PNAC -For those who still don't know about Shrub's plan for endless war!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

I read Rebuilding America's Defenses back in 2002 and knew without a doubt that Shrub was going to invade Iraq and then onward to Iran and Syria.
This is an Excellent Summary!

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" – A Summary
Blueprint of the PNAC Plan for U.S. Global Hegemony

Some people have compared it to Hitler's publication of Mein Kampf, which was ignored
until after the war was over.

Full text of Rebuilding America's Defenses here
www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Compiled by Bette Stockbauer

05/06/03: When the Bush administration started lobbying for war with Iraq, they used as rationale a definition of preemption (generally meaning anticipatory use of force in the face of an imminent attack) that was broadened to allow for the waging of a preventive war in which force may be used even without evidence of an imminent attack. They also were able to convince much of the American public that Saddam Hussein had something to do with the attacks of 9/11, despite the fact that no evidence of a link has been uncovered. Consequently, many people supported the war on the basis of 1) a policy that has no legal basis in international law and 2) a totally unfounded claim of Iraqi guilt.

What most people do not know, however, is that certain high ranking officials in the Bush administration have been working for regime change in Iraq for the past decade, long before terrorism became an important issue for our country. In 1997 they formed an organization called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). They have sought the establishment of a much stronger U.S. presence throughout the Mideast and Iraq's Saddam Hussein has been their number one target for regime change. Members of this group drafted and successfully passed through Congress the Iraqi Liberation Act, giving legal sanctions for an invasion of the country, and funneled millions of taxpayer dollars to Hussein opposition groups called the Iraqi National Congress and The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

The PNAC philosophy was formed in response to the ending of Cold War hostilities with Russia and the emergence of America as the world's only preeminent superpower. Claiming that this is a "strategic moment" that should not be squandered, members of PNAC say that America should use its position to advance its power and interests into all areas of the globe. They believe the time is ripe for establishing democracies in regimes considered hostile to U.S. interests and are not hesitant to advise the use of military means to achieve those ends.

PNAC members on the Bush team include Vice-President Dick Cheney and his top national security assistant, I. Lewis Libby; Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld; Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz; National Security Council member Eliot Abrams; Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton; and former Chairman of the Defense Policy Board, Richard Perle. Other PNAC members exerting influence on U.S. policy are the President of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq Randy Scheunemann, Republican Party leader Bruce Jackson and current PNAC chairman William Kristol, conservative writer for the Weekly Standard. Jeb Bush, the president's brother and governor of Florida, is also a member.

Their campaign to overthrow Hussein was unsuccessful during the Clinton presidency and early days of Bush's term, but on 9/11 they found the event they needed to push for the overthrow of Hussein. Within 24 hours both Wolfowitz and Cheney were calling for an invasion of Iraq, even before anyone knew who had been responsible for the attacks.

Individuals who now belong to PNAC have been influencing White House policy since the Reagan era, calling for coups in Central America and claiming that a nuclear war with Russia could be "winnable." Richard Perle is one of their most prominent spokesmen. He and Michael Ledeen (of the American Enterprise Institute), who is currently lobbying for war with Syria and Iran, have adopted a stance that they call "total war" — the ability to wage multiple simultaneous wars around the globe to achieve American ends. Recently Perle commented on America's war on terrorism: "No stages," he said, "This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq . . . this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war . . . our children will sing great songs about us years from now."

Members of PNAC are so self-assured they are advancing America's best interests that they publish policy papers specifically outlining their plans, plans that many fear may be laying the groundwork for a third world war. Their ideas are peculiarly atavistic, considering the friendly ties that have been forged between most of the major nations during the past ten years.

Their central policy document is entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses (RAD)," published on their website at http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf. It outlines a plan for American hegemony in the coming years, pinpointing "problem areas" of the world and suggesting regime change of unfavorable governments so that eventually the whole world will be unified under the banner of American democracy.

Already we are seeing evidence of PNAC influence on U.S. policy. For instance, the concept of "Homeland Defense" comes straight from "RAD." Iran, Iraq and North Korea, nations that George Bush calls the "Axis of Evil", are listed together in "RAD" several times as possible military threats to the U.S. There is a suggestion that military spending be increased to 3.8 percent of the GDP, exactly the amount (over and above present expenses for the Iraqi campaign) Bush has proposed for next year's budget. Its basic statement of policy bespeaks and advocates the very essence of the idea of preemptive engagement.

Bush's National Security Strategy of September 20, 2002, adopted PNAC ideas and emphasized a broadened definition of preemption. Since we are already hearing accusations against regimes in Iran and Syria, will they be slated next for invasion?

The document is written with all of the single-mindedness, unilateralism and inattention to international ramifications (with either friend or foe) that the Bush administration displayed in its current build-up for war with Iraq. There is even assertion of the necessity of American political leadership overriding that of the U.N. (p. 11), a policy that was sadly played out when the U.S. invaded Iraq without the approval of either the U.N. or the international community.

Continued here
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3249.htm

[liberal N proud]

1. Everyone could use a refresher on the PNAC

They are still out there and still strong

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

4. And that is why I know that by hook or by crook, Shrub is going to find some way to attack Iran.

This madness has to stop!

[Philosoraptor]

2. Thanks for this reminder. Most Americans are unaware of it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

3. And I feel that there must be many new DUers who aren't aware either. Once this is read

the agenda of this sociopath administration is crystal clear.

Your welcome!

[Frank Cannon]

5. I've never, ever heard PNAC mentioned in the national media

Other than on Air America radio. Not once have I heard Tim or Katie or Matt or ANYONE EVER breath a word of it. Not even once have I seen that acronym in a major newspaper.

Which strikes me as really odd.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. Every now and again a politician will let it slip on talking head shows but never

expound upon it. I believe Kerry did in 2004.

And no, MSM keeps away from it like a hot potato as they also let the DSM slip into the black hole of media control.

I don't have a link for it, but prior to the war Rep. Ron Paul, a Republican Congressman from Texas gave a great floor speech about it.

[schmuls]

17. Yeah, and you won't hear it because the media talking heads are

a bunch of paid sluts!!!

[LibDemAlways]

38. One morning on c-span a caller asked

Maxine Waters to expound on it for the benefit of the viewers. She claimed she never heard of it.

I have a friend who works for a production company that develops programming for the History Channel. He considers himself an independent. I explained the basics of PNAC to him and suggested he research it further. Mentioned that it would make for a hell of a documentary topic and offered to e-mail him the link to the PNAC website.

He acted as though I'd offered to send him a link to state secrets that could get him imprisoned. Said his bosses would never go for it and asked me to please drop the subject. Very interesting and revealing response.

[bobthedrummer]

41. Yet it was discussed freely on BBC World Service Radio 2-3 years ago

in the context of Rumsfeld's DoD and the Revolution in Military Affairs.

[LSK]

50. Colbert mentioned it

He asked Bill Kristol a few months ago "hows that whole PNAC thing working for you?"

[wildbilln864]

51. Yes, now I remember seeing that.

I'd really love to see 60 minutes or some other show on free network tv do a whole show about it and go in depth. I know! It won't happen! But I keep hoping someone will. :shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

68. I have....

General Wesley Clark, the late entry into the race for the Democratic nomination for president, is making what critics called a “bizarre,” “crackpot” attack on a small Washington policy organization and on a citizens group that helped America win the Cold War.

In a Tuesday interview with Joshua Micah Marshall posted yesterday on the Web site talkingpointsmemo.com, General Clark gave his evaluation of the Clinton presidency. He said that the Clinton administration,“in an odd replay of the Carter administration, found itself chained to the Iraqi policy — promoted by the Project for a New American Century— much the same way that in the Carter administration some of the same people formed the Committee on the Present Danger which cut out from the Carter administration the ability to move forward on SALT II.”
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2003/10/02&ID=Ar00100

Wesley Clark's Conspiracy Theory
The general tells Wolf Blitzer about the neoconservative master plan.
by Matthew Continetti
12/01/2003 2:00:00 PM

Yesterday on CNN's "Late Edition," for example, Clark said--not for the first time--that the Bush administration's war plans extend far beyond Iraq.

"I do know this," Clark told Wolf Blitzer. "In the gossip circles in Washington, among the neoconservative press, and in some of the statements that Secretary Rumsfeld and Secretary Wolfowitz have made, there is an inclination to extend this into Syria and maybe Lebanon." What's more, Clark added, "the administration's never disavowed this intent."

Clark has made his charge a central plank of his presidential campaign. Clark writes in his book, "Winning Modern Wars," that in November 2001, during a visit to the Pentagon, he spoke with "a man with three stars who used to work for me," who told him a "five-year plan" existed for military action against not only Afghanistan and Iraq, but also "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, and Sudan." Clark has embellished this story on the campaign trail, going so far as to say, "There's a list of countries."

Clark's proof? None. He never saw the list. But, the general recently told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, "You only have to listen to the gossip around Washington and to hear what the neoconservatives are saying, and you will get the flavor of this."

You probably get the flavor of what Wesley Clark is saying, too. It tastes, as THE SCRAPBOOK pointed out three weeks ago, like baloney. And sometimes, as in the case of yesterday's interview with Blitzer, it tastes like three-week-old baloney.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/445cqeal.asp

Bush used 9/11 as a pretext to implement Iraq invasion plan
Clark told me how he learned of a secret war scheme within the Bush Administration, of which Iraq was just one piece. Shortly after 9/11, Clark visited the Pentagon, where a 3-star general confided that Rumsfeld's team planned to use the 9/11 attacks as a pretext for going to war against Iraq. Clark said, "Rather than searching for a solution to a problem, they had the solution, and their difficulty was to make it appear as though it were in response to the problem." Clark was told that the Bush team, unable or unwilling to fight the actual terrorists responsible for 9/11, had devised a 5-year plan to topple the regimes in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Iran, and Sudan.

Clark's central contention-that Bush used 9/11 as a pretext to attack Saddam-has been part of the public debate since well before the Iraq war. It is rooted in the advocacy of the Project for the New American Century, a neo-conservative think tank that had been openly arguing for regime change in Iraq since 1998.
Source: The New Yorker magazine, "Gen. Clark's Battles" Nov 17, 2003

Gen. Wes Clark layed out the PNAC mentality in a long article.

Here's some excerpts from Clark's article, "Broken Engagement"

During 2002 and early 2003, Bush administration officials put forth a shifting series of arguments for why we needed to invade Iraq. Nearly every one of these has been belied by subsequent events.
snip
Advocates of the invasion are now down to their last argument: that transforming Iraq from brutal tyranny to stable democracy will spark a wave of democratic reform throughout the Middle East, thereby alleviating the conditions that give rise to terrorism. This argument is still standing because not enough time has elapsed to test it definitively--though events in the year since Baghdad's fall do not inspire confidence.
snip
Just as they counseled President Bush to take on the tyrannies of the Middle East, so the neoconservatives in the 1980s and early 1990s advised Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush to confront the Soviet Union and more aggressively deploy America's military might to challenge the enemy.....
snip
As has been well documented, even before September 11, going after Saddam had become a central issue for them. Their "Project for a New American Century" seemed intent on doing to President Clinton what the Committee on the Present Danger had done to President Carter: push the president to take a more aggressive stand against an enemy, while at the same time painting him as weak.
snip
September 11 gave the neoconservatives the opportunity to mobilize against Iraq, and to wrap the mobilization up in the same moral imperatives which they believed had achieved success against the Soviet Union. Many of them made the comparison direct, in speeches and essays explicitly and approvingly compared the Bush administration's stance towards terrorists and rogue regimes to the Reagan administration's posture towards the Soviet Union.

And the neoconservative goal was more ambitious than merely toppling dictators: By creating a democracy in Iraq, our success would, in the president's words, "send forth the news from Damascus to Tehran--that freedom can be the future of every nation," and Iraq's democracy would serve as a beacon that would ignite liberation movements and a "forward strategy of freedom" around the Middle East.

This rhetoric is undeniably inspiring. We should have pride in our history, confidence in our principles, and take security in the knowledge that we are at the epicenter of a 228-year revolution in the transformation of political systems. But recognizing the power of our values also means understanding their meaning. Freedom and dignity spring from within the human heart. They are not imposed. And inside the human heart is where the impetus for political change must be generated.

The neoconservative rhetoric glosses over this truth and much else. Even aside from the administration's obvious preference for confronting terrorism's alleged host states rather than the terrorists themselves, it was a huge leap to believe that establishing democracies by force of Western arms in old Soviet surrogate states like Syria and Iraq would really affect a terrorist movement drawing support from anti-Western sentiment in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and elsewhere.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0405.clark.html

Apparently for the neoconservative civilians who are running the Iraq campaign, 9-11 was that catalyzing event—for they are now operating at full speed toward multiple, simultaneous wars. The PNAC documents can be found online at newamericancentury.org.

his new book, Winning Modern Wars, retired general Wesley Clarkcandidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, offered a window into the Bush serial-war planning. He writes that serious planning for the Iraq war had already begun only two months after the 9-11 attack, and adds:

I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan. . . . I left the Pentagon that afternoon deeply concerned."

A five-year military campaign. Seven countries. How far has the White House taken this plan? And how long can the president keep the nation in the dark, emerging from his White House cocoon only to speak to us in slogans and the sterile language of pep rallies?
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0342,schanberg,47830,1.html

Was David Brooks “careful not to say that Bush or neocon critics are anti-Semitic?” David Brooks was careful, all right. You can see how “careful” he was in the passage which slimed Wesley Clark:

BROOKS: The full-mooners fixated on a think tank called the Project for the New American Century, which has a staff of five and issues memos on foreign policy. To hear these people describe it, PNAC is sort of a Yiddish Trilateral Commission, the nexus of the sprawling neocon tentacles.
We’d sit around the magazine guffawing at the ludicrous stories that kept sprouting, but belief in shadowy neocon influence has now hardened into common knowledge. Wesley Clark, among others, cannot go a week without bringing it up.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh010904.shtml

There are many legitimate reasons to criticize the foreign and defense policies of the Bush administration, but Winning Modern Wars would have us believe that the president dangerously derailed the nation’s security policy and diverted resources from the war on terrorism to the dead-end enterprise in Iraq. He blames Bush for everything he believes has gone wrong, and gives him no credit for anything that has gone right, including major steps toward transforming the US military from a Cold War force to one more suited to the current and likely future security environment.

In Clark’s world, vulnerability to terrorism is all George Bush’s fault. Of course, Bush had only been in office for eight months when Al Qaida struck on 9/11. The threat had been incubating during the Clinton years, but that administration had done little or nothing to address it. The most Clark can say about the Clinton administration’s inattention to the emerging terrorist threat is that "in retrospect, it clear that he could have done more."

Clark is a member in good standing of the "Bush lied" school - an outlook based on the claim that the president and his advisers had intended to invade Iraq from the very beginning, and knowingly deceived Congress and the American people in order to drag them into this unnecessary war. As evidence for this, he cites a 1998 letter from an organization called the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) calling on president Clinton to remove Saddam from power. Those who signed the letter included Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/owens/04/clark.html

EXCERPTS FROM HARDBALL INTERVIEW 12/17/04

CLARK: ...I think, you know, a guy like Bill Kristol, what he sees is that Secretary Rumsfeld‘s plan is not unfolding the way that the neocons thought it should unfold in the Middle East. This was supposed to be like a scaffold. You know, you just go in there and carve out Saddam Hussein, boom, the people are liberated. And they‘re all democratic. And then the Syrians jump on board and say, hey, by golly, come and save us too. And then the Iranians and the Lebanese.

It hasn‘t worked that way, because what the neocons didn‘t understand is, that you don‘t get the kind of Democratic reform you want in the Middle East at the barrel of a gun. And they‘re holding Rumsfeld responsible for that. But really, it‘s a flawed conception.

MATTHEWS: That‘s interesting. You‘re the first person I‘ve heard say that, general. Because a lot of people look at it much more narrowly and they say the reason we‘re getting criticism of the general is there aren‘t enough troops there. He said he had enough troops, when really in reality, it was the conception that justified the low troop level. Is that your point? That you did not need a lot of troops, because you weren‘t going to face much of an insurgency.

CLARK: .....One is the point of the neocons, which is not military at all. It is the point of the operation and the fact that you could sort of go in there and lance the boil of Saddam Hussein, get him out of there and everything would turn out OK. And it hasn‘t.
http://securingamerica.com/node/60

Wes Clark really is the man for the job to clean up the shitstorm we are now facing. He knows where all of the bodies are buried. Only Nixon could go to China....and so, it goes!

[Octafish]

7. KR4&B

These PNAC turds are mere pawns for the current generation's heirs to the military-industrial complex.

Fahrenheit 911 Just Scratches the Surface and Misses Target

by R. G. Price - July 21, 2004

Michael Moore's new film, Fahrenheit 911, makes some interesting points, however it passes up many opportunities at more solid criticism and misses its target at pointing out some major problems of the Bush administration.

For many people this movie will serve as an "eye opener". It is important that this eye opener be followed up with deeper investigation. Regardless of the validity of some of Moore's claims, accurate or not, the movie has paved the way to broader public inspection of the Bush administration.

Having said that, I'd like to disuses a few facts that are related to Fahrenheit 911, but fail to be presented in the film.

* The influence of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) on the Bush administration
* The Bush family involvement in the Savings and Loan scandal and other questionable business dealings
* More relevant examples of the use of fear in the media and FOX in particular
* The reason why George Bush was on vacation so much in the first place

EXCERPT...

Kristol founded the PNAC in 1997 and the organization quickly set about putting together a program for America's future… America's future president.

The PNAC list of associates reads like a who's who of the powerful wealthy American Right.

All told, sixteen members of George Bush's cabinet are members or associates of the PNAC, and these are not just any cabinet members, but in fact some of the most influential members. The members of the Bush cabinet who are associated with the PNAC are as follows:

Dick Cheney: a PNAC founding member - Vice President
Donald Rumsfeld: a PNAC founding member - Secretary of Defense
Paul Wolfowitz: a PNAC founding member - Deputy Secretary of Defense
I. Lewis Libby: a PNAC founding member - chief of staff for Cheney
Elliott Abrams: NSC representative for Middle Eastern Affairs, president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center
Richard Armitage: Deputy Secretary of State
John Bolton: Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security Affairs
Seth Cropsey: Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau (Voice of America)
Paula Dobriansky: Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs
Francis Fukuyama: Johns Hopkins University, appointed to the President's Council on Bioethics
Bruce Jackson: president of U.S. Committee on NATO
Zalmay Khalilzad: U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan
Peter W. Rodman: Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security
Randy Scheunemann: Iraq advisor to Rumsfeld
Dov S. Zakheim: Comptroller of the Defense Department
Robert B. Zoellick: U.S. Trade Representative

Other high profile members of the PNAC:

Jeb Bush: Governor of Florida
Steve Forbes: multi-billionare publisher of Forbes Magazine, former presidential candidate
Gary Bauer: former presidential candidate, president of American Values
Richard Perle: a PNAC founder, formerly of the Defense Policy Board
Dan Quayle: former vice-president
William J. Bennett: former Secretary of Education and Drug Czar, co-founder of Empower America, author of the Book of Virtues
Ellen Bork: deputy director of PNAC
Rudy Boschwitz
Eliot A. Cohen: professor of strategic studies at Johns Hopkins University
Thomas Donnelly: director of communications, Lockheed Martin
Aaron Friedberg: director of the Center of International Studies
Frank Gaffney: columnist, founder of Center for Security Policy
Reuel Marc Gerecht: director of the Middle East Initiative
Fred Ikle: Center for Strategic and International Studies
Donald Kagan: Yale University professor, conservative columnist with various State Department ties
Jeane Kirkpatrick: former U.S. ambassador
Charles Krauthammer
Christopher Maletz
Daniel McKivergan
Norman Podhoretz: Hudson Institute
Stephen Rosen: Beton Michael Kaneb Professor of National Security and Military Affairs, Harvard University
Henry Rowen: former president of Rand Corporation
Gary Schmitt
Vin Weber: former congressman, lobbyist, vice-chairman of Empower America
George Weigel: political commentator
R. James Woolsey: vice-president at Booz Allen & Hamilton

Okay, so these people are obviously associated with the PNAC, so what?

The Bush administration clearly came into office with the intention of implementing strategies developed by the PNAC - well... the Bush cabinet essentially is the PNAC. These are people who were all working together as a team for at least three years prior to their entrance into the White House.

What exactly were the plans of the PNAC that they developed prior to Bush's entry into office? The segments below are direct extracts from the PNAC report, Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century.

CONTINUED...

http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/fahrenheit_911_just_scratches_th.htm

And if they're pawns, what do you think it makes us serfs? Poppy is alleged to have called us "fodder units."

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. Thank you Octafish for this valuable contribution to this thread! Kissenger called the military

dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns. Evil minds think alike.

And Octafish! :hi:

[Agony]

62. The new PNAC is called FDD...

Using the list of PNACer's in your linked article look at the crossovers I have included below and tell me if you don't think that the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies isn't a new version of the PNAC?

Dr. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
Steve Forbes
R. James Woolsey
Gary Bauer
Bill Kristol
Frank Gaffney
Richard Perle
Charles Krauthammer

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm

I would like to know others opinions about the FDD. It is disturbing to see some of the other members of this organization, including my Senator. Oh and a former campaign manager for Gore...

Agony

[bananarepublican]

64. "Poppy is alleged to have called us 'fodder units'". Wow!!! But not really surprised. n/t

[screembloodymurder]

9. Interesting quotes.

"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."

"The break-point will come when a preponderance of new weapons systems begins to enter service, perhaps when, for example, unmanned aerial vehicles begin to be as numerous as manned aircraft."

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. And they did how conveniently get their "new Pearl Harbor"...with perfect timing

and yes, the unmanned aerial vehicles.

The thing is that these criminals will state their plans in plain sight. That is how arrogant they are.

Remember when Shrub said we would be creating chaos out of order in Iraq? People thought it was a Bushism...it wasn't.

[screembloodymurder]

10. This is also an excellent summary.

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. Thank you! I haven't seen this summary before. I'm going to read it now. :)

[pwb]

11. they turned our defense dept. into the offence dept.

[Stephanie]

13. More info here - DU's venerable PNAC Links Archive >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=110&topic_id=80c

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

15. Great Stephanie! I forgot about this! This is an excellent resource. As possible war

looms with Iran it is so important that people realize that they will be "had" as they had been "had" concerning the lies that led us to war with Iraq.

[pberq]

16. Thank you for posting this

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

29. Your welcome! nt

[Sweet Freedom]

18. I always have to do a double-take

on the section about space control. Space control!? Say that out loud to someone and see if you don't get some "yeah, right" looks!

[Stephanie]

19. Which is why they didn't sign the int'l agreement against weaponizing space

And so China went ahead and did it, shot down that satellite a few weeks ago. Way to go, Bushites! Another brilliant strategery.

[Sweet Freedom]

21. Ah! I wondered about that!

Thanks for the reply. I was wondering what happened!

[bobthedrummer]

23. If I were a gambling man, Stephanie, like the PNAC crew is and full spectrum dominance

was the stake, I'd wager that many of those military space missions during the Reagan administration (including Shuttle missions) put a lot of "exotic" weapons into space which the extreme RW Holy Warriors have been doing for decades as they exploited and advanced the "imported" NAZI systems as well as nuclear.

A couple of weeks ago Peru launched it's first space mission, and with espionage so rampant who knows what all is up there in the heavens?

Consider the following datadump in the context of military superiority or "full spectrum dominance" ideology that PNAC, their RW allies and their precursor RW extremists have labored for since the end of WWII. What President Eisenhower warned about-the military industrial complex=what is here, now as the BFEE.

HR2977's text on "exotic" weapons was gone in its revision HR3616
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

Air Force Arms Lab Reports (Front Matter)
http://thememoryhole.com/mil/afatl/

Secretary Rumsfeld Speaks On 21st Century Transformation Of U.S. Armed Forces 1-31-02
http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/2002/s20020131-secdef.html

Airpower Doctrine Into The 21st Century
http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/apty/apyAbib.htm

DEW Acronyms
http://www.nps.edu/Library/Research/Bibliographies/DEWs/DEWbibAcronyms.html

A DEW leader
http://www.ionatron.com/

"Raptors, Robots, and Rods from God: The Nightmare Weaponry of Our Future"
by Frida Berrigan
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0110-22.htm

Consider the spread of the Holy Warriors, RW extremist fundamentalist ideology-a "programmed" belief system of pragmatic evil, a culture of death appearing as good--examples of the influence of Lt. Col. Michael Aquino et al in US military now calling themselves Crusaders, like death squad veteran General Boykin and, since we are talking about space (which also had the influence of real NAZIS in US), Simon P. Worden (Office of Strategic Influence, planetary defense leader now head of NASA Ames Research)-that's my take on some of this.

"Ten Things I Learned From The Pentagon's Prayer Team"
by Jeff Sharlet
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46262/

"America's Holy Warriors"
by Chris Hedges
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0103-59.htm

Woe.

on edit: fair use cited for all links

[bobthedrummer]

25. Another reliable source of some aspects of full spectrum dominance

(as well as the historic statements of people like Richard Perle-who John Pilger thought was insane, at first, when Perle talked of "total war" back in the Reagan era when Perle was an "advisor")
is this lengthy (because it's well researched and documented) report from Project Censored's Peter Phillips, Lew Brown and Bridget Thornton

"Influencing Human Cognition:US Electromagnetic Weapons and Human Rights"
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=PHI20070109&articleId=4396

fair use cited

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. Yes, the US Space Forces to control Space and Cyberspace. See below

Page 12 from Rebuilding America's Defenses
CONTROL THE NEW “INTERNATIONAL COMMONS” OF SPACE AND “CYBERSPACE,” and pave
the way for the creation of a new military service – U.S. Space Forces – with the mission of
space control.

I used to post on an AOL message board and would post about PNAC all the time, and the Bushbots even thought that part was a bit out of whack.

[Avalux]

20. It's essential to note that the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) = PNAC -

and on their website, we find a "plan" for Iraq, penned by Fred Kagan - the very same plan Bush is following now. Please read if you haven't already:

Choosing Victory: A Plan for Success in Iraq
By Frederick W. Kagan
January 5, 2007

Victory is still an option in Iraq. America, a country of 300 million people with a GDP of $12 trillion and more than 1 million soldiers and Marines, has the resources to stabilize Iraq, a state the size of California with a population of 25 million and a GDP under $100 billion. America must use its resources skillfully and decisively to help build a successful democratically elected, sovereign government in Iraq.

Victory in Iraq is vital to America’s security. Defeat will likely lead to regional conflict, humanitarian catastrophe, and increased global terrorism.

Iraq has reached a critical point. The strategy of relying on a political process to eliminate the insurgency has failed. Rising sectarian violence threatens to break America’s will to fight. This violence will destroy the Iraqi government, armed forces, and people if it is not rapidly controlled.

Victory in Iraq is still possible at an acceptable level of effort. We must adopt a new approach to the war and implement it quickly and decisively.

--more--

http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.25396/pub_detail.asp

[paparush]

24. Don't forget their "galvanizing, Pearl Harbor like event"

Which the PNAC KNEW they would have to have for their insantiy to have any chance of seeing the light of day.

And whatdya know...like it was scripted or something, we got a galvanizing, Pearl Harbor like event, that allowed Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz, et al, a window of opportunity to establish an authoritative death grip on this country and the world.

[skypilot]

27. That one thing ALONE...

...should be enough to convince people of the kind of psychos these guys are. Think about it. Why would anyone talk about a Pearl Harbor type of event in terms of how it could be USED to further their foreign policy agenda? You'd think that talk of such an event would focus on how to prevent it or minimize its impact. It's really no different from someone planning their life goals around the death of their parents: "I really want to pay off my student loans, buy a house and a car, etc. but that could take years. But hey, if my parents up and died I could inherit their money and that would speed up the whole process."

That is in effect the kind of sick shit they are proposing with their Pearl Harbor type attack scenario. Just replace the "parents" with US citizens.

[wildbilln864]

26. Here's a good...

educational link about PNAC.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

30. Thank you! :)

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

28. K&R!

:hi:

[conscious evolution]

31. Kicking and recommending

Everyone needs to know about mien kaumpf II.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

32. Shameless kick. nt

[bobthedrummer]

33. kick

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. Thank you for the kick and knowing how important it is to keep this thread alive!

:hi:

[Zorra]

35. Kick - Everyone on the planet needs to be aware of these fascist

vampires.

They are conscienceless sociopaths that wish to reshape the World Order in order that they may kill, destroy, plunder, and control others with impunity.

[bobthedrummer]

36. Regression analysis using Richard V. Allen as an example of what BFEE's HOMELAND (tm)

is about takes US to the corruption of nations, central banks, and religions-to people like Robert L. Vesco and Howard Hughes. To crimes that cannot be hidden behind national security classifications any longer, and to the insolvency, by design, of OUR corrupted government by people like Richard V. Allen et al.

Let US start with the profile of Richard V. Allen from GWU's Homeland page (and I do mean US, this needs to be a collaborative effort)
http://www.homeland.gwu.edu/steering/r_allen_bio.htm

Now compare that to this Richard V. Allen profile from Rightweb-irc-online.org
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1004

Based upon Mr. Allen's career and the many prominent associations, skillsets, political affiliations etc. mentioned in those two profiles takes US to the introduction of the 1992 report on BCCI.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/02intro.htm

Then we can examine parts of what has become known as The Kerry Report
"Drugs, Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy"
http://www.thememoryhole.org/kerry/kerry1-21-40.htm

Someone else can do much better with this small contribution to an important thread.

Consider this a KICK as well as a request to take some time, read the links provided and contribute to what we, the people are aware of.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. Isn't it incredible bobthedrummer how Allen's GWU profile seems to be about a

pillar of society, and when you get to the right-web link, you can see he's a common criminal. I will read about BCCI a bit later.

And thank you for kicking!

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

39. It's as remarkable as Nobel Peace Prize war criminal Henry Kissinger et al.

n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. I love how these criminals reinvent themselves. Great video online about

Kissinger

The Trials of Henry Kissinger
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6623.htm

just a few reinvented criminals... John Negraponte, Robert Gates, Richard Nixon, Adm. Poindexter, Elliot Abrams....

[Karenina]

43. Kick!

:kick:

[wildbilln864]

42. must kick!

to expose the new Pearl Harbor event!
:hi:

[wildbilln864]

44. Kick!

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

45. kick

[wildbilln864]

46. And yet another kick!

Wake the hell up America! :wtf:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. Kick!

[wildbilln864]

48. I said...

kick damn it!
:hi:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. ...................

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

53. Hello there Ommm.

:yourock:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

55. wildbilln864

:yourock: too!!! :hi:

[wildbilln864]

56. and here'ss a kick...

fir ya!
:hi:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

58. and now a gentle tap for you!

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

54. ...

[Cleita]

49. It's a good comparison to "Mein Kampf", which was the

blueprint for Hitler's atrocities, just as "Rebuilding Americas Defenses" is for Bush's atrocities. Both documents, however, reflect the lack of clear thinking that has gone into those two very flawed tomes.

[bobthedrummer]

57. kick

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

59. .............

:kick: :hi:

[converted_democrat]

60. I tried to give it a K&R, but it's past the 24 hour mark, so all I can do is

kick it..


on edit- Thank you for putting this together.. Thanks for the hard work..

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

61. Thanks for the kick! The article that I used with the links is from

a great source, informationclearinghouse.info. Then there are the other posters that added exceptionally valuable information.

Please pass as much of it forward as you can.

I wish someone would create a full length video about it.

[magellan]

63. Kick, a link, and a question

I just found a discussion about PNAC on another forum. I'm not familiar with the forum or the person writing there, but there's a lot of very detailed info about PNAC:

A lot of people know about PNAC, but very few people have taken a hard look at its origins. PNAC was a spin off from the American Enterprise Institute, and 100% of the members are Zionists. People have also gotten confused between the actual authors and people who just signed their letters. Rumsfeld for example is not part of the special in-group as its chairman William Kristol revealed, ironically on the Colbert report. PNAC was co-authored by the same people who have been caught lying about the Iraq War's pre-invasion intelligence. We are talking about only around 28 people who helped fabricate evidence and pass it off to the president and journalists (and in some cases fake journalists like Gannon). PNAC's ideas and statements stem from Israeli policy papers. And PNAC's papers are comprised by Israeli citizens who are connected to every major Zionists group on earth.

In fact, PNAC's papers were written by the very same people who wrote Israeli policy papers and hold dual citizenship with Israel. The war in Iraq and control over energy resources ect is all lined out in Israel's A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" which was written by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith. That is just one of many papers this little blood for money cabal cranked out. The IASPS (Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Science) also wrote a paper called the Afghan Vortex a year before the invasion. Note also that the US had ships already in place set to invade before 911.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388

Does anyone else find it odd that so many PNACers -- the people driving our foreign policy -- seem to be dual American/Israeli citizens? Or am I not allowed to ask that question and is that how they get away with so much...the fear of being labeled anti-Semitic keeps people from discussing PNAC?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

65. I actually posted A Clean Break yesterday on a thread about Douglas Feith.

Feith and Perle were contributors to that paper, which was a short PNAC version for Israel.

I do want to add that I believe that the policy is being driven in tandem with some forces in Israel but I don't believe that is the reason why PNAC is not discussed. I think people just don't know about it.

What I find disturbing is the perpetrated myth that if one is Jewish, they have dual citizenship with Israel. I would think it would have to be applied for? I'm a Jew and am only a citizen of the US. Rense has mixed the lines between anti-Zionist and anti-Semitic and I find that he and some others are giving a rise to anti-Semitism in the US. Most Jews that I know are Liberal Democrats, and by percent, Jews were more against going to war than many other ethnic groups.

[magellan]

66. Well, I guess that answers my question

I have no idea where your paragraph starting with this came from: "What I find disturbing is the perpetrated myth that if one is Jewish, they have dual citizenship with Israel." I was asking about a specific group of people who are PNACers and why no one talks about PNAC. How that got broadened into a general assault against every American who's Jewish is, I suppose, an answer to my question.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

67. I have never seen these sites offer proof of their dual citizenship. Seriously. Have you? If you

have, please let me know.

[magellan]

75. Proof? You mean like copies of their passports?

Come on. I ran across this information and it piqued my curiosity. I haven't found anything refuting the claim that they're dual US/Israeli nationals either, now that I've looked.

Whether they are or not isn't really as significant as the fact that the core group of PNAC -- the ones writing our foreign policy of pre-emptive war and global hegemony -- also wrote Israeli strategic policy papers following the same line of thought, and/or share similar hardline views about how Israel and the US should conduct their foreign affairs. And I'd suggest that one reason so few have heard about PNAC is fear of being labeled anti-Semitic for shining a deserved spotlight on them.

[PhilipShore]

76. The irony of all this is that Albert Einstein is a Pacifist....

he created the Atomic Bomb in which the Military-Industrial-Complex/PNAC militant war mongers ---- created to control the politics of the day. And the PNAC ---hires a few Jews with military backgrounds to sell military products. The PNAC Jews are salesmen, for the MIC.


Einstein, was a brilliant person, they even I think wanted to make him President or whatever its called of Israel. Those weapons salesmen in the PNAC would never even have their jobs ---- if it was not for a pacifist Jew called Albert Einstein.

[magellan]

77. Precisely

I saw a show on FSTV today about the MIC that reconfirmed how important Israel is to us. Weapons sales. I had heard it before many times, but it brought home the alignment within our government. Poor Einstein, he was appalled by the beast he'd set loose but of course you don't listen to pacifists when there's vast sums of money to be made through war profiteering.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

82. I certainly hope that it isn't the reason why the truth hasn't come out but honestly

I think if anything it might be secondary or tertiary. I think primarily it is MSM's corporate interest to keep it a secret. Look at GE. They are one of the largest war profiteers in our country. I also think, knowing how insane these people are, that there are also those in media that are being paid off, being blackmailed and or being threatened (blast into the past..anthrax).

[magellan]

83. Yes, definitely

I don't think it's the main reason. There's a lot of cover-up going on and I think it's just one more thing that plays into their hands to keep them out of the public eye. The main things are intimidation and control of the media. But remember just a couple of years ago when we knew about the neocons, most everyone else considered them another "leftist conspiracy theory" if they had heard about them at all. Now the media does accept there's a neoconservative wing of the Republican party. (Of course it's actually cross-party but more Republican.) But PNAC -- or whatever they're calling themselves now -- is the source. And it's threads like these that help to spread the word on what they're about, so thank you. :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

84. magellan

My pleasure! :hi:

[PhilipShore]

69. The PNAC and the Military-Industrial-Complex are not discussed because...

it has its roots in development of the Atomic Bomb. Most ordinary ---- Americans just put their heads in the sand, and have refused to even discuss the issue.

As a pacifist, I cannot figure it out --- why, the dangers of Nukes, etc., in the hands of PNAC types is so politically incorrect to discuss.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

70. Maybe for some of us baby boomers it's because we had to duck and cover in nuke drills growing up?

Honestly though, Corporate owned media doesn't want America to know about PNAC. They are making a fortune off of it.

I used to debate people on an AOL message board about the impending Iraq war, and would write about PNAC. When read by someone who for the most part trusts that the government has our good intentions in mind, it can appear at times, not quite benign, but not horrific either. I would thsn point out that it was an Imperialistic manifesto written by disciples of Leo Strauss, who loved Hitler, until Hitler turned on the Jews. Strauss was a Jew and he wound up fleeing to the US, only to pollute young impressionable minds at the University of Chicago.

These people, IMHO are quite insane and although I don't live in fear normally, am beginning to be quite afraid. If this sociopath govt is going to attack Iran, I feel the rest of the world, quite justifiably will want to "contain" us.

I am a pacifist too and this leaves me totally chilled to the bone.

[wildbilln864]

71. me too....

I now fear for the future of my grandchildren! This country is going down the wrong path full steam ahead and no one with real authority is doing shit about it! :wtf:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

80. I have two teenage sons and I think that's where most of my fear extend to - their future.

My oldest son is now talking about moving to Ireland, where his girlfriend has family.

As to anyone with authority to do something about it? When you have a good part of the Democratic legislators (DLC) getting paid by many of the same interests that the Republicans have, we have a situation of opposames. Appearing to be different but working together behind the scenes. Our government for the most part is corrupt to the core and I think we are well passed the point of no return. This just didn't happen with Shrub. The wheels were put into motion well before we were born.

[PhilipShore]

74. Why be afraid?

The International community will more then likely --- create or use diplomatic, and rule of law means to stop the war mongers. All they have to do is send them to the International Criminal court for trial, and the wars will end.

The world community will not try and use military force --- to stop the Repukes because, the US has a bigger bomb.

If all the sudden we got no more oil from the Saudis --- and people could not heat their homes, drive cars, etc. --- Bush would be impeached --- in the USA in a New York minute. The world community knows all this.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

81. From your fingers to the Universe's eyes! eom

[sam sarrha]

72. we will have endless Religious war if we attack Iran..

[dogday]

73. It's the only thing he has not lied about, the amount

of time that we will be at war is endless..

[newsdude]

78. National Public Radio programming has been sponsored by

PNAC and the American Enterprise Institude for quite awhile, I believe.

Especially the Dianne Rheim show.

I often heard the "project for a new american century" title and never knew what it meant until shortly after 9-11

[wildbilln864]

79. kick...

4 xpo zure!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

87. .............

:kick:

[Dracos]

85. Thanks for the info

I will pass this along to as many people that will listen.This must be exposed.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. Thank you! eom

[Doondoo]

88. bump

[bobthedrummer]

89. kick