Kucinich Measure Would Bar Targeted Killings of US Citizens

[G_j]

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/8/6/headlines#13

Kucinich Measure Would Bar Targeted Killings of US Citizens

Democratic Congressmember Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has introduced a measure that would bar the targeted killings of US citizens. In a statement, Kucinich said, "It was unacceptable when detainees at Guantánamo were held without due process, especially since many were later exonerated. It is unimaginable that the US would then replace detainment with outright killing."

[BeFree]

1. There has to be a new law?

Are we f'n gone insane so much that there has to be a new law that keeps the US govt. from assassinating it's own citizens?

Are we living now in fear of our own govt?

Gee thanks, bush. You damned idiot,

[90-percent]

2. What?

what do you mean Bush, Kimosabe? It's Obama that wants to keep the power to hunt down and kill any American anywhere on earth in the name of national security.

Seems like all he extra constitutional stuff Bush enacted and got away with, Obama wants to keep for himself.

This sort of thing truly makes me question where Constitutional Scholar and Professor Obama is coming from?

-90% jimmy

[BeFree]

4. Place credit where credit is due

bush made it policy and Obama is just following along.

Who wouldn't? Not me, but then I'd never get to be the POTUS either.

We live in the empire age, get used to it. Obama's second term may bring some changes, but for now, methinks we all live in fear of being assassinated, eh?

[VioletLake]

6. The power isn't all his; Obama is just the trigger man. n/t

[BeFree]

7. Obama is the trigger man?

That sounds just like what some rednecks I know would say.

Obama has a target ON HIM. He's the POTUS and he's a potential enemy of the PTB.

[snot]

9. If I have the courage to say no, why doesn't B.O.?

The good guys outnumber the bad guys; it's only our acquiescence in the lie that we don't have the power to stand up to the bad guys that enables them.

[BeFree]

11. We have the power

But who listens to us?

Now, the POTUS has a huge target on him. That's why they have SS members around him and not you or I. Duh.

[bonnieS]

14. if Obama

is too frightened to lead he should leave the job and turn the reins over to Biden. Being a target should not mean, if you have any character at all, turning into an assassin for the corporations. Every President's life has been at risk, so what? There is a risk at most jobs--when i was teaching I was at risk from some of the gun toting students. Nowadays if you are a fisherman in the Gulf your life is at stake.

This is not a movie. Obama is not strapped into a chair, loaded up with hypnotics and told what he must do. He has a choice. He can decide, if he is too frightened to carry out the job he so desired, to go back to teaching (or take a job with Goldman Sachjs) or he can be the best President he knows how to be, which should not include assassinating American citizens.

Did he think it was all going to be black tie at the White House with entertainment by Paul McCartney?

[BeFree]

16. well, it is obvious

By your questions you indicate that you are a novice to the history of deep politics.

All I can say is: Welcome to the nightmare. And be ready to duck.

[Matt Shapiro]

19. You missed the point in your condescending response

Painting Obama as the victim of the real Powers That Be is silly. True, he is controlled by them, but he CHOSE to be of his own free will. When he ran for the office, he consulted them and assured them that he would do their bidding. In return they "allowed" him to run, and gave him tens of millions in seed money. Obama does the bidding of the corporate power structure because he wants to, not because he is being forced. He does, however, do a very good job of hiding this with his carefully chosen oratory.

[flyarm]

22. dear we all have a target on us now, and Obama is keeping the target on us!

constitutional lawyer my ass!

[VioletLake]

12. The trigger man is always a target.

Edit to add: That's what the POTUS is: trigger man for what you call the PTB.

[BeFree]

13. Right?

Then the whole government is the trigger man?

Indeed, step out of line the man comes and takes you away?

[VioletLake]

15. I do agree with you though,

that the POTUS is the potential enemy of the "PTB". The trigger man always is.

Edit to add: It's quite a powerful "gun".

[Donnachaidh]

25. Following along isn't the correct term -- he's COMPLICIT in assassinations

Sorry, but the terminology doesn't apply. If there was a *spine* involved, along with some *ethics* and *morality* - we would NOT be facing this sort of heinous nonsense, and we would NOT have to write laws to stop this crap.

We supposedly voted an *intelligent* *adult* president into office. Yet time after time we see the Bush crimes being institutionalized by this president. What was the favorite saying - *I got this* -- really? He's *got* the validation and institutionalizing of potential war crimes?

NOT the change we were promised. FAR f*cking from it. :grr:

[BeFree]

27. Yep

The whole 'war' thing is heinous nonsense but here we are and bombs away.!!

It really sucks. But that's the way it is and Obama is powerless to make the changes. It will take a vast majority of citizens to alter that course.

This was his promise.... it will take nearly all of us to bring the changes needed.

Are you with us?

[VioletLake]

3. Bar ALL "targeted killings".

Another euphemism for assassination, extra-judicial execution, murder, etc.

[laughingliberal]

5. K & R nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. The CIA doesn't give a fuck about US laws

They torture and kill as they feel like it and then destroy the evidence. as they will
Don't kid yourself that any new law will stop their power.

Love Dennis and yes its a good law.

But don't kid yourself

[snot]

10. What a radical.

Again, the good guys outnumber the bad guys; the bad guys have their way only because B.O and the rest of us enable them by failing to say NO.

[Imajika]

17. Another Kucinich proposal that has no chance...

...of actually going anywhere. Good for him though. Excellent PR directed at his core supporters who will love him just a little bit more.

[TheKentuckian]

23. That kooky kat, talking about some old played out due process and that tired Constitution shit

What a dumbass!

:sarcasm:

[Ignis]

30. "It's just a goddamn piece of paper!"

Why should we trouble ourselves with that old thing, anyway?

[mmonk]

31. Or maybe someone will realize targeted murder of citizens by the US without judicial

review runs counter to the Constitution. Silence is to be for it. Being silent is complicity in the act. Being silent means accepting the political position that it falls within the purview of the presidency alone.

[varelse]

18. K&R

I cannot believe how dissappointing some of the replies have been :(

[felix_numinous]

20. K & R My man. nt

[populistdriven]

21. glad to see all the shoe shine boys falling in line here at DU

[sabrina 1]

24. Thank you for trying, Rep. Kucinich.

It is an outrage that this country should have sunk so low as to even consider such a violation of everything they claim to be.

It will be interesting to see who has the moral fiber to help him this time. What a gang of cowards we have in this government.

This country is sliding into third world status faster than anyone could imagine. Even down to such unlawful, brutal practices as political assassinations.

What next? Stonings for adultery? Nothing would surprise me anymore.

Thank god for Dennis Kucinich. At least he reminds us of what we pretend to be even if he is so often the only one who remembers.

[azul]

26. Surprise that we should now need a law against extrajudical murder?

And that the only support for such a law must come through a demonized and radicalized true supporter of the constitution and rule of law?

We are in a United State of Despair, the marginalized people of conscience with a sense of justice.

[sabrina 1]

29. Sad. Dennis is ahead of his time.

This country is still in the stage that mos Empires were in before they got a rude awakening.

In a more enlightened society, Kucinich would be president. Some day that will probably happen, a man like Kucinich will be taken seriously. Meantime, we live in a world dominated by the likes of Palin and Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity and our side is too terrified of what they might say about us to have the courage to do what Kucinich does.

I am still going to be interested to see who stands up with him as this is a blight on this country's already stained reputation.

[L0oniX]

28. Oh noes ...government hit man jobs will just get out sourced.