Dancers From Ohio Strip Club Protest At Church

[sabra]

Source: CBS News/AP

Ohio Strip Club Dancers In Bikinis Protest At Church That Has Been Picketing Them For 4 Years

(AP) WARSAW, Ohio (AP) - The owner of an Ohio strip club and some of his dancers have been protesting at a church that has done the same to them for four years.

Women in bikinis sat in camp chairs Sunday outside the New Beginnings Ministries church in Warsaw, about 60 miles northeast of Columbus.

Tommy George owns the Foxhole strip club in nearby Newcastle. He says he and his employees decided to start coming to the church because they were fed up.

George says the church's pastor, Bill Dunfee, and his congregation have bothered the club's weekend patrons. He says they come armed with bullhorns, signs and video cameras for posting customers' license plate numbers online.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/08/09/ap/strange/main6756496.shtml?tag=cbsnewsSectionContent.12

[ensho]

1. kick

nt

[Jim__]

2. No pictures?

[Hepburn]

8. Here ya go...

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/08/09/of-ire-and-brimstone.html?sid=101

Pictures at link ~~ and they can be enlarged!

[rurallib]

12. That church goer who prayed for that dancer's salvation

should have gotten a lap dance in appreciation.

[Hepburn]

21. So true!

Would most likely, IMO, been the salvation he was looking for! :evilgrin:

[txlibdem]

35. Raised up from on high

Amen.

[Jim__]

20. Thanks :-)

[Radical Activist]

56. awesome

[Turborama]

63. ....

[Uncle Joe]

72. I didn't know Ann Coulter was a stripper.

That's what I love about D.U. you can learn something new everyday.

[joeybee12]

3. Do unto others as they do unto you...

actually, i guess it's as you would have them do unto you...but shortening it makes it appropriate!

[caseymoz]

97. Always do to others as they would have you undo-- Dan Quayle

um, via Doonesbury.

[Roland99]

4. HA! love it!

They should setup a bikini car wash for charity right across the street.

Start putting fliers for the strip club under windshield wipers on cars in the church's parking lot.


Or, to really get at them, start pulling license plate info off cars in the church parking lot and Googling info on them and start posting any publicly-known dirt.



Ahhh...loves me some fake Christians.

[jberryhill]

5. Good on them

And I'll bet these Christians were scandalized that anyone would think of bothering their customers for a change.

[liberal N proud]

6. A little free speech is good for them

:rofl:

[asdjrocky]

7. Good for them. nt

[xchrom]

9. Very cool. Nt

[rurallib]

10. "(Pastor)Dunfee calls George a "parasite" "

Really? At least George offers entertainment. Dunfee doesn't even offer that.

[Greyhound]

51. Pot, meet kettle. n/t

[dadzilla]

11. I LOVE IT..

A hearty dose of their own medicine is just the ticket!

[tridim]

13. It's just like the "heckling" episode of Seinfeld.

Gooooo strippers!

[Love Bug]

14. Tit for tat!

:evilgrin:

[Evasporque]

23. .

:0P

[loudsue]

93. HAHA! ROFL

:rofl:

[Evasporque]

15. Jesus Loves Strippers!

Bless their little g-strings.

[feslen]

53. normal people love strippers :)

only the blind doesn't understand sex, sexuality and the normalcy of the human animal...

[roxiejules]

16. Not exactly what you hope your daughter will be doing for a living

There seems no point in being modest in a strip club, so I keep talking and ask the girls how working at the Foxhole has changed their opinion of men.

The answer is immediate and vehement. "Men are pigs!" seethes Natalia. "They don't see anything in you but coochie and boobs."


http://media.www.kenyoncollegian.com/media/storage/paper821/news/2006/11/09/Features/The-Foxhole.Go.For.The.Pie.Stay.For.The.Pole.Dancing-2450280-page4.shtml#4

[Warren DeMontague]

39. You mean, preaching?

No. I really hope she stays out of those sorts of places.

[roxiejules]

42. Nope, I mean stripping....

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Oh.

Well, like I said.

[Mariana]

88. *chuckle* *grin*

I'm with you.

[BlueJazz]

75. Ah...Some men are pigs. A lot of us are nice pigs.....and a few hogs..

[Arugula Latte]

89. I'd much rather my daughter be a stripper than one of these religious idiots.

[caseymoz]

99. He asks one? And that's how the Foxhole has change "their " opinion of men?

I tend to think there's been some selective fact-finding here. I happen to know others do not have that opinion.

I'd rather have my daughter work at a strip club than at a McDonalds or Walmart in her twenties.

[DeSwiss]

17. K&R!

I know that Jesus would approve of this, since his biggest turnoffs were hypocrites.

[Enthusiast]

64. But Jesus has changed.

Jesus now approves of endless wars, cruelty, greed, torture and hypocrisy. I mean, he must. :crazy: :hi:

[SILVER__FOX52]

18. Can you imagine the good these religeous......

robots could do if they really did God's work instead of supporting their pastors political agenda? You would see this shit, end almost overnight if the government did what it should do and revoke these Church's, Not-for-Profit, statuses.

[pezDispenser]

49. man I would love to see that

It's amazing with what gets called a church. Absolutely disgusting.

[oldhippydude]

113. easy now

the faith indusry hates compeTITion..

[DirkGently]

19. Good for them. Free speech is a two-way street.

[PatrynXX]

22. Well thats carrying things a bit too far

But yes free speech goes both ways.


taking pix of license plates. not sure how legal that is unless the church was doing the same thing

[Dogtown]

28. Paragraph 4 in the OP.

"George says the church's pastor, Bill Dunfee, and his congregation have bothered the club's weekend patrons. He says they come armed with bullhorns, signs and video cameras for posting customers' license plate numbers online."

[kestrel91316]

70. I always say, "Don't dish it out if you can't take it."

[kelly1mm]

79. You have no expectation of privacy in the exterior of your car, including

the licence plate, when in a public place (ie not in a closed garage). Nothing illegal about taking pictures of license plates at a church parking lot (from public property) or at a strip club, again, from public property.

[BlueIdaho]

24. You go ladies!

It's about time these sanctimonious do gooders got a taste of their own medicine. I hope they keep. It up!

[KamaAina]

25. "Thank you, God!"

:rofl:

[SoapBox]

26. ROFL! Pay back can be such a bitch!!

I love this...

I am SO OVER these too-too holy and pious churches
and phony religious groups.

Maybe they can attract some help for the protests
at the church and REALLY make a statement.

...churchies...keep your nose, out of other folks business.

[valerief]

27. Ha!!!! Payback's a bitch!!!!

:rofl:

[Hulk]

29. GREAT response!!

I'd keep it up until the "saintly church-lady" gives up her harrassment in front of THEIR establishment.

Such hypocritical fools. I love a good dance. I even like a decent lap dance. I've never touched a prostitute, so I figure I'm contributing to "the arts".

[Crowman1979]

30. Nice to see that the immoral majority in america are fighting back.

:headbang:

[niyad]

31. k and r--great for them

[missingfink]

34. This will not end well for the Strip Club

This church surely outnumbers them and the pastor now has an issue to rally his flock. There are probably more religiously insane churches nearby to lend a hand in this crusade. Even though I'm on the side of the club, I'm betting the strippers have bitten off more than they can chew.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Doubtful.

I think you over-estimate the popularity of these types of scolds and self-appointed morality nannies.

[Vickers]

58. Nobody likes a bully. n/t

[kestrel91316]

71. I wholeheartedly disagree and totally support the strip club's protests.

I think ALL nasty asshole fundie churches need to be picketed on Sundays.

[caseymoz]

102. Here! Here! nt

[krabigirl]

125. Yes, I also think more Christians should protest the hateful churches.

It turns people off to religion just as much as it sucks in the desperate. (edit: for those who are inclined to be spiritual in the first place.)

[lildreamer316]

90. It's already not ended well, that's why they are protesting.

BTW, I'm a stripper by profession and have been for over 14 years.

Ohio passed a very restrictive law for the clubs a few years ago.

"The law forces strip clubs, adult and video bookstores, X-rated theaters, and other "sexually oriented businesses" to close between midnight and 6 a.m. with the exception of those with liquor licenses allowing them to stay open until 2 a.m. In the latter case, there can be no fully nude performances during those extra two hours.

The law also increases criminal penalties if a fully nude performer or an audience member touches the other."

(http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071102/NEWS02/711020430)


The dancers now have to have pasties and 'booty shorts' on if and when they perform, in addition to the other restrictions in the law. I believe they have to stay either three or six feet away from the patrons.

So they are now taking the fight to where it began;because churches like this one were the backbone of the movement for the law.

[caseymoz]

103. It might be good if some of the church people talk to some of the strippers.

It's easy to vilify and destroy people's livelihoods when you don't know them. I notice that in the article, the Reverend doesn't attack the ladies, he attacks the club owner.

[caseymoz]

101. Hope you're not right.

I don't think they've bitten off more than they could chew, exactly. The Church wasn't going to stop till it drove the strip club out of business anyway. If other churches pitch in, let's see if sex workers do.

[krabigirl]

124. both groups can protest all they want....not sure why strippers should be denied that right.

[GodlessBiker]

32. Tit for tat.

[BlueJazz]

76. LOL!

[niyad]

33. I wonder how many of those churchgoers are patrons of the club.

reminds me of a very old joke:

a parrot that used to belong to a whorehouse is sold to the local minister. on the first sunday in his new residence, the parrot is set on a perch behind the minister. he looks around the building and the congregation and says, "hmmm, new digs. hummm, new women. hmmmm, same men."

[Kolesar]

40. The pickets were there to keep other New Horizon parishoners from patronizing the strip clubs

The Catholic Church does not have a monopoly on shame.

[patrice]

36. Awesome! We should brainstorm some signs for them to use! nt

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

59. "At Least We Pay Property Taxes"

[awnobles]

61. Bingo

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

37. So if I go out and picket this club....

Will those girls stop by my place?

[smoogatz]

41. K&R

Good for them. What's interesting is that the strippers sound like working-class moms, mostly, who've gone out and found the most lucrative jobs they can get. $2k a week ain't half bad--hell, it's more than twice what an assistant prof in Arts and Sciences earns at my local U. So the preacher's assertion that he'll replace that income if the women "come to him" rings a bit hollow. It would be interesting to see what happened if they all decided to take him up on it, and he ended up being on the hook for five or six hundred grand a year. I wonder how his congregation would feel about paying a whole club full of strippers not to dance after the first little thrill of "victory" passed.

[Anakin Skywalker]

91. Maybe He Wants Them for His Wives?

A closeted Mormon, maybe?

[smoogatz]

43. Another idea: let's send them some flowers. Or cater a barbecue for 'em.

We should support anyone who stands up to the American Taliban's religious bullying.

[progressoid]

45. Uh....this place?

[femrap]

46. Damn shame this is

what women in Ohio have to do to make a living. Don't you want your daughters' dreams to be: "Gee when I grow up I want to use the only Free Speech I have to become a stripper. I want ugly men ogling me and touching me. I'll be able to make a decent living so why bother with an education...that costs too much anyway."

You go, daddies.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Used to be, you could make a living farming.

Now, it's, like, just a hobby or something.

[roxiejules]

50. Spot on!

Thanks, femrap

[femrap]

62. That DU allows such

crap makes me sick. Sexism is the last 'ism.' 30 to 40 years ago, this would have been smacked down. But 'boyz will be boyz' is the name of the game today. And the boyz are so illiterate as to think that Fundies and Feminism are one in the same.

May their wives, mothers, daughters survive their willful ignorance. Guess I'll just add all the idiots on this thread to my Ignore List.

[frylock]

65. what in the fuck are you going on about?!

[Name removed]

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[Warren DeMontague]

66. You could always write a long, pontificating OP, quoting the rules at everyone.

Or maybe I'm thinking of a

different

DU member? :shrug:

[frylock]

69. because that post was deleted..

and a damn shame too, as i wish more people could have seen it, perhaps you'll take a moment to point out where ANYONE, besides yourself, was equating feminists with fundies.

[Tarc]

87. Somebody call the WHAAAAMBULANCE

:eyes:

[femrap]

119. Did you swallow

something bad and need help? Choke.

[caseymoz]

105. Hate to say, feminism didn't do itself any favors.

When Andrea Dworkin and Catherine McKinnon got in bed with the Meese Commission. First of all, they used studies making claims that any 13-year-old with a stash of porn magazines could debunk, and did. And anti-sex feminist still do the same thing today.

Second, those two collaborated with with people most active in defeating the ERA.

They set back feminism 30 years.

The boyz aren't illiterate. Many of them. Many just know something you reject.

[Name removed]

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[caseymoz]

121. You know, I didn't say Dworkin and Schlafly were. You know that don't you?

I said they worked with those who a decade before had worked to defeat the ERA. Would that have been exclusively Phyllis Schlafly? Or did I say, "The person who defeated the ERA," (apparently Phyllis Schlafly worked alone in your version). Is that even momentarily plausible?

So, your first sentence being a total falsehood, I'm skipping the rest of your message.

I'd say that's par for the course for anti-sex feminists... In discussions I've come to expect that they insert whatever they want into the picture; even if its false, even if doesn't make sense. For support, they'll quote "studies" by other anti-sex feminists who make a living doing the same thing.

And that's how you defeat yourself. You clearly illustrated how feminists, at least most anti-sex feminists, don't do themselves any favors. Dworkin and McKinnon defeated themselves. The patriarchy did not even have to try.

[seabeyond]

126. " total falsehood, I'm skipping the rest of your message". like you calling women "anti-sex"

ya

i hear ya. i will skip what you have to say also. like it isnt obvious the game you play by using anti sex. along with the people that sling the pearl clutching and prude.... shit.

dont be on a high horse when you are laying in the mud.

[caseymoz]

127. And I didn't call women "anti-sex" either.

I referred to anti-sex feminists, not to all women as anti-sex. There was nothing unclear about my qualifying that, either.

No meaningful discussion is possible here. Bye.

[seabeyond]

128. anti sex? no one is anti sex. like anti life, pro abortion? absurd. it is clear what you

are doing

using anti sex. another way to degrade, humiliate, shame.....

[caseymoz]

130. Plenty of people are anti-somebody-else's sex.

Need I point out that's the debate on gay marriage? Some straight people don't see gay people's sex as really tolerable? That is it's not something that can be socially sanctioned.

There are other examples of this. Such as the Catholic Church is very anti-sex, sanctioning it as morally tolerable only in heterosexual marriage sex. Even masturbation is immoral.

It's on this basis that I call certain people anti-sex. This is a no-brainer. Really, you have no basis for telling me that doesn't exist. Where have you been for human existence?

I'm talking about essentially the same thing among many feminists who are anti-sex. Not anti concerning sex that they like or have a use for, but really, anti-male sex in general, and anti-sex industry when it pertains to other women who choose it, at the extremes pretty much making the whole notion of consensual sex into a joke, but disguising it by vilifying only male sexuality.

Uneasiness, queasiness, nausea, and outrage are things that people feel toward sex they can't enjoy. Their feelings are inevitably negative, and this cuts across religion, politics, race, gender or ideology.

[seabeyond]

131. you know what you are doing using anti sex. i know what you are doing. everyone on the board knows

what you are doing.

it is dishonest. it is chicken shit. it is the same as those that say pro abortion

[caseymoz]

132. Well, you "know" something that I don't then.

Or maybe you guessed wrong and think you know. Please put it in words. You're the one with the accusation.

You're criminalizing me with innuendo due to what you think you know but don't say and what you fully expect everybody else to know looks very silly.

What is this nefarious thing I'm hiding behind the term "anti-sex," that so transparent everybody can see I'm hiding it? Can't you say it for the sake of those who might have guessed wrong and think they know what you mean, but don't? I'd tell them myself, but I have no idea what you're talking about.

[roxiejules]

115. Women and girls wanted

No experience required. No high school diploma needed. No minimum age requirement. On-the-job training provided.

Special opportunities for poor women -- single mothers -- women of color.

Workplace:

Job-related activities will be performed in the following locations: in an apartment, a hotel, a "massage parlor," car, doorway, hallway, street, executive suite, fraternity house, convention, bar, public toilet, public park, alleyway, military base, on a stage, in a glass booth.

Wages:

Wages will be negotiated at each and every transaction. Payment will be delivered when client determines when and if services have been rendered to his satisfaction.

Corporate management fees range from 40-60% of wages; private manager reserves the right to impound all monies earned.

Note: Accusations of rape will be treated as a breach of contract by employee.

Contact:

The man with the money.

[femrap]

117. Yep....that's what

become of the american dream for young women....or there's the military where their own 'buddies' will sexually assault over 25% of the women.

This paradigm is just about over.

[caseymoz]

129. delete

delete

[caseymoz]

133. Just couldn't let this one go.

"No experience required. No high school diploma needed. No minimum age requirement. On-the-job training provided."

Or women with college, or even advanced degrees, because it might pay better than the wages in your chosen field. In fact, you have an opportunity to earn more if you are intelligent.

"Special opportunities for poor women -- single mothers -- women of color."

Could you make this racism, classism innuendo vaguer for us?

"Workplace:

"Job-related activities will be performed in the following locations: in an apartment, a hotel, a "massage parlor," car, doorway, hallway, street, executive suite, fraternity house, convention, bar, public toilet, public park, alleyway, military base, on a stage, in a glass booth."

Caveat: Except you don't have to perform your job in any of these places if you don't want. That's just where people normally have sex anyway.

"Wages:

"Wages will be negotiated at each and every transaction. Payment will be delivered when client determines when and if services have been rendered to his satisfaction."

Actually, the pay rate is fairly well set, though guys will try to negotiate them, but you could always tell them to get lost, and generally, they will.

"Corporate management fees range from 40-60% of wages; private manager reserves the right to impound all monies earned."

And if you don't like this, and many women shouldn't and don't, you could always go independent and keep 100 percent of what you earn.

"Note: Accusations of rape will be treated as a breach of contract by employee."

What your employer says will be minor compared to the fact that accusations of rape will be treated as unenforceable by law enforcement, prosecutors, and the community, including anti-sex feminists, who consider what you do to be disgusting, dishonorable, and semi- or illegal. As for your employer, just go to work at the place one town over.

Contact:

The man with the money.

Or don't contact them. He's not forcing you.

What, are you implying men without money aren't scumbags, too? Or is that just an oversight? How about the disabled, disfigured guy with the money, who can't get a date? How about also the occasional woman or couple?

[blondeatlast]

54. Because only another woman can decide what another woman can do to make money.

So much for "liberation." :eyes:

[Warren DeMontague]

55. Agreed. Unless you're addressing someone with multiple personalities.

In which case "another woman" might, still, be the first one.

[blondeatlast]

60. Good point.

:rofl:

[blondeatlast]

84. FWIW, I think femrap's has no biz deciding what is a "proper" career for a woman.

I should've added the :eyes: thingie, in retrospect.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Yeah, I got that. I agree, 100%.

There's other stuff I could say here, but it would probably be questionable in terms of the rules and such. Suffice it to say an enthusiastic use of the search function will probably tell you whatever you need to know about various peoples' assorted, errrrrrm, identities.

[blondeatlast]

122. OMG...

and I don't mean ohmigosh!

;)

[TorchTheWitch]

94. what makes you think we're uneducated?

Dammit, I hate this assumption shit. Most of the younger girls strip to be able to afford higher education that couldn't be had otherwise. Most of us older strippers threw in the towel and started stripping after our higher education got us nothing but shit jobs that barely put food on the table much less paid for all that higher education debt.

We aren't lazy or stupid or uneducated, and how our parents raised us has fuck all to do with why we chose this profession. My parents were marvelous, and it pisses me off no end that anyone would think I was a victim of bad parenting because of what I choose to do for a living when I discovered the hard way that working 60+ hours for some oger that treated their workers like slaves for shit pay that barely paid the bills wasn't nearly good enough and totally futureless. Everyone knows why people are forced to work endless hours for shit pay for some oger, and it has nothing to do with parenting but everything to do with politicians.

[caseymoz]

106. When your masters degree gets you the day shift and $50,000 of debt.

I know a woman who stripped her way through college, got a masters in bioscience and a bachelors' in literature, who then was going for her Ph.D. and who then, after the Bush administration closed down her stem cell research, had to return to stripping to pay for her student loans.

[caseymoz]

104. You ever noticed that the sex industry really seemed to boom after Reagan?

After that, and after the defeat of the ERA. I noticed it. As soon as good jobs got more difficult to find. I hate to say, it's then that having a masters degree meant you got the day shift. That discourages somebody from getting an education more than anything.

That being said, it's not really the pawing treatment that you apparently think. Though I think there should be other opportunities in this economy.

[TorchTheWitch]

109. it boomed with the advent of widespread internet

Then suddenly going to strip clubs were for regular people not just dirty old men in trench coats, and suddenly it wasn't anywhere near as stigmatizing for dancers to do it - in fact, it became almost glamorized. That's also when it became more touchy-feely... with so many woman flooding into the industry just stage performances weren't enough to make money anymore. At the same time, the clubs were being bought out by big corporations and becoming chains, and that was the end of getting paid since the big corporations decided it was ever so much better for the dancers to have to pay the club to work instead of the other way around... and also have to pay their other employees they used to pay like the DJ, housemom, security personnel, etc.

Yeah, it has become the "pawing treatment", and gotten worse in the last ten or so years. These days with the shit economy and virtually empty clubs it's nearly impossible to even break even at the end of a shift without dealing with a lot of pawing. You would not believe some of the things I've seen other dancers do for the ten or fifteen dollars she gets out of a twenty dollar lap dance anymore... and the customers know how badly we're suffering to make any money and demand more "bang for the buck". You wouldn't believe the shit that I've seen other dancers do regularly for FREE in order to convince someone to buy a twenty dollar dance... or just tip them a measley dollar.

This business is suffering BADLY in this economy. Any workers that rely on tips are suffering the most... strippers, bartenders, waitresses, hostesses, shot girls. The only reason so many of the clubs are still open is because they're making the bulk of their money off the fees the WORKERS have to pay THEM to work.

[caseymoz]

120. Well, that part about the Internet goes without saying.

I want you to know other strippers say other things about it (then again, of the ones I talk to, all retired about 8-10 years ago, or worked in a great economy). All working conditions deteriorate in a wretched economy, and no, I'll agree, working conditions were never that good in strip clubs. I skeptical that, even getting worse over your career, that the clutching and grabbing are worse than what girls in the '60s & '70s went through, because there was on social onus to it then. I could be wrong.

The clutching and grabbing is a bit like assaults on the subway. No question it happens frequently. Is it really what the subway is set up for, though? And do you close the subway down for it? I know one stripper, retired, who threw a guy out of the club herself, (security was angry at her and she got no tips that night, though) and I know another, also retired, who says punched a guy for groping her. In other words, there's no good reason for tolerating it. No, I don't think it would hurt business a lot.

If not, maybe a five foot rule like the one in Ohio is good for strippers? But then again, when it's in effect they then complain about the lack of freedom and how the restriction hurts their income.

About the increasing demands for less money, strippers still have a choice about they tolerate or do to receive cash. They can chose not to lap dance for $15, and they can call the security who they pay and have the offending customer thrown out. And if they don't make quite $20 for a five minute lap dance, they still do better for pay then the McDonald's employee who doesn't gross that amount in two hours. Or in fact, the unemployed person who gets $240 a week, when Congress chooses to pay them. (Even if she gets just two dances that hour, or four dances that whole night.) The latter two by comparison can't find an offer of doing anything more for extra pay.

Just to say in general: I don't think people working for tips are necessarily suffering the most. Now, the people who earn tips, strippers, might make themselves suffer most to earn extra money, but finally, the option was theirs. It's not an option others have.

I will add though, with the economy so bad, women are probably flooding into the business, and with potential customers generally busted, it's going to force strippers' income down.

[Dorian Gray]

48. That's kind of

awesome. LOL!

[Ikonoklast]

52. "Hmmm. Those young ladies make how much, you say?"

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

57. K&R for the pwnage of pearl-clutching prudes. -nt

[Old Troop]

73. Actually, it seems rather good-natured on both sides

:shrug:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

111. Good natured on the church's side? Did you read this?

"George says the church's pastor, Bill Dunfee, and his congregation have bothered the club's weekend patrons. He says they come armed with bullhorns, signs and video cameras for posting customers' license plate numbers online."

[Carnage251]

74. How do all these conservatives assholes always talk about freedom?

[habitual]

77. pic:

[Political_Junkie]

78. K & R

Awesome!

[Historic NY]

80. Well at least they can get great suntans. What no tassels?

[AlbertCat]

81. Is a name like Bill Dunfee for real??????

[Little Star]

82. This gave me a good chuckle! k&r

[edbermac]

83. Where are the Chippendale dancers for the Pastor Ted crowd?

Let's be fair now.

[MadMaddie]

85. Good! This needs to happen more often.

[Scottybeamer70]

92. Heh

I can only imagine the "pearl clutching" and "heavy breathing" going on in that church that morning. Serves them right
for being so nosey!!! If they don't like strip clubs, just don't go to them.......it's really that simple........:)

[usregimechange]

95. There may be greater sin taking place in the church

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96. kick

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[Warren DeMontague]

100. You mean the one where Lynchings were considered good Sunday entertainment?

No, actually, I don't.

Fundy fuckwads have been here since the Mayflower. Now, fortunately, people like the strippers aren't afraid to tell them to fuck off and mind their own god-damn business. I think that's an improvement, and solid advice for everyone.

[liberation]

116. What's with the denial some Americans have regarding the actual historical reality of our country?

People love to wax poetic about a place which never was.

The original colonies were started by religious extremists hellbent in eradicating out the native population, the main reason the colonies survived was due to wealth derived from tobacco seeds stolen from the Spaniards, our country was founded by a bunch of wealthy men who did not feel like paying taxes or having the british crown regulate their capital, their concept of "people" did not include poor white males, women in general, and blacks were considered not even a whole person, our civil war had more to do with taxation and capital/labor costs than slavery, and policies like Monroe doctrine and manifest destiny imply that our country has behaved more like an empire for most of its history as an independent nation.

People love to think of Roosevelt and the post WWII period as the norm, when they were actually the exception in our country's history. And even during those few decades of relative social stability and prosperity significant chunks of our population, namely minorities, were left out and continued being abused.


We need to start being intellectually honest about who we are and have always been as a country/society, and cut it out with the whole Hollywood/starry eyed bullshit... if we are indeed honest about better ourselves as a country/society.

[caseymoz]

107. May the strippers receive more funds in those bikinis than the donation plate does!

I hope they drain the donation plate and put the church out of business!

I know that's a fantasy, but it would be so funny.

[eyewall]

108. the Foxhole?

Isn't that a term of patriotic wartime jingoism?

I guess the New Beginnings Ministries hate our troops.

[polmaven]

110. I have one observation..

I have no problem with the protesting. Actually, good for them....I am concerned, though, that maybe if they do this again, they will consider not sitting on the church's property. That might give the church some reason to call it illegal trespassing. That would be a shame.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

112. Good for them!

[Wednesdays]

114. The church posted customers' license plate numbers online?

That is seriously fucked up. What crime was committed to warrant that?

[krabigirl]

123. :)