Just received this from a RWr. Know the source/details of the grant?

[Frustratedlady]

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.aspx?id=1115186

I need rebuttal info. She is livid and I can't argue without knowing the facts. This article sounds as though it is made to incite anger among the RWrs.

[DURHAM D]

1. I guess to tell her "Consider the source" won't get it?

[mwooldri]

14. I mean.. look at the articles' title and the authors' name. EOM.

(edit for clarity)

[babylonsister]

2. It's a bunch of b.s. from the American Family Assn-they

always distort the truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Association


American Family Association
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American Family Association
Formation 1977 by Rev. Donald Wildmon
Type Christian right organization
Headquarters United States Tupelo, Mississippi, U.S.
President Tim Wildmon
Website www.AFA.net

The American Family Association (AFA) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that promotes conservative Christian values<1><2><3><4> such as traditional marriage, anti-pornography, and pro-life activism,<5> as well as other public policy goals such as deregulation of the oil industry and lobbying against the Employee Free Choice Act.<6> It was founded in 1977 by Rev. Donald Wildmon as the National Federation for Decency and is headquartered in Tupelo, Mississippi. Donald Wildmon served as chairman of AFA until he announced his retirement on March 3, 2010. His son, Tim, who is president of AFA, is expected to take over as chairman .<5>

The AFA defines itself as "a Christian organization promoting the biblical ethic of decency in American society with primary emphasis on TV and other media"<7><8> It pursues its views and other issues through a number of activism efforts, including boycotts, buycotts, Action alert e-mails, publications on the AFA's web sites or in the AFA Journal, broadcasts on American Family Radio, and lobbying.<9> The organization has an annual budget of roughly US$14 million and owns 180 American Family Radio stations in 28 states.<10>[de

[Frustratedlady]

11. Oh, OK. I saw the American Family and thought it was the insurance company.

That makes sense now. I can't keep track of all these whacko organizations anymore...way too many of them.

Thanks for the info.

[Beaverhausen]

3. spending any taxpayer dollars on abstinence-only education is stupid

otherwise I don't see a problem with it.

[Stevenmarc]

4. The site is an extension of the AFA, enough said

[Frustratedlady]

5. That was my first thought, but I don't know the source...first time I'd seen this.

I assume it's a newsletter from her insurance company. Anyone know the author?

[rucky]

6. I don't see the problem with this program.

Money well spent, IMHO.

[izquierdista]

7. I guess that's why you're here

"I can't argue without knowing the facts"

Doesn't stop any of the Republicans campaigning for office...

[Dogmudgeon]

8. No need to rebut

Just ask her why she thinks she can trust her source over, for instance, local teachers and her own research on federal web pages.

"You say you HAVEN'T personally looked up the program to find out the details? You just took some rabble-rouser's word for it?"

Here's the facts: The story is bullshit. Your mission is to make her feel like a fool for NOT following up. (And you don't have to mock her, either. Simply realizing how she jumped to reinforce her own bigotry should do the job.)

After that, a brief mention of the pernicious trend among Christians of "bearing false witness".

--d!

[Frustratedlady]

13. No, I didn't look up the program, as I wasn't sure what/where to find it.

I could tell after only a few words that it was written to incite their following, but I wanted to read the actual grant/bill/program...whatever they called it...for myself to see how they twisted the words.

It doesn't do any good to argue if you don't have the facts. That is why I asked on DU.

[Dogmudgeon]

17. That's HER job, too

You don't need to know what the bullshit smells like to know it's bullshit. But you CAN ask your adversary what it smells like.

Wingnuts NEVER take the time to educate themselves about what they believe. (Sad to say it isn't too common on OUR side, either.)

When you make them aware that they are talking through parts of their body intended for other functions, the Humiliation Response usually kicks in immediately.

Sometimes you just need to get into the muck and use facts, but I always try to cut through the outer layer of nonsense first. It often brings a wingnut right back to Earth.

--d!

[gratuitous]

9. By your friend's logic

She is also funding "gay" fire service and "gay" police service, since neither the fire department nor the police department are going to run through a list of questions in an emergency to decide whether you're "worthy" of receiving public services. If this is truly something for her to get livid about, she must be living a very good life indeed. Suggest that she find a hobby or volunteer some time in her community to help out folks less fortunate than her.

[cynatnite]

10. Yes, Obama is using federal funds to make little children gay. n/t

[mwooldri]

12. Here is the source.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/grants/open/foa/view/HHS-2010-ACF-ACYF-PREP-0125

This is the DHHS announcing the grant, including attachment to the full pdf detailing what they want for their money.

All it says is that when designing a sex-ed program to consider the needs of the non-heterosexual audience - make sure they are not left out or even stigmatized. There is not one piece of request in that grant announcement that states that the program must be designed to "indoctrinate school children in the homosexual lifestyle" (from the "news article", not the source).

That article from "OneNewsNow.com" is a piece of fiction. Look at the author's name. Charlie Butts. I don't know the guy, but I tell you attaching his name to this article is rather "unfortunate".

[Frustratedlady]

15. Thanks! That is exactly what I needed to reply to her message. n/t

[wolfgirl]

16. Check it out

http://www.thenationalcampaign.org/federalfunding/PDF/PRE_language.pdf


this is all about providing funding for sex education & pregnancy prevention. Doesn't require "indoctrination" of our youth

[Dogmudgeon]

18. And by the way ...

I want to wish you the best of luck with your RW pal. I have many such friends, myself. Many people are worth fighting for, but even those who aren't, can be ... instructive.

May all of your suerte be buena, and all of the chance turn out bonne!

:hi:

--d!