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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:31 AM Original message |
Going out of one's way to take gratuitous potshots at your base proves one thing |
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LargeGreenSpider (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. Great post. Agreed. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 06:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
216. Yes |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. How many times can your spouse snarl contempt at you, before you "get" the marriage is over? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. That is a poor analogy, because in a divorce you can be alone or marry someone else. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Or we can extend the analogy: After one marriage ends, "new relationships" are possible |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. The problem with the analogy is that in the political context, "new relationships" are not possible. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
35. often, after a marriage fails, there's a period of mourning where people believe that |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. The difference is that in marriage, it is not true, whereas in politics, it is in fact true. n/t |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. You've never actually been married, have you? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
104. No? Tell that to the Whigs |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #104 |
203. Same thing with the Federalists. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
176. After this marriage ends, then comes revolution. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #18 |
200. 'in the political context, "new relationships" are not possible'— Well then I'll register as a Whig! |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. It's more like a steel cage match |
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SlipperySlope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
96. Then brick by brick, the two party wall needs to be pulled down. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 02:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
206. There is always a way. In a marriage, or in politics. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. I dunno, how many times have all the people whining |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
113. Maybe he should have gotten the message that his |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #76 |
128. please give links from DU that correlate GWB with Obama. |
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Kweli4Real (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #128 |
149. Please give links where Gibbs "belittled" DU ... n/t |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #149 |
152. yeah, I didn't see any on DU either, nor "out there". |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:54 AM Response to Reply #76 |
196. i'm proud not to be obama's ally. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. Your mistaken assumption is that there is "elsewhere" to go. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Your mistaken assumption is that there is "nowhere" to go |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That's actually a 100% correct assumption, whether people like it or not. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Yargle, bargle, blarrrrgh! |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
56. That's all I see! nt |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
40. And it's attitudes like yours that keep the status quo. OF COURSE other parties |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. It has nothing to do with "my attitude." It is the truth, regardless of whether people like it. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I guess you are far too young to remember Ross Perot |
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Kweli4Real (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
150. But you do understand ... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
158. You prove my point exactly! Ross Perot got 0 electoral votes. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
193. Jesse The Governor Ventura of Minnesota |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
70. Oddly History doesn't bare that out |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
139. You don't even have to go back 20 years to find an example.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #139 |
160. You mean Ross Perot and his 0 (zero) electoral votes? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #160 |
164. You're not worth the time. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #164 |
168. Interesting. Because you couldn't respond to my post, you bring back another conversation where you |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:50 PM Response to Reply #164 |
169. . |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #139 |
161. You mean Ross Perot and his 0 (zero) electoral votes? |
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MsPithy (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. In 1992 Ross Perot got more than 19,000,000 votes. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #163 |
170. Isn't that my entire point? He got 19 million votes and it got him ZERO electoral votes. |
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MsPithy (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. No, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 04:16 AM Response to Reply #171 |
211. The only thing that prevents you from defecting in the long run is seeing the consequences of your |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #42 |
198. Yea, and the Soviet Union, Apartheid and vinyl records will always be around. -nt |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
57. Perfectly said by a person who advocates, |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
60. I heard a Whig say that once |
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MsPithy (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
85. If Obama gets a primary challenger from the left |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
111. Unless enough from a party defects |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
125. Ever? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
157. You're wrong, of course. People can go home. |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
187. Yep. Exactly |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
201. I guess you forget Jesse Ventura ..right?? Former Governor of Minn.. |
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SemperEadem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 06:28 AM Response to Reply #201 |
215. but can that happen on the presidential level, though? |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. How would you challenge that assumption? n/t |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. That would require work and people would have to get off of their computers. n/t |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Enough people looking to go elsewhere create the elsewhere to go to. |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Perfecty stated. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. You are assuming the vacuum is of non-negligable size |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. You are assuming history is not history |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #45 |
64. Someone in this conversation is, but it isn't me. n/t |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #41 |
241. 85-90% of liberal democrats - a bullshit number. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Isn't the problem for you that you are in a tiny minority? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Most great causes in our nation's history started with a minority |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
67. There is a difference between a progressive social movement and a "viable third party." n/t |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
129. If we're a tiny minority, there's no need for you to try to |
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MsPithy (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
167. Just wait until Obama cuts Social Security! |
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HankyDubs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 04:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
212. you are the minority, bza |
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fogonthelake (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
95. The Repug party is in disarray and when enough Progressives wake up, I think |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
138. I'd rather have a known snake.. |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. DLC's goal has always been to destroy the party from within |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. Many of us have gotten the message. Loud and clear. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
9. It's the old school power mongers. They still run everything. K&R. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. No One Took Pot Shots At Their Base |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Deleted message |
Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. See? That's A Good Idea! Maybe If You Were Productive Like That |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
130. We need bumper stickers. nt |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Then Gibbs should name names. I'd like to know preciscely who, in the ranks of the profressional... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. I Suggest You Get A Press Pass And Ask Him For His List |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Exactly. The base of the Democratic party |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
81. And the beatings will continue... |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. No One's Beating Me, You Feel Like You're Getting Beaten? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Poor me? wooooooosssssshhhhhhh! |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Poor Poor You, Getting Beaten Up |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #91 |
228. It was comical when it was clear you had not gotten the point at all... |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
107. Solid, supportive but smaller every day. n/t |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Nope, Not Really Smaller |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #112 |
195. I come from a working class family |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
115. "Obama's actual base remains solid and supportive" - |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #115 |
124. So, Nothing Of Value To Add Except Vapid Slurs? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
135. I don't hear you answering the question. nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:54 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Deleted message |
TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #136 |
142. Top campaign donations for Barack Obama |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 09:43 PM Response to Reply #142 |
173. touche! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:03 PM Response to Reply #124 |
242. Vapid slurs? Please, enlighten me - |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-10 09:46 AM Response to Reply #242 |
244. Guess he took his beets and went home. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #115 |
174. Richie Riches can suck on my big fat ass too! |
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CBR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
131. Exactly. They are not the base. nt |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
192. Big BS |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
11. They talk about liberals just as the right talks about liberals |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. They are and have been gaslighting us. |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
141. When did the Bushevicks bash the right? Never? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #141 |
231. To be fair the Bushes are conservatives dealing with a conservative base |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
13. Taking potshots at a group who has been proven CORRECT over and over |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. someday he is bound to choke on the left bashing crap he vomits up |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
14. People equating Obama and Bush* are not the base. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. That would be... |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
73. +1,000 |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
122. take a hike with that idea fool |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #14 |
197. Good Luck On That |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #197 |
233. Apparently they got that DLC talking point and have been spewing it nonstop for the past 24 hours |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
19. In THIS situation WE are Charlie Brown and the DLCists are Lucy |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
20. I got the message a long time ago |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
21. Hey! |
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Steely_Dan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
23. Well... |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. You'll never hear a neolib make comments like that to neocons, |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Yeah funny he never said that about the tea baggers... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
33. big k n r -- well done Phoebe. |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
38. place to galvanize is behind no war..too late to organize party or person |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
47. The base (85%*) is fine. Gibbs was talking about the dead-enders. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Yep.... that 15% has swarmed DU, though |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Actually that's 12%; the other 3% apparently have no opinion. |
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mrdmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Hey, where did you get the picture of my Republican brother? n/t |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Well, he is a snappy dresser. nt |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
106. If it's only so much noise why take the time to insult? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Your participation here is as valid as mine. nt |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #106 |
134. Welcome to the Honorary Gay Club. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #55 |
209. you learned from Gibbs and Rahm well! demean and attack the progressive base which DU is made up of |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Do you ever spend time at any other liberal site? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. dailykos.... TPM..... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
90. Actually, other than Firedoglake, nowhere does one see the claim |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
172. Who in the fuck has said that? |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
86. I am always fascinated by the center-right... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. "us liberals" ???? I stand with liberals representing 85% of the party, you with 12%. |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #47 |
180. define "liberals" |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
48. Message recieved, I get it too. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
49. Whichever party's base is the center, will win national elections 9 out of 10 times |
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MsPithy (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
93. gobbledygook |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
50. kr and spot on. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
52. Kicked and recommended. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
53. +1000 K&R |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
54. Same as it ever was. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
59. Sadly, that's pretty much the truth of it. I didn't want to believe it, but the evidence is |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
102. Why don't we just call them all capitalist fixers? |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. Proves that the targets are not considered the base. n/t |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
66. I finally got that message myself. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
68. People who think Obama is like Bush are not our base. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:31 PM Response to Reply #68 |
183. Teabaggers love Bush. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
71. Amen, Phoebe. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
72. Excellent post |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
74. The Obama=Bush people are NOT the base. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
87. A strawman using a strawman, fascinating! |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. There are tons of people here today actively arguing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #89 |
114. DU is overwhelmingly a community that supports and works for Democrats |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 07:35 AM Response to Reply #114 |
220. Good post |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #89 |
234. But that is not what Gibbs and your newly adopted strawman argument are trying to stablish |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
75. Glad you got it. I hope everyone does and soon. nt |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
77. I'm not sure how much clearer they can make it. nt |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
78. KandR. |
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Phlem (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
79. Exactly |
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Stoic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
80. What Phoebe said. K&R n/t |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
82. R& |
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toadzilla (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
84. I just changed my voter registration to "no party affiliation" last week. |
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csziggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
92. Now I've sent a message to them - I have unsubscribed from every mailing list |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
94. How are people who bash him at every turn "his base?" |
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South End Liberal (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. There's a big difference between bashing and criticism. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #94 |
133. I ALWAYS vote. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
99. Indeed. nt |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
100. you can certainly anticipate even worse |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. Why would that happen? I mean, the Democrats would have to chase their base away with a stick first |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:00 PM Response to Reply #117 |
151. They would. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
101. Huey Long wasn't FDR's base. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 03:48 AM Response to Reply #101 |
208. oh good grief.. the broken record keeps spinnin' and skippin' on the same spots!!!!!!!!! |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
103. Yes. The message is quite clear now |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
105. I always thought that people who were DIFFERENT from the Repubilcans were the base |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
109. There are some Dems that would sell the entire party for a wooden nickle. |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
110. Well said |
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Eyerish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
116. K&R |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
118. They were not taking shots at the base, they were taking shots at unreasonable critics |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
119. Your phrase "left of center liberals" ... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #119 |
153. I'll bite. |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 07:27 AM Response to Reply #153 |
219. I don't buy it. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 11:08 AM Response to Reply #219 |
238. You don't have to buy anything for it to be real. nt |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
120. Looks like "The Left" needs its own Tea Party. I'd be down with that! n/t |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. The Tea Party has advantages. |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
121. I can take a hint.... |
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Spheric (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
123. K&R /nt |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
127. we get it. (how to lose votes 101) |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
132. The people who really disapprove of Obama are too few... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:50 PM Response to Reply #132 |
155. So you don't need our votes then. Cool, he's not getting mine again anyway. |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #155 |
235. But that is what they have done from day one: wanting to have it both ways |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
137. It's as amazing... |
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wiggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
140. also interesting will be what happens to Gibbs. As we know, PObama abhors |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
143. The Banksters are Obama's base. |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
144. Great post Phoebe. K&R |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
145. Wonder who will GOTV for the corporatists? |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #145 |
199. mercenaries. it's obama's job creation program... |
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KakistocracyHater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
146. +1,000,000,000,000 |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
147. I have been kind of embarrassed. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
148. K&R...It's hard to know what to think about all this anymore... We thought we elected |
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maritzasolito (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
154. I agree with Gibbs and no need to apologize |
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SlingBlade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
156. Guess What Gibbs .... |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
159. Great post |
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droidamus2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
162. What's really sad |
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maritzasolito (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
165. "Being wrong while being right" |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #165 |
177. Another night another nut. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:35 PM Response to Reply #165 |
184. "the most Liberal president in decades" |
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maritzasolito (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
166. "Being wrong while being right" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
175. I hope we've all got the message loud and clear now -- |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
178. Nice work, Phoebe. This ex-Obama contributor/campaign worker is WITH YOU. rec |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
179. kr |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
181. Yes, yes and yes! |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
182. One thing about Bush- he knew who his base was |
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Vincevega (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-10-10 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
185. Enough already |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
186. I didn't know the left was the base. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #186 |
191. silly boy |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 03:53 AM Response to Reply #191 |
210. lol... sadly, it feels like that at times. since we're "fucking retarded" and our liberal leaders |
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bbgrunt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
188. perfectly said, Phoebe. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #188 |
189. I agree. n/t |
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Kalun D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
190. Good Post |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 07:38 AM Response to Reply #190 |
221. And "middle-of-the-road" liberals, too |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
194. K&R |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
202. Terrific Post Phoebe ! Thank you! K&R!! eom |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
204. Wow! Well said!!!!! |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
205. ...the corporate media is playing "Divide and Conquer" with Democrats. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
207. message was received when the president-elect chose RAHM........ and that's the fact, jack! |
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Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
213. Wonderful post. Sums it all up quite neatly. KnR |
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WVRICK13 (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
214. We Have Two Parties |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
217. I got it long ago, but what are our options? |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
218. I've known Progressives had no choice but to settle for the more benign party |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
222. I'm fairly curious as to the validity of |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:24 AM Response to Reply #222 |
230. Those who voted for him should be his BASE.. But, we are told Corporations gave him more money... |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
223. gibbs is right - the lazy left votes, blogs, and whines |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #223 |
232. And, so many of us hoped he'd reorganize the FCC to do some Anti-Trust action agains the RW Media |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-10 09:34 AM Response to Reply #232 |
243. garbage |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #243 |
246. lazy ignorant left? |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
224. Thanks for this post |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
225. People who equate Obama with Bush are NOT the base for the |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:12 AM Response to Reply #225 |
227. A strawman repeated ad nauseum a valid argument becomes not. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:21 AM Response to Reply #227 |
229. You are the one puffing up your strawman. Gibbs specifically was attacking people who equated Obama |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #229 |
236. LOL, and here you come with a strawman of a strawman using a strawman |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #236 |
237. "Even though Gibb's words are on the record for everyone to read." |
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POAS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #237 |
247. And next on the agenda will be |
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Loudmxr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
226. Americans aren't any good at forming parties. |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
239. "the New Democrat agenda"....i.e., "New World Order" |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
240. K&R |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-10 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
245. Nice post. I, for one, take no pleasure in being correct about my |
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