Could Hillary Clinton Replace Joe Biden?

[yurbud]

Source: Atlantic Wire

Heather Horn Heather Horn – Tue Aug 10, 9:52 am ET

WASHINGTON, DC – The idea that Hillary Clinton would make a good vice-presidential pick for Obama in 2012 is gaining steam. The Wire covered Sally Quinn's op-ed on the topic back in June, and former Virginia governor Douglas Wilder's case for Clinton in Politico last week. But could it really happen? The debate is on:

* She Doesn't Want the Job "Would Clinton want to be vice president?" Asks P.J. Aroon at Foreign Policy's Madam Secretary blog. "Based on what she has said when asked about any presidential ambitions for 2016, it seems like she's ready to transition out of government after serving as secretary of state." Aroon reviews the quotes.

* Of Course She Does, retorts Newsweek's Howard Fineman. "Listen, I've covered Hillary for a long, long time," he says on the Chris Matthews Show. "It's Hillary. It's who she is. She's watched Barack Obama. I think in her mind she's saying he's done some good things but there are things I would have done much, much better. ... And if it's possible to work out the deal to get on the ticket, absolutely she would take it in a second."
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* What's More, She's Needed, argues New York Magazine's John Heilemann on the same show. "Right now, with a white approval rating in the mid-thirties, having won forty-three percent of the white vote," Obama could use some help, he says. "Having her on the ticket would be a huge advantage with those voters and would inject a huge amount of energy into the ticket that you would never get with Biden."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/20100810/cm_atlantic/couldhillaryclintonreplacejoebiden4657_1

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Maybe this is some deal Hillary and Obama made before the election: instead of giving her VP immediately, give her Sec of State to add some breadth and gravitas to her resume, then put her in as VP at half time to tee her up to run for president.

Or she is lobbying for it behind the scenes.

Or this story is right wing bullshit because they're mad all their anti-Hillary talking points went to waste.

[Skink]

1. Presidential campaign season

:woohoo:

[CakeGrrl]

2. Oh, not again

Gotta love the notion that Obama could increase his support from white voters by replacing one white VP with another.

:rofl:

[karynnj]

19. If you didn't know better, you would assume that Biden was black form the comment

The lowest category for Obama is white MEN - you could make the argument that Biden actually is more help.

[MidwestTransplant]

23. Haven't you seen Biden, he is sort of tan. Hillary, now she is pastie white!

[onehandle]

3. Yes, but it will not happen. This is fantasy and opinion, not LBN. nt

[yurbud]

10. I'd rather see the women in your sig line as VP or president

[onehandle]

26. Agreed. nt

[notesdev]

4. There's a reason she wasn't picked in the first place

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/23/AR2008052303158.html

Nobody smart enough to make it to a Presidential nomination would be dumb enough to make her his VP.

[karynnj]

22. That's idiotic and would rule out many of the VPs we have had

Biden and Gore both ran for President and lost very badly. Your argfument would lead to pick only people who never ran or John Kerry, Mondale, or Dukakis - who all won the nomination.

Unless Biden is ill, and he looks the picture of health, changing VP before the 2012 election looks weak. Changing after Biden helps him win, looks ungrateful.

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[BlueCheese]

30. Oh goodness.

Are you seriously suggesting that Hillary Clinton would try to have Barack Obama assassinated?

[BlueCheese]

31. Why anyone would want to be VP...

... is beyond me. It's a powerless position of no real importance, unless the unthinkable happens. Has Joe Biden done anything of consequence since becoming VP?

Edit: Meant to be a reply to the original thread.

[blondeatlast]

39. I'd like to think I didn't just read that--but I did.

:wow:

[alp227]

5. What is this? I don't even...

I wouldn't buy any report that claims that Hillary will help Obama with white voters. What, Biden's...err...?

[Gman]

6. Obama would carry 49 states

All but Alaska. She would seal it in 2012.

[yurbud]

11. why? the symbolic F you to the right by picking their bete noire?

It would energize the right, possibly score some points with independents because of her celebrity status, but further demoralize the base of the party by cementing control in the hands of the minority corporate wing of the party.

[karynnj]

24. You can back this up???

The fact is that Obama is a heavy favorite at this point to win - no matter who the VP is.

[JDPriestly]

7. I don't think I would vote for an Obama/Hillary ticket.

I will never forget the hateful, arrogant, disdainful way the Hillary Clinton treated the women from Code Pink when they begged her to oppose the Iraq War. The Code Pink women had been to Iraq and talked to people there. They were better informed than Hillary. She was downright rude to them.

I have not liked Hillary Clinton since I saw that video. There is something seriously wrong with her.

[jobycom]

29. Was that the 2003 video before the war?

I just watched that again to see if I remembered it wrong. She was polite and took the time to explain why she disagreed with them, and they ganged up on her and sniped at her back as she was leaving. She wasn't rude or arrogant or disdainful in any way that I saw, especially given that she was outnumbered and had to deliver a message they didn't want to hear. She actually listened to them, unlike a lot of pols. I disagreed with her statements then, and still do, and side with Code Pink on Iraq, but I don't see any rudeness, arrogance or disdain.

Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong clip? Did she diss them some other time?

[Gman]

36. Why should HIllary be associated with people that make asses of themselves?

Can't blame her on this one.

[theoldman]

8. Nothing in politics ever surprises me.

Hillary is the most popular person in the Obama administration. Biden does not have any further political ambition. Who knows, maybe Obama will not run in 2012 and support Hillary for president.

[jobycom]

9. That's how you sell papers.

One journalist says "Someone on the Internet said Hillary should replace Joe." The next journalist says "The buzz around the office is that Hillary Clinton might replace Joe Biden." All the news outlets pick it up, all of them bring in experts to yak about it as though they know something, and all of them have paychecks for another week.

The MSM is Amway with a satellite.

[yurbud]

15. we should get better at doing that to the other side.

Did you know John Boehner's name was originally spelled ''Baner'' but he changed it to Boehner to make people think of an erection?

[jobycom]

32. We're pretty bad about it, too.

Look at the BP coverage. You had people complaining at some points that oil was raining down on crops, and then later that the oil couldn't possibly have evaporated. Our problem is lack of ability to be inconsistent and make shit up, our problem is that the other side owns the media so our made-up shit doesn't get the airplay that their made-up shit does. :)

[BeyondGeography]

12. Some people are just too bored

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. This absolutely WILL happen

Bank it.

[cyr330]

14. I'd rather she replace Obama.

Ideologically, I'm not as close to her, but at LEAST she knows how to fight and isn't afraid of it.

[Nostradammit]

27. Yep. She was a bulldog for Wal-Mart.

She'd probably do wonders for Corporate America­® as the VP.

[dipsydoodle]

16. I don't think she could help

run a tap let alone an Administration.

[slampoet]

17. Whoever wrote this doesn't seem to understand what a vice president is.

[Warpy]

18. Not just no, HELL NO

Oh, she's grown into the job of SOS nicely. However, I don't want her, and by extension the DLC, a heartbeat away from the presidency.

I didn't support either Clinton or Obama in the primaries. Both are more conservative than this country needs. Leave Biden where he is. He's at least less dogmatic and more practical.

[PBS Poll-435]

20. Like I have said before in a previous thread...

There is just not enough popcorn or Brawndo for DU today.


:)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Well, they're both DLC. What difference would it make?

[joe_sixpack]

25. Laugh if you want....

but I actually think this was agreed to when Biden got VP and she took the Sec of State job. I believe I might have actually posted something to that affect after the election. I think it's going to happen.

[Arkansas Granny]

33. It seems that someone brings this up at least once a week to give the

die hards a chance to trash Hillary. I guess they don't have it all out of their systems yet.

Is there any reason for anyone of us to believe that this is even being considered? I don't think so.

[joe_sixpack]

34. It makes sense, unless

she's giving up on achieving the presidency. As the VP, she'd almost certainly not be challenged in the primary, and the first female VP isn't a bad consolation if you can't become the first female POTUS.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

35. I laugh everytime someone says they won't vote for Barack if Hillary is on the ticket.

Yeah right.

If they are so "pure", they wouldn't vote for him in 2012 anyway.


Everyone who still supports Barack right now will still vote for him in 2012 should Hillary be his VP (they will have a change of heart if she were to be the VP nominee).




(Oh, and don't worry... Hillary would never "pull a Teddy" and Primary Barack).

:D


P.S. - This post doesn't apply to those who say they won't vote for him in 2012 anyway. I'm just laughing at those who support him now but say they won't if Hillary is the VP candidate.

[yellowwood]

37. That Would Be Discouraging

Of course, I would still vote for Obama. He'd have to do something pretty awful for me to vote against him and for any candidate that the Republicans might put forward.

But I have never been a Hillary supporter. She's been talking tough and militaristic ever since I started paying attention to her. She did not regret her vote for the Iraq war resolution. Oh, I know, she represented NY where the war was widely supported, but she could still have voted her conscience. (Such a unique idea!)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary

I'm already disappointed that Obama has expanded the war. The addition of Hillary to his ticket would be the last straw.

[hughee99]

38. You need more "breadth and gravitas" to be SoS than VP.

You read stories these days about Hillary doing important things, and talking with important people. You see stories about Biden only when he says something stupid.

[dembotoz]

40. oh yuck

nothing against hillary
but prefer Biden