You want "Canadian" Health Care = Freep Languange

[meow mix]

Mr gibbs betrayed what lurks in his heart.

He sounds just like any of the knuckle-draggers around town.. watching beck and listening to drugball.
perhaps he can elaborate on his views of this evil-communist canadian system because id love to hear it.

[sandnsea]

1. No. Because there aren't enough votes in Congress for it

And he knows it. Most of DU knows it. Most of the Democratic Party knows it.

I wonder what's wrong with the heads of the people who don't know it too.

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[inna]

3. your condescension/verbal abuse is uncalled for and really disgusting.

and should be against the rules.

:puke:

[golddigger]

6. Is that you Gibbs?

[babylonsister]

8. Yea, reality sucks, doesn't it. nt

[Chef Eric]

11. Yes, and it will suck even more in November...

when thousands of disgruntled Democrats, many of whom are fed up with the WH's condescension, choose to sit out the election.

[babylonsister]

14. Oh, Chef, that will solve so much. This is politics 101 fyi.

You mean people who get their feelings hurt will and should go home?
Ugh.
Then we deserve the rethugs, if the Dems are that thin-skinned.

[Chef Eric]

24. I don't know if they should stay home, but I won't be surprised if they do.

And I really don't think it's the condescension alone that turns people off. It's also the context in which the condescension occurs. Just a few weeks have gone by since Vilsack fired a woman because he was afraid of what Fox was going to say about her. And somehow, the WH is concerned about the LEFT? The LEFT is not the problem here. The problem is the RIGHT and the absurd power that it seems to have over the Obama administration.

In my opinion, what Gibbs said is stupid, and what Vilsack did is stupid. On the other hand, the Democratic congressional candidates should not be punished for that. But we shall see.

[BzaDem]

18. It will only really suck for the "disgruntled Democrats" you speak of.

After all, incumbents who lose usually have plenty of money and get cushy lobbying jobs with high salaries and generous benefits.

The WH will still be there, and if the Republicans win they won't have to worry about progressive expectations anymore (and it gives them something to run against, which helped Clinton tremendously in 1996).

Yeah. It really only sucks for the people that are crazy enough to stay home. They are the ones that suffer most under Republican policies. Not the people that they hate.

Reality sucks sometimes doesn't it.

[EFerrari]

19. You were just arguing this morning that politics isn't like marriage.

This must be some of that pragmatism over consistency I keep hearing out.

lol

[BzaDem]

It isn't, because in marriage you have somewhere else to go.

In politics, you may have somewhere else to go to complain and whine, but you don't have anywhere else to go if you are interested in how this country is governed.

Not sure what that has to do with my post above though.

[BzaDem]

22. It isn't, because in marriage you have somewhere else to go.

In politics, you may have somewhere else to go to complain and whine, but you don't have anywhere else to go if you are interested in how this country is governed.

Not sure what that has to do with my post above though.

[EFerrari]

16. Yours does, apparently. n/t

[babylonsister]

20. Nice. Uncalled for, but then you've been there, done that. Bye. nt

[golddigger]

17. Yea, and verbal abuse will make a person

run out to vote for the abuser.

[Zenlitened]

21. The cobwebs on the bully pulpit suggest no real effort was made...

... to tap into the enormous, overwhelming support for something approaching Canadian-style health care.

So to say simply that the "votes weren't there" is a bit disingenuous, no?

The bully pulpit, the focusing and harnessing of public opinion as a means to sway Congress.... these are all tools that practical-minded political folks ought to embrace and make use of, IMO.

[HEyHEY]

4. Get your own healthcare!

This one's ours.

[inna]

5. and how do you like it? (seriously)

[HEyHEY]

9. It's fine. I get hurt, I go in to the hospital, don't pay a dime and leave.

I may have to pay for say crutch rental or put a deposit down on them if I need to. In my experience I've been in the hospital three times;

- sprained ankle I thought was broken
- pellet gun shot to the chest (surgery required)
- Dislocated shoulder

Never paid a dime, excpet for my yearly premiums of about $40 every three months. The care was fine, timely and properly done. It would be MUCH better, but right wing forces in the country like to do their best to underfund public healthcare so they can make a case for private clinics. Something needs to be done about that.

[inna]

13. Thank you! That's what I thought.

On the disturbing part though... I keep hearing that the right-wing forces are trying to dismantle the social contract everywhere in the civilized world (i.e., Europe, Canada, etc.)... Something indeed needs to be done.


Solidarity.

[EFerrari]

7. Oh, no kidding. It took a while to sink in but sadly, yes,

That's exactly how he sounds.

[Barack2theFuture]

10. Gibbs is a soulless ass.

If you cut him, he'd bleed hot air.

[LostInAnomie]

12. Did I miss something? Were there 60 votes in the Senate for a system similar to Canada's?

[babylonsister]

15. Quit it! Reality has a bias today! nt

[BlueCheese]

23. Let me explain it.

It's not the administration's fault that we got an inadequate, heavily watered-down health insurance bill because there weren't 60 votes in the Senate to do anything better.

It's in the Constitution that the Senate needs 60 votes to do anything. (Wait, it's not? Fifty? Really? Well, it should be 60.)

The President is not a member of the Senate, and as such has no influence whatsoever on what the Senate does.

What he does is sit in a sealed chamber in the White House, waiting for Congress to deliver proposed laws to him, which he can sign or veto. Other than that, he does not communicate with Congress in any way. Even if he could, they wouldn't listen to him. It's a lot like being in solitary confinement.

Nonetheless, when Congress does pass something, the President deserves most of the credit for it.

How did the dim and incompetent George W. Bush manage to get Congress to pass so many things, even when the Democrats held a majority in the Senate? Why would you ask such a question? Do you really want Obama to act like Bush? Don't we want to do the opposite of what Bush did?

What did you say about a bully pulpit? Do you see the phrase "bully pulpit" in the Constitution? Does the "bully pulpit" have any votes in the Senate? Since when have presidents ever succeeded in convincing the public of anything? That's just silly.

Is everything clear now?

[BzaDem]

25. Bush passed tax cut legislation through reconciliation. ANWR drilling, SS privatization, and

immigration all failed, as those couldn't go through reconciliation.

Any other questions?

[Chef Eric]

26. You just made me laugh in disgust. Thanks, I think! nt

[Zenlitened]

27. LOL!

:hi: