Ok, let's all close our eyes and take a deep breath

[Monique1]

Let me say, I did not like Gibb's comments today. We got that straight? Now I ask you why so many threads on Gibbs and very little comments on the repukes?
We here at DU let these idiot repukes get away with whatever they want to say. We gang up on our own but not the opposition. I have a problem with that.

We have members on this board who are living on the very edge, some with little income or no income, some with extreme health problems, some with low income and health problems and we have veterans deported for a bounce check, we have homelessness at an alarming rate, and we have major increase in hate groups and who is pushing all of this? The repukes and some corporate democrats! Meanwhile more and more suffer and fight to keep their sanity so who is the real problem? Is it Gibb's statement? Is it Michelle's trip? Or is it the suffering in America? Is it Obama?

Today I heard the food stamps are being cut which is already so low these people will need to receive help from the depleted food banks. But, if one cannot get to a food bank, what is the alternative?

I thought people at DU cared about one another but I only see the caring in time of death or great illness.

It is time for priorities to be set. What are your priorities? Is it time for us to pick up the pieces and progress? Is this what you want or do you want to live in the Bush era? I know some of you are going to come after me but that is okay. Our future and our children and our grandchildren must learn that we are fighting for them and not against them. If you have no children do I get the understanding you don't care about the future?

It is time to come together that is all I can say. I am very frustrated that people just want to argue against anything that people want positive.

I guess what I am saying, we are so busy arguing with each other that we are not watching the opposition or working for their demise.

Many say we must hold the Dems feet to the fire, oh really? Are you doing the same to the repukes? Oh, we need to show those repukes we are better and more honest. Sure! I don't disagree but while you do that make it even, do the same to the repukes. Why don't you fight for the Dems? You do quite well forgetting the repukes wrongs.

I hope I don't get kicked off of here and I am not sure I made my point but I think I did. Let me make it clear, I'm not fingerpointing but the fingers will be pointed at me for sure. Have a wonderful evening.

[ibegurpard]

1. you're concerned about food stamps

the president threated to veto legislation that would've diverted funds from his "reform" to gut public schools in favor of charter schools ...and they instead took the money from food stamps.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[RoseMead]

2. And that does sting.

If it were really good educational reform, it might have been a good, if hard, choice. But from what I can see, there's not much to like about the current "reform" that's underway.

[Monique1]

3. Sorry don't smoke a pipe

[SargeUNN]

6. Food Stamps vs. Education

what a freaking choice, but meanwhile did you hear about Gibbs and his statement. I am so mad at Gibbs, what? People living 9 times below the poverty level loses a few food stamps, so what, that Gibbs what a bum. So what if a veteran awarded a medal for bravery got deported for a bounced check, let's talk about what a jerk Gibbs is, we don't need that mexican looking veteran. :sarcasm:

[Forkboy]

37. The whole point is to make anyone who chooses either side to look like an idiot.

Reagan would love the approach.

[Better Today]

4. "...and very little comments on the repukes"... because on days like today,

we are reminded that we have a Democratic majority in both houses and a Dem President who are as, or more, guilty of screwing us... of not going to the mat for the ideals they expressed in their campaigns, the change that they promised. I guarantee you, I've felt change, for the worse. My life is considerably more tenuous today than is was in 2008, that's not the repukes fault, that's Obama's fault, that's the BlueDogs' faults.

[TheKentuckian]

5. We have zero influence over the Republicans to hold their feet to anything and our complicit leaders

that could actually hold them to account for the worst of their crimes absolutely refuse to do so.

Ranting about the Republicans being evil, racist, criminal, soulless, bigoted, hypocritical, greedy fuckheads is therapeutic but seems pretty much screaming about the sky being blue.

Demanding Democrats work for the people or die is where I have some small power.

[Monique1]

7. You are missing the point

[me b zola]

And I believe that it is *you* who is missing the point

[SargeUNN]

12. HUH????

let me get this straight you know what the point the OP was making and the OP doesn't? WOW you are special indeed.

[me b zola]

8. dupe/delete

:blush:

[Monique1]

9. I'm not holding the repukes feet to the fire for therapy

put the feet where they belong and that is the repukes.

[Monique1]

10. Go ahead and tear the Dems apart

but I will vote a straight Dem ticket. Do what you want.

[Monique1]

11. Okay, I'm getting it here

I think there are the same posters with different names.

[Bluebear]

44. Who else are you? :)

[Canuckistanian]

19. The least you could do is FIGHT for the Dems you WANT on the ballot

Instead of passively voting for whatever comes down the pipe.

Concentrate on that PIPE.

[MadMaddie]

26. I am with you Monique1!

I actually voted for the Republican Attorney General of WA because he actually was doing a good job. The bastard then turned around and jumped on the Healthcare lawsuit bandwagon. I wrote him a blistering letter and told him that I would participate in his defeat at the next election.

Straight Democratic Ticket!

[TheKentuckian]

29. Well then please elaborate

[Ruby the Liberal]

14. +1

[Monique1]

16. You also have the power

Let your rants against the repuke crimes be heard. Keep doing it I am.

Yes, I plan to meet with my senators and congressmen while they are on vacation.

[Ruby the Liberal]

13. The difference is between being slapped in the face and stabbed in the back.

Its difficult for those of us who make endless calls and knock on endless doors to be called "fucking retarded" by the CoS and told by the WH Spox that we need to be "drug tested" for voicing disappointment re: campaign promises and actual action.

[SargeUNN]

15. do you get the point of the post?

Today the Democratic Controlled House passed a bill that cuts food stamps to fund education. While certainly the teachers jobs are important why is it that people who are hurting the worse have to make such a sacrifice they can't absorb and yet here today the dominate topic is how pissed we are at Gibb's statement and how he offended us. Meanwhile we hardly talked about the bill that passed. We have people right here (I am one of them) that needs those few stamps to survive because we are forced to live on nothing or next to nothing, but instead of being angry about that the theme here is screw Gibbs. Well while Gibbs statement is stupid and outrageous, I think it is far more outlandish that we who are already hurting as bad as we can hurt are asked to give up more. That I think is the point of the OP.

[Ruby the Liberal]

17. Nope - the point came in at about 5'11" and I am 5'9"'

Went right over my head. :blush:

[TheKentuckian]

The same fuckwits that use your food as a bargaining chip think like Gibbs

Some of us have been raising the alarm on this very "chicken" before it came home to roost and got blown off by "pragmatic liberals" and "sensible centrists" with a bunch of chess crap and was greeted today as cause for celebration.

We can only get by so long on compromise with the intractable, denial, fear, and one sided solidarity.

[SargeUNN]

48. well I certainly know this

I have seen the progressive community that once did not take it, they saved me from being murdered by Haley Barbour after I saved people from being put on the streets, but then I watched as Obama took office and progressives started bashing him, then stop supporting progressives because they were angry at Obama which let to the collapse of our strongest progressive voice here in Phoenix. Today I wouldn't step out on that limb because truthfully the right would be sawing it off and some of our progressives would come by and grab a saw and start sawing from the other side, then ask why Sarge didn't speak up for them as he was falling. I certainly can understand being upset with some stuff on Obama, but to throw him away is stupid and self defeating. I am glad that attitude wasn't here after Katrina or I would be dead right now.

[sendero]

18. We expect the people who are..

.. ostensibly on our team to BE on our team. We don't expect jack shit from the Republicans. And we sure don't expect a Democrat to legislate like the typical Republican.

[SargeUNN]

21. so in the mean time

what do you think we should do about this taking food stamps from people who are hanging by a ravelled threat, gripe about what a stupid punk Gibbs is or try to get it funded a different method? I want to know what good griping about Gibbs is going to do when people will be ruined that are barely hanging on. Isn't that more important?

[sendero]

23. Obama has not done nearly enough..

.. for those people, what is your fucking point?

[SargeUNN]

24. dah

are you really not understanding or what? I think you are so into the blame that you can't see a problem and work to fix it. Stop all the blame and get on the phone and do something about it. You might not get results but at least you are working to solve something instead of griping and being insulted by Gibbs and such. Heck I am barely hanging on, lost most use of my right shoulder and arm, do without some needed stuff yet I can still call. I will raise hell about this cut in stamps but without help from some of you gripers I will be left dead and I will see you get the credit for my death.

[sendero]

28. I am so into ..

... the disappointment. I thought, after 8 long years, that we'd get some relief from the total control of our government by corporate interests and the military industrial complex.

We got none of that.

I guess you think your chances are better with Dems but I can't see why. This administration has done damn near nothing for progressives who want to help the less fortunate in our society, that is why I am disgusted with them.

Obama is a failure of Shakespearean proportions IMHO. He was given a once-in-a-generation opportunity to make a difference and he has squandered it completely with nonsense legislation that looks good only on a scorecard.

It will take a miracle for him to retain the house and frankly IMHO even to get re-elected.

Blame Obama for your problems, not me.

[SargeUNN]

30. oh give me a break

You sound like a child that wanted a high priced bike and had to settle with a less expensive one so they hated their parents for not getting the high priced one they couldn't afford. Meanwhile the kid down the street living in a box would feel rich to get a used bike.

The point is yes Obama has not changed everything but I had enough sense to realize he would have to start the change. Change on this massive scale doesn't happen in 2 years or even 4 years, but change can start and have. Obama has done some good things and he has missed on others. I am still on board although I get as mad as hell at some stuff, but I also realize he said, "Make me do it" and within a month after he took office we started declaring we were done with him. Well, with that kind of support who needs it. Meanwhile others like myself could use your help in raising your voice and getting us the help we need. Cutting food stamps for me is likely to push me over that line of not being able to make it and I would rather you stand up and fight instead of worrying about some stupid statement or thinking enough has not been done. How much change do you think McCain would have made? Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[sendero]

35. You know...

... the clown and pony argument is not going to work, so give it a rest.

Good luck to you.

[SargeUNN]

43. Clown and pony you got to be kidding

listen buddy, you think I am making this stuff up? You are so full of it that I find you about as hideous as a republican with your lack of concern. Yep pal, I am a disabled Vietnam Era Vet, I served in 2 branches of the military and got hurt. I lost my earning capacity due to it and got screwed on my pension when Reagan was in office, and eventually got a small pension for it. Meanwhile I did get on SSI which limits me to less than 630 a month and 80 in food stamps. I survived Katrina and put my life on the line for the people which forced me to move to arizona to save my life. I have fought where gripers like you only wait for someone else to do it and when someone like me needs your help all we get is your pathetic scorn. I am ashamed for you since you don't have the ability to realize what a pathetic statement you have made.

[TheKentuckian]

46. Whatever Sarge. People have been on this for a while and it wasn't the hippie punchers for sure

Can't we all just get along and patient acceptance of the stray crumb is not going to win any days.

Our people did this. Our people pitted food for the hungry against teachers and firefighters. This is who we are dealing, these are our friends.

[SargeUNN]

49. dont tell me tell that guy

who made the statement. He is the one that attacked me and the one you need to address not me.

[Skittles]

20. that's the problem

Democrats getting slammed by Gibbs and not repukes / teabaggers - it is FUCKED UP

[Bluebear]

33. Thank you.

[Capn Sunshine]

22. The contents of your post are so right on

the great wailing of many DUers against their own kind ( remember Hillary vs Barack?) is almost too much to bear. In the meantime, the lockstep right is doing daily damage with little in the way of organized resistance.

[red red red]

25. I agree with your post... Well said n/t

[Bluebear]

27. Why does GIBBS comment so little on the 'repukes' and so much on the drug-influenced "left"?

[Monique1]

31. Maybe if the left would stop gripping

Gibbs would have something to say against the repukes.

[Bluebear]

32. Well we have plenty to "grip" about. Sorry it upsets you.

[SargeUNN]

36. griping is like a rocking chair

it gives you something to do but doesn't get anything done. The hard cold fact is most don't back up their gripes with action just more gripes meanwhile someone like myself watches as their lives fall into a black hole and believe me I would rather see more talking about how outraged they are at food stamps being cut instead of how angry they are at gibbs stupid statement. His statement won't push anyone over that line of being able to live, but cutting food stamps could. What is your priority?

[Bluebear]

39. Your judging me or what I do is quite irrelevant. I don't report to you.

[Monique1]

38. But why are we not gripping on the obstruction?

What do you want Obama to do when the repukes say no to everything? Do you call the repukes offices and say anything? Just wondering because I do.

We can gripe and we can gripe over and over and over. We need to nail the repukes. They are enjoying this entire obstruction. They are because what it is doing is creating a division within the Democratic voters and the party. They will succeed this way.

[Bluebear]

41. Oh, what did the repukes block when we had the majority? Sorry, more 'gripping' ahead.

[Individualist]

34. No, let's keep our eyes open

and expose DLC's shitty stunts for what they are.

[Monique1]

40. Repukes and Teabaggers infiltrate here

maybe we should do the same to them.

[Bluebear]

42. You being here for 2 months doesn't give you a lot of stock to call people infiltrators. Sorry!

[Monique1]

45. Don't say that

because I actually have been here for 6 yrs. I just been observing for that length of time. Never down play an observer, they see more than you think.

I don't like this newbie garbage either. I am not stupid what goes on. My strong points are observation and intuition.

[Monique1]

47. By the way Bluebear

I'm almost 69 years old and have been involved in politics for years. I was a precinct committeewoman in Illinois and was campaigning door to door when I was 9 mos. pregnant. I did receive a personal invitation to attend Jimmy Carter's Inauguration which I attended. I know a little bit of politics.

[Bluebear]

50. That's grand, it really is. But it doesn't excuse Gibbs OR you calling the left "gripers"

It's majorly disrespectful.