The "professional left" message boiled down

[BootinUp]

Our support for Obama is very limited we will kick his ass every chance we get to move him in the correct direction.


(yes I stole and paraphrased this from another member who summed it up so well)


Obama's implied response: Ok, expect to get kicked back.

[superduperfarleft]

1. Why should Obama be kicking the people whose votes he'd like to earn or keep? n/t

[valerief]

3. Because Gibbs is still his press secretary. nt

[superduperfarleft]

4. I'm not sure I understand your response.

Do you mean that because Obama has to defend his buddy Gibbs, he has to allow him to insult part of his base in an election year?

[w4rma]

15. It's obvious that Obama would rather lose the votes of his base rather than his press secretary.(nt)

[superduperfarleft]

22. I think he and his administration are just ridiculously tone-deaf at times.

Of course, he's got his die-hard supporters on DU who strive to make it look even worse.

[valerief]

27. He obviously doesn't care about us, because he's still got Gibbs working for him. nt

[BootinUp]

6. Maybe some of them will pull heads from rear orifices

and focus on the upcoming election.

[superduperfarleft]

10. Yes, insulting potential voters is definitely the best way to win them over. n/t

[BootinUp]

13. If a small but loud segment of voters picks a public fight

and ignores other attempts at communication, I don't know why they would expect any different result.

[superduperfarleft]

21. I guess I give Obama a lot more credit than you.

Even if I may disagree vehemently with him on certain policy issues, I still don't believe that he is as much of a petty, mean-spirited child as some of his supporters on DU are.

[BootinUp]

24. All I see is name-calling, not a meaningful reply. nt

[GreenArrow]

23. Because they make a nice scapegoat?

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[Warpy]

2. Other parts of the message

were that wanting the type of health insurance system that provides twice the care at half the price is just as crazy as leaving this country defenseless by abolishing the military; and that anybody who doesn't think the way the DLC does has got to have their brains fried on drugs.

And they wonder why we're annoyed.

Saying this sort of thing at any time is stupid and self defeating. Saying it in an election year when every single vote will count is monumentally stupid and self defeating.

[BootinUp]

5. Health care legislation is done for this year

we barely got it passed. Why do you want to beat the horse in the runup to the election? Do you all have a time machine or something?

[Warpy]

7. Excuse me? What does that have to do with anything?

The issue is the equation of a desire for more progressive legislation in the future with the complete abandonment of the military.

Nice try at a red herring but Gibbs stepped in major doo doo and we all know it and this is one of the ways he did it.

[BootinUp]

8. No, that is not the issue

The issue is frustation due to lack of understanding the process or any attempt to understand the process. Circular firing squads, etc.

[Lars39]

9. The "process" was cut at the fucking knees when single payer

was cut from even coming close to the damn table. And guess where that buck stops.

[BootinUp]

11. That buck was killed in something called an election

There is zero gain from bashing the admin over it, bashing the admin over that is most like a baby crying because it can't do anything for itself.

[Lars39]

12. Poor baby. Live in reality like the rest of us.

Like my SIL who just had her second mild stroke and did not go to the ER because she has no insurance.

[BootinUp]

16. I have never heard the administration say

the bills they signed were perfect or anywhere near to it. I do recall how long it took to get some of them through congress, and I recall the President doing what he could to maintain pressure on Congress to get it done.

[Tesha]

29. We understand the process all too well; we've seen it multiple times now.

We start with a fairly centrist Democratic position.
Obame and his minions then *GIVE AWAY* all of the
bargaining chips before negotiations even begin.

Then, when the proposal looks exactly like a proposal
Richard Nixon's Republican team would have delivered,
it goes to the House and they reluctantly vote for it.
Then it goes to the Senate where the Republicans and
the Blue Dog "Democrats" block it for being not completely
Neanderthal.

Obama's method of playing three-dimensional chess is
to sacrifice his queen, both bishops, and a rook and
a knight *BEFORE* the other side even begins playing,
and then he lets the other side make half his moves
'for" him.

Tesha

[LWolf]

14. You should be asking Gibbs, since he brought it up. nt

[BootinUp]

17. He was addressing critics of the administration

who have done nothing but bring it up over and over and over in an unending whine fest.

[Lars39]

18. Get used to it, 'cause we're not shutting up.

[BootinUp]

19. That advice goes both ways of course. nt

[LWolf]

20. Earned criticism is not a "whine fest." nt

[Individualist]

25. How dare you deviate from the approved talking point,

e.g. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8922428&mesg_id=8922428

Your handlers are going to be very upset with you.

[BootinUp]

26. I like your forum name. nt

[Tesha]

28. You barely got it passed because your politicians took the stupidest possible approach...

...to getting it passed. The very, very first thing
they did was water the legislation down to the point
of being meaningless in the completely vain hope that
they would get some Republicans to back it.

Your politicians had the folks on my side not only
banned from having "a seat at the table", but saw
them threatened with arrest if they came anywhere
near the negotiations.

Your politicians threw away the one feature (the
public option) that *MIGHT* have made the bill
palitable, the one feature that might have saved
it from being a complete giveaway of our money
to the insurance companies.

And now you want my vote? Somehow, I don't think
it's my side whose brains are fried by drugs,

Tesha