BP-motherfuckers-THIS IS NOT OK:"And I was like, I did, I am giving you the knife that stabbed me."

[kpete]

08.13.10 - 10:44 AM
Train Wreck: Who Is Going to Come Out and Tell Us This Is Not OK?

by Abby Zimet


Some of you may have Gulf and BP fatigue, especially with the mainstream media telling us everything's fine now, thanks. But scores of coastal communities remain contaminated by oil and Corexit 9500, many people are sick and getting sicker, and there is no sign of life in the area's vast waters. A long first-person account of the ongoing effects on animals and humans - and the cover-up of it - is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-cope/the-jaws-syndrome-life-im_b_674481.html Much comes from the plain-speaking Robyn Hill, a beach supervisor who wanted to know "what the hell was going on," even as she started vomiting and passing out from it.

***** "It's like a train wreck because you tell one person and they are yeah, ok and then you tell the next person and they are like yeah, ok but nobody really cares at the end of the day they are like ok so you all are getting sick down there. OK fine....And the workman's comp doctor says you realize we all live in Gulf Shores and if we report you got sick from the fumes that we will create a problem and that would not be a good situation to have. You can't just say you got sick from the fumes. And I was like, I did, I am giving you the knife that stabbed me." - Former Gulf Shores Beach Supervisor Robyn Hill

more:
http://www.commondreams.org/further/2010/08/13
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jerry-cope/the-jaws-syndrome-life-im_b_674481.html

Former Gulf Shores Beach Supervisor/Head of Security Beach Ambassador Robyn Hill by the Only Warning Sign on the Beach

[babydollhead]

1. kick

[Hissyspit]

40. Exxon Valdez survivor in June to clean-up workers: "Run away"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x479356

[lillypaddle]

2. We have to keep on this. nt.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

3. I am disgusted by how few DU'ers seem to give a crap about this

to hell with people's "fatigue" over it. :grr: :cry:

[Poboy]

5. This is why we are doomed.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

11. What do you think we should do to make an impact?

My husband and I talk of coming down there - to help, somehow. And I mean more than coming down to eat the seafood and spend money. But I can't think of anything we could actually DO to help. I don't think picking up tar balls for BP is a good use of efforts either. :(

[Poboy]

13. Really nothing you can do, other than keeping the information flow out to

the public by spreading artilces. Don't feel bad for not coming down.
Keeping this story alive is very helpful, and I thank you.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

19. Maybe Ill go to Gulf Shores, cover myself in BP oil and light a match

that ought to make the news

We really do care deeply about you all , and all the animals, and the Gulf shore and sea and sky

I see you're in NOLA... i miss that place.

[Lorien]

37. Write and call your reps. Tell them that the Gulf is part of America

and it's there job to defend and protect it.

[pitohui]

53. you'll feel pretty silly when you light that match and nothing happens

that looks like a typical sign that's on every beach, swim at your own risk, hell, they post "swim at your own risk" on swimming pools, do you think BP oiled the swimming pools

but, since you don't know anything about oil, i will share a fun fact w. you...when they were burning off the oil, you do understand, you can't just light a match and boom! the flames go up! erm, no

they first had to pour diesel fuel over the oil to get it to light, yeppers...you can look it up for yourself

so if you really want to go to gulf shores and set yourself on fire, you're going to have to stop at a gas station or truck stop first

in all seriousness, do you really think obama would be letting his kids play in the water if it was poison? do you think he would let his kids and wife eat poison?

the disaster was a bad thing, let's not make it even worse by blowing things totally out of proportion -- tourists need to stop running scared of their own shadows

[earth mom]

56. Quit the spin! Obama's kids aren't living in that crap 24/7!

You should be ashamed of yourself for promoting the lies and disinfo that BP is pushing! :puke:

And Obama should be too.

[Kermitt Gribble]

67. You obviously missed

the "Swimming Water Quality - Health Advisory" sign below the main sign.

[bertman]

75. I was down in Gulf Shores for an in-law's wedding three years ago.They

had those signs up on the beach then, but it was basically a warning about bacterial content due to the amount of sewage that gets dumped into the gulf from the communities like Gulf Shores, Biloxi, Pass Christian, Bay St. Louis, etc. etc.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

70. I realized that after I posted but didn't feel like changing it

figured the spirit of the concept was clear enough - BP gasoline is easy to come by, too.

Nobody is running around scared of their shadow over this. We are infuriated, horrified, and heartbroken all for appropriate reasons. Your comments are so absurd and out of touch they are hard to take seriously.

[dixiegrrrrl]

23. See if you can get flyers with FACTS and hand them out

in the beach parking lots.
Maybe take a pic of the "only" health warning sign, put on flyers.
there are numerous organizations in the area which may be able to help with flyers.

got to: al.com and Nola.com, register, and make comments on every single BP story.
that is what I do.

[Poboy]

24. Excellent suggestion, and thank you.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

26. YES- That is something I can do

Great idea.

[SugarShack]

42. Must make it into a HUGE issue, as BP creates a "dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico, announced today

the already existing "dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico, located near Louisiana, has now grown to double in size. This has been brought about by big Agri...it's fertilizer runoff into the Mississippi. Now we read up in Cape May, NJ, the bay is so stressed they just had a "fish kill" because of low oxygen in the water. Too many fish for the amount of oxygen existing in the water now we are told. CNN had that story. So the Gulf will have TWO huge dead zones when BP's disaster settles, what's left to settle. Our waters are stressed everywhere, and killing the fish. It's not just oil. It's mass growing of food and fertilizer/pesticide runoff. It's poisoned us as well. So it all needs to stop, we need to pay attention to the water. It's all ONE ocean.

Dead Zone Changes in the Gulf Aug 11, 2010 ... Scientists have found this year' s Gulf of Mexico dead zone to be the fifth ... It is nearly double that of 2009, which was smaller than average. ... “Despite fluctuations in the size of the dead zone due to short-term ...
www.scientificcomputing.com/news-DS-Dead-Zone-Changes-in-the-Gulf-081110.aspx

page of links on the existing dead zone in the Gulf:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1W1ADSA_en&q=gulf+dead+zone+doubles+in+size&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CZQVq6glmTPiBGYuEhQSl6PCFBgAAAKoEBU_Q3LhK

New Jersey fish kill and tar balls.
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=fish%20kills%20new%20jersey

[Kalyke]

15. Me too.

My heart is still broken at the loss of all those animals and/or their habitat.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

18. Same here

:(

[walldude]

28. Not only do they not give a crap but they are actively using the

Gibbs & Rahm School of Winning People Over by telling them they are "ignoring" the "facts". Of course they just can't imagine why I would want to "ignore" the "facts" when they come from BP. I can't find a more honest company :eyes:

[Lorien]

36. +1. I guess that if it doesn't effect them directly, or if they even see a HINT

of any criticisms of Obama or his administration then the suffering here is meaningless to them. Apparently empathy and concern for the environment are whacky ideas of the insignificant "Professional Left."

[spooked911]

41. I am disgusted by how few DUers give a crap that the official 9/11 story is a crock

-- given how much that event has cost us.

We all have our pet concerns.

I do care about this. But doing something about it is not so easy.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

46. i hear you - it is a hopeless feeling

At least you clicked on this thread. Hardly anyone is even looking at these articles it seems.

[spooked911]

74. part of the problem is that there is too much crap going down

it *IS* overwhelming and one hardly knows where to begin.

Certainly all the different scandals dilutes our efforts. I guess it does make sense that each of us concentrate on one main thing... getting justice is an other issue.

[defendandprotect]

47. A NJ paper here today had headline in other than front page section . . .

"BP has to be held accountable" . . .

but that's just the point -- WHY do we have to tell government that BP has to be

held accountable?

That's a automatic in my book!!

It's Obama and Congress who should be telling us how BP is going to be held accountable ---

including for the illnesses of Gulf residents!

This is GOP's "third world American" -- an America where there are limited expectations and

even lower results!!

[earth mom]

57. I totally hear you. I am furious and disgusted by the spin, lies and disinfo

I've seen here on DU about this.

Some people around here care more about how Obama is perceived and making sure he comes out smelling like a rose then they care about human life, wildlife and our planet!

I thought I'd seen enough spin to last a lifetime from the freepers about their precious *, but apparently not! :grr:

[fascisthunter]

68. .

[eowyn_of_rohan]

4. when did they stop allowing leashed dogs on Gulf Shores beach?

we last took our dog there in spring 2008

[snot]

6. Our worst fears . . .

[LaurenG]

7. This is frightening and the link provided below is very scary too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8936473&mesg_id=8936473

[HockeyMom]

8. How does anyone know where the dispersant has gone?

You can see the tar balls, but the dispersant? Where has it gone? Doesn't anyone know if the currents have taken it farther than the original site? What exactly is UNDER the waters now?

Anyone who has chosen to still follow this, can see reports of the cleanup workers getting sick, dolphins hemorrhaging, etc.

The media says everything is fine now. So what will happen to not just the people living along the Gulf, but all the tourists who will come back in Season and start swimming again the Gulf beaches?

Cover up, upon cover sup. The American people, not to mention the wildlife, will suffer in the long run.

[dipsydoodle]

12. What exactly is UNDER the waters now?

Assuming even distribution c. 1 part Corexit : 20,000,000 parts of water.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

14. how about animal life?

and those figures are pretty meaningless, really.

[dipsydoodle]

21. I answered a question - that was all

Its only basic maths - any half intelligent 11 year old could do that calculation. The other part, which I didn't mention , is the compostition which is a combination of more or less the same detergent you wash down the sink daily, 2-Butoxyethanol which is used in many houshold cleaners including some baby wipes and another product you'd buy at the chemists which is used to break up constipation. The oil droplets will eventually rise to the surface, oil being less dense than water, and evaporate.

Any loss of animal and marine life is of course unfortunate and the long term effect will only become apparent with time and frequent analysis of the water and marine life.

[sulphurdunn]

65. People are animals.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

20. what's your point, dipsy?

just another hit and run comment?

[dipsydoodle]

22. I was hardly likely

to attempt to respond to statement such as "And I was like, I did, I am giving you the knife that stabbed me" ?

WTF is that supposed to mean ? You know I'm English and that completely defeats me. Sounds like a line that Peter Seller's used in the film Being There other than the fact it doesn't contain the word honkey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQ_ClWBeRI

[eowyn_of_rohan]

25. WTF indeed.

why does this non-sentence "defeat" you as an English person?

[Uncle Joe]

33. From the looks of this map, I would say a lot of oil and dispersant.

I'm wondering if your 20,000,000 parts of water includes the entire Gulf?

If you could mix all the water in the entire Gulf, oil and dispersant up at once, you might be able to assume "even distribution," but that's not the case.

The areas; highlighted on this map probably have a much greater concentration of oil and dispersant than the rest of the Gulf and entire eco systems may exist exclusively in those areas.

I believe the same holds true for people exposed to these toxins, the concentrations of oil and dispersant would be much greater closer to the Gusher and those impacted coastal areas.

[dipsydoodle]

34. That was why

I said "assuming". I appreciate it hasn't had time to distribute fully yet and I was only refering to the dispersant - not the oil the remainder of which is currently indeterminate. The opposite of absolute concentration of Corexit represented a volume c. 110 x 110 x 1 yard if all dumped in on place which of course it wasn't the majority being sprayed from the air by your military aircraft.

I can only assume it was considered to be the lesser of two evils to use dispersant as opposed to just letting the slicks form. I can only say that in the UK they'd have used dispersant as slicks are to be avoided at all costs. Its a fairytale that Corexit is banned in the UK and I cannot imagine who was daft enough to start that rumour. The real baddy slicks here a long time ago were napalmed by the RAF. I can just imagine the reaction here if napalm was used in the Gulf.

Map appreciated . :hi:

[Uncle Joe]

39. Well I wonder if the slicks would have been easier to clean than dispersed oil?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8445264

THE SOLUTION TO POLLUTION IS NOT DILUTION!

I'm cutting out for the evening, have a good weekend.:hi:

[Lucky 13]

9. We are being lied to.

... by our own government... again.

But this time, by an administration I thought we could trust to at least tell us the truth.

And it's not just the workers. Our government is telling us all is fine. So we eat the food from the gulf, let our children play in the water and sand... and we are slowly being poisoned. And they know it.

I believe we will begin seeing "mystery" illnesses and cancer clusters in the not-so-distant future. It's inevitable. Read the scientific literature. It will make your hair stand on end.

Of all the things I'm angry at this administration about, this is the one that kills me the most. They are aiding and abetting a large corporation in the poisoning of millions of innocent people. Willingly. Knowingly.

It's unforgivable. And I expected better.

[Better Today]

10. Not being snarky, but I am truly confused.

The photo at the top would seem like some serious warning signs were needed. But the one at the bottom, doesn't look like there's a problem with oil in the sand or water. So I am truly confused as to why there would need to be any additional warning signs on the beach shown in the bottom photo. For the corexit that is still in the water?

[Whoa_Nelly]

16. K&R. Have posted a follow-up to this story in the form of getting the message out there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8940164

Thanks for posting this story. After reading it, saw the link to HuffPo asking for people to share their stories. Even though HuffPo requires people to share via registering with them, should others just be encouraged to share their stories via Twitter, there may be a greater audience in demanding that this criminal cover-up be exposed.

Thanks for posting this article, kpete! :hi:

[G_j]

17. BP contractor turns down locally donated bird-rescue supplies

from my local paper:

http://www.mountainx.com/features/2010/081110winging_it

Winging it
BP contractor turns down locally donated bird-rescue supplies
by Susan Andrew in Vol. 17 / Iss. 03 on 08/10/2010

Mountain Xpress reported back in June on local wildlife-rehabilitation expert Sherry Johnson’s trip to the Gulf Coast to help clean up oiled birds and other wildlife directly impacted by the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster (see “Hands Across the Sand,” June 23 Xpress). But when Johnson and her husband tried to deliver the veterinary supplies donated by the Asheville community, they were initially turned away at the International Bird Rescue Research Center facility in Hammond, La.

According to Johnson, Rhonda Murgatroyd of Wildlife Response Services “told me point blank, ‘We are not accepting donations, and BP is paying for everything.’” Hired by BP to lead the wildlife-rescue effort, Wildlife Response — a subsidiary of the Fort Lauderdale, Fla.-based O’Brien Financial Group — is mishandling the wildlife cleanup they’re supposed to be leading, Johnson maintains. Meanwhile, rescue workers in the area have told Johnson they’re short on supplies of IV fluids, nitrile gloves, syringes, needles and other items. “But the people in control don’t know what’s going on,” she says. “They can’t have eyes everywhere — they’re working in three states.”

“We had authorization before we left from Tri-State Bird Rescue,” the lead group cleaning up oiled wildlife in the gulf, Johnson reports. “It got a little ugly there when we first arrived, but we got done in the end.” International Bird Rescue Research, which has been doing rescue work in the gulf for years, eventually accepted the supplies.

In an e-mail, Murgatroyd denied that there are shortages and confirmed that BP is not accepting donations but did not explain the policy.

....

[Blue Owl]

27. It's a fuckin' corporate takeover

Just like almost every other facet of our goddamned sold-out government.

ENOUGH!!!

[rhett o rick]

50. i dont think we can stop it. People will either give in and become serfs or die in a failed revoluti

revolution. I see no way out.

[flyarm]

29. But go eat that seafood..Family Obama will tell you this weekend..you just go right ahead

at your own peril..and cancers and god knows what else!

They think you are all fools..well we on the Gulf are damn well not!

from a Gulf Resident!

[RandomThoughts]

30. Are you a gulf resident?

Can you say what news stories are correct? They were saying no oil left in water, and marshes clean up, sand dumped on beaches, piles of animal disposal.

Which stories of those are true? Read posts on all those topics.

[flyarm]

31. I am on Fla gulf..no one knows where the damn oil is because we have all been sprayed with Corexit

it is and can be anywhere in the Gulf..it is dispersed..you can not see the oil, but it is there on the bottom of the sea.

It is dispersed..likely everywhere in the Gulf.

They are all fucking liars..BP our White House, our government agencies..all of them!

They are all owned..and now we are at all the MTF'ers mercy and the American people..asleep at the switch!

No one wants to know the truth..gotta get the truth off the front pages Pronto..don'tcha know..there is an election coming!

It is an utter disgrace.

And if you think you won't be effected..think again..the evaporation is expected to take this shit in our atmosphere as far as the Rocky mountains in the form of rain and snow!

remember acid rain?..this will be much worse!

read the bullshit,.

and htis is bullshit..the dead zone is bigger much bigger because of BP & Deep Horizon!

Like i said they are all MTF'ing liars! and they are all owned.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/08/dead_zone_as_big_as_massachuse.html

like i said eat the sea food at your own peril..I won't eat it and most likely won't the rest of my life..there is no way of getting the dispersant oil off the bottom of the Gulf! It will take decades or longer!

[RandomThoughts]

32. Yea figured they were lying.

Blow a well to get attention off of issues that were happening, bank regulation, follow with poisoning. And it hurts shell fish production so it gets some negative spin to be used there also.

I figure the nihilist are behind most of it, but just a guess.

I hope your area works through it. I am not worried about the extent of any damage anywhere, not sure how far nihilist will go, but not worried about it either since you can't let thoughts be based on that stuff.

And maybe it was an accident, so there is always that.

[SoCalDem]

38. decades or longer or NEVER.. n.t

[earth mom]

59. I'm so sorry Flyarm...it's breaking my heart and I live a long way from the gulf.

I'm heartbroken, angry and blown away by how BP appears to be getting away with murder in broad daylight!


But I'm glad to see you posting the truth-NGU-Never Give Up! :grouphug:


p.s. Read my rant down thread when you have a minute.

[pitohui]

54. you think obama would let his little girls eat something that causes cancer?

you really think so?

c'mon, you know better than that

we are getting better every day, and we're going to beat this, and there are plenty of places where a tourist family is welcome to come visit right now

the best way to help people is to give them a job, not pity, not a hand-out, but work

i will eat properly tested seafood from trusted sources and i refuse to be afraid

what food hasn't been accused of causing cancer anyway?

[tkmorris]

55. Do you imagine you know what Obama's girls eat?

C'mon, you know better than that. Or, you should.

[TheKentuckian]

35. Of course it is all lies and the only people that buy it desperately want to.

It is all about getting back to business as usual and covering asses.

[laughingliberal]

43. K & R nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Given enough time it will be better

but the cost, short to medium term... will be horrific.

It will not be as bad as some people expect, but it will be bad enough.

On the short to medium term these are some things that need to happen.

1.- Medical teams for medium to long term follow up

2.- Money dedicated to "retrain" those who will not be able to go back to what they do.

3.- Food surveillance for at least 10 years.

But things will, as usual, not be as bad as people expect, but they are not ok.

Oh and nature will recover... that is a fact you can take to the bank... even with Corexit.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

45. BP is buying off scientists and having them assert that it's not all THAT bad...

and the fallout continues to wreak havoc.

The "overreacting" scientist amends his position after receiving 5 million in grant money: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8940363&mesg_id=8940363

:grr:

[Overseas]

48. K&R! //nt

[Dystopian]

49. KandR.

peace~

[Berserker]

51. I heard today

that only 25% stays oil. That means that 75% of the oil turns into vitamins and shit like that. So lets move on and talk about the new "OWN" Oprah Winfrey Network.

[me b zola]

52. K&R

[earth mom]

58. 911. Katrina. War. Banksters. BP Gusher. If anyone thinks that the government isn't covering their

asses on this one, they aren't paying attention.

People-please listen to your GUT.

Don't listen to the bastards telling you what to think!!!

Remember 911.

Remember the Wars.

Remember Katrina.

Remember the Bankster Bailout.


Do you really believe the powers that be give a damn about telling the truth about this ECOCIDE after how they have behaved the past 10 years?!


Ten years of this shit, people.

Add it up!

Ten years of destruction and they are NOT done yet!


Think about 911 truth-MIHOP/LIHOP!

Think about the LIES about the Wars!

Think about the people of NOLA who DIED while * ate cake!

Think about the TRILLIONS of dollars stolen from taxpayers and given to the bankster gansters!

Think about how YOU ALREADY KNOW that CRUDE OIL KILLS and that BP has KILLED THE GULF!


YOU KNOW THE REAL TRUTH PEOPLE!

Be Honest With Yourself!


Don't let those fucking bastards try to tell you that it's "all good" when it is NOT!

:rant:

[blindpig]

60. Anyone still pretending that we live in a democracy?

Pretty obvious who calls the shots and it ain't 'we the people'.

[BrklynLiberal]

61. This is horrific..and I am appalled that this administration is going along with this!!!!!

[Liberation Angel]

62. This is just like the coverup of dangers of Nuclear Power Pollution

and the same energy company killer/players:

They kill us with impunity.

Halliburton builds. manages nukes and oil btw.

Trust no one: they ALL lie and they are all killing our people and people globally (especially now in China where new nuke plants and pollution are killing millions with cancer, spontaneous abortions, thyroid disease, etc.

Pschic Numbing makes us not want to hear it, But when we get sick who will pay? We need to know.

And WHO can stop this murder of our planet and species and all species?

It is up to us.

Denial is not an option if we want to protect ourselves and our children and all future generations.

No Oil! No Nukes! Venceremos!

[Name removed]

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[Usrename]

64. Fucking bastards are going to kill us all.

Shouldn't we all be looking forward to the day when their cost/benefit analysis shows a profit can be extracted from total nuclear confrontation? You know they'll do it if they aren't stopped.

[maryf]

66. K&Rnt

[fascisthunter]

69. I wish all BP powers to be to have a miserable life moving forward

may they reap the very destruction they have sewn upon the gulf. And may they be harassed till the day they die.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

72. +1

[scentopine]

71. The sensible thing is to get the oil now. We can fix things later...

The professional left needs to stop whining about the gulf. Perhaps they can consider how hard it is to be president. Obama has no control over this. BP is clearly the best company to manage the clean up. They have the skills and incentive to do a good job and we all know that the government is incapable of doing much of anything. No one else on the planet is more qualified to manage this unfortunate event.

The leak has stopped, the oil is disappearing, life is normal again and for this we can credit a great and historic president. If you want to make an omelet you have to break a few eggs. Yet in spite of these facts, some of those on the left are making mountains out of mole hills and blaming Obama. Instead, they should be blaming the Senate and realize Obama has no control over policy failures. Oil is critical to our nations need's. Those on the left need to get used to it.

(See how easy it is to speak DLC?)

[Obamanaut]

73. Thank goodness for the word 'like'. For many folks, constructing

sentences would be, like, impossible without it.