What Alvin Greene did was very creepy

[LostinVA]

Posters in alot of threats don't get what the felony charge means, or wonder why it's a crime to show porn. Well, if it's unwanted showing, it's at best creepy and scary, and at worst very much a type of sexual assault. Add on his saying he's going to come visit her, and you have a nice stalkerish vibe going on. Unless he's mentally ill, this sounds like a crime to me:


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hNyH1XTKf1Adc_-fGBAefXf8YYEQD9HIO44G3


"Greene was arrested in November after authorities say he approached a student in a University of South Carolina computer lab, showed her obscene photos online, then talked about going to her dorm room."

[Taverner]

1. I could see this going either way - but I'll wait for the courts to decide

[golddigger]

2. I'm sorry, but the man is seriously mentally ill.

[LostinVA]

3. He's either mentally ill or a sociopath

Either way, it's very... odd he's on the ticket.

[jberryhill]

4. Or the police version of what happened is less than accurate

But I wasn't there, so I assume there will be a trial.

[mitchtv]

21. I personally wouldn't believe a word

said by SC "authorities" might be true, but that would be the exception. I'm prejudiced.

[SCantiGOP]

10. i don't think he's mentally ill

He is most likely borderline retarded. His dismissal papers from the military said he was incapable of following even the most basic instructions. In his last posting, at an Air Force base, his duties were to escort civilian contractors to where they were working on base.

[LostinVA]

13. Ah... I've never heard that last part

About what he did. Interesting. thanks for the info!

[hlthe2b]

76. I agree...

It seems pretty clear that he is extremely simplistic in his thinking. I too think he is mentally challenged.

[BrklynLiberal]

80. Judging from the interviews I have seen, that would be most likely.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. And how would you take it if it had been a 20 year-old, white frat boy that approached a

19 year-old coed and showed her some heterosexual sex pictures and talked to her about going to her dorm room? I'd bet such actions take place at least once a day across all college campuses.
Obscenity laws are still on the books in most states, but rarely prosecuted or called a felony.

[LostinVA]

6. I would feel the exact same way -- what are you accusing me of?

Because you are.

That "coed" would have the same legal right to have him arrested, and hopefully she would. What difference does RACE make in this??? Or obscenity laws? It has NOTHING to do with obscenity, and everything about what one person did to scare and/or threaten another.

Nice strawman there.

:eyes:

[sinkingfeeling]

11. I'm not accusing you of anything. I asked you a question, which you answered. I believe that

adults (the coed was 18 at the time) should be capable of dealing with a sexual come-on without police being involved. And Obscenity has everything to do with this case, because he was charged under South Carolina's 1976 law, Section 16-15-305, which is an obscenity law. I think all obscenity laws should be taken off the books.

Please explain where the threat was made.

How do you feel we should treat sex-ting between teenagers?

[fogonthelake]

17. a "sexual come-on" ? is that what you call it? using obscene photoes!!

That is NOT the usual "i want to ask you for a date" scene!! Get real.

[LostinVA]

19. How to pick up a cute coed

Sit next to her in computer lab

Pull up some porn
Say, "Look at my screen!"
Laugh when said coed says that is disgusting and bothers her.
Then tell her you'll be visiting her in her dorm room later.
When she calls campus police on you, demand that she apologize to YOU.



When I was in college, it went more like this:


"Hey, wasn't that English exam a killer? I know, right? Professor Z is such a sadist! Hey, I've seen you over at Bar Cool, right? There's a great local Ska band playing, wanna go see them and have a few beers?"

[fogonthelake]

32. LOL. I recall the scene you described at the bottom of your post-

innocent, fun, (sometimes annoying a bit).

[sinkingfeeling]

25. It's a new trend among the 13 to 18 year olds.

".... according to a Cox Communications report, which surveyed 665 teens between the ages of 13 and 18. Teen sexters typically send explicit photographs of themselves to a boyfriend or girlfriend, but one in every 10 admitted to engaging in sexting with a stranger, the report found."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/_Sexting_-on-the-rise-as-more-teens-send-explicit-photos-96424139.html

[Kalyke]

30. Just because it's a trend doesn't mean it's not criminal.

TPing a house was a "trend" for a while - it's still vandalism: a crime.

If a young man had approached me this way when I was in college, he'd have a couple of black eyes and a set of sore balls to go with his police record.

[sinkingfeeling]

33. A crime, yes, but I can't go with a felony with 5 years in prison.

[Starry Messenger]

56. A cell phone is not a college computer.

Just FYI.

[JI7]

65. they are sending it to people they know, this guy was a stranger to the girl

[Bluebear]

7. You're implying lostinva is racist? Really?

[LostinVA]

12. My love of sexist and creepy white frat boys is well known

all over the East Coast. Love those Clemson Greeks!

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

15. You're just a bundle of post-pubesecent caucasian hetero energy, true dat.

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

16. Just a little college fun

You know, like date rape and roofies.

:eyes:

:wtf:

:rofl:

[SCantiGOP]

28. LostinVA, I love you

As a Carolina Gamecock, it's nice to see someone from outside the state bashing the Clemson Tiggers.

[LostinVA]

29. I'll take the Gamecocks over Clemson any day

Ick.

I am, however, a Tarheel fan. Sorry.

[Kalyke]

31. I'm in Tennessee and I'll also take the Gamecocks

over the Tigers because they're an SEC team.

I do reserve the right, however, to call the Gamecock's coach a whiny little fuck.

:hi:

[Jamastiene]

57. You wild child, with all your frat boyfriends.

:rofl:

[LostinVA]

68. I left a trail of them through Greensboro to Chapel Hill to Charlottesville

:rofl:

Seriously -- :wtf:

[sinkingfeeling]

14. No, I asked a question. I work on a large campus and this stuff happens very frequently without any

felony charges being made.

[HipChick]

18. It happens very frequently...surprized felony charges are being made..

[LostinVA]

20. People get busted for things like this on college campuses

It's against State and Federal laws, and Title IX. Any employee of a university computer lab or library would take a complaint from a patron like this very seriously, and call campus police. Individual institutions also often have their own specific "conduct code."

[sinkingfeeling]

24. The ACLU tends to disagree that people are prosecuted for things like this. They call it 'rare'.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/alvin_greene_felony_obscenity_charge.php

What do you think about sex-ting? Is that a legal use of telecommunications?

[Gormy Cuss]

26. Perhaps the felony charges are related to factors not obvious from the news reports.

For instance, maybe he was persistent. Maybe he was rambling on in a way that made the student ill at ease. Maybe she was just alarmed by this "old" guy who wouldn't take no for an answer, or the nature of the porn was disturbing to her. I agree with LiV that it sounds creepy.

[LostinVA]

27. Yeah, I was wondering all of that, too, Gormy

It will be interesting to see what information comes out.

[LaurenG]

8. Oh man - you really shouldn't have said that

She isn't a racist shes a feminist and she's right about Greene in my opinion.

[xchrom]

9. what? -- are you accusing lost of something here?

because there is SO much wrong with that.

[dsc]

34. Had he been viewing this by himself or with a willing partner

no one would say boo. Instead he harassed a clearly unwilling person with it. He is at best, very creepy, at worst a stalker in the making. I will say that something short of arrest might be reasonable if he is willing to leave that co ed alone.

[LisaL]

42. And he allegedly did it in a student computer lab where he had no business

being in the first place.

[msanthrope]

44. I think you hit on why this is being prosecuted.....

what took place is a crime in that state.

It is seldom prosecuted, however.

In fact, the only time I usually see that crime, or similar, prosecuted is when you have a minor child, a 'vulnerable' person, or, you know the bastard did other, worse crap, and that's all you got.

Here, I think they want to keep crazy stalker guy off campus....it doesn't sound like it was his first rodeo.

[dsc]

35. I just wanted to add this in a seperate post

I am sick of every time someone criticises something on this site we hear racism. One can find Greene's behavior creepy and worthy of sanction and not be a racist.

[LostinVA]

37. Thank you

:pals:

[dsc]

39. no problem

[Raineyb]

46. True. But I think it's also valid to wonder why the authorities chose to prosecute this instance

when it's rarely prosecuted at all. Given the reputation of the criminal justice system it is not unreasonable to wonder if racism plays a role in that.

[dsc]

50. I think it was the fact he had an unwilling viewer

and showed no sign of understanding that he had done something wrong. I think most cases of this kind of thing the male apologizes and that is that. He seemed to escalate, scare his victim, and then not be sorry. Pretty dumb move.

[LanternWaste]

59. Possibly because the victim asked charges to be pressed...

"when it's rarely prosecuted at all..."

Possibly because the victim asked charges to be pressed rather than keeping silent about it?

[LostinVA]

66. The Virginia Tech killer had harassed and intimidated female students

None pressed charges, mainly because of fear or thinking they didn't want to cause trouble. Virginia has changed that since then, and college and universities authorities can press the charges.

[msanthrope]

45. Dude, LostInVA isn't a racist. She'd be just as appalled at the white guy.

She and I have tangled previously, but I can say with confidence--she is not a racist.

[LostinVA]

48. Thank you, M

Like you say, we have tangled a time or two (or 20!), so it means alot coming from you.

:pals:

[msanthrope]

73. You're welcome. :-) n/t

[seabeyond]

58. it is harrassment. that simple. any male that does it to a stranger. nt

[CreekDog]

74. you called a female college student a "coed"?

what is this, 1961? :wtf:

[CreekDog]

82. that approach does work!

that is if you want the girl to think you're creepy. :think:

[Enrique]

22. we know it's a crime in that part of South Carolina

I'd be surprised if that would be a crime in most of the rest of the country, but I don't know one way or the other. But to be on the safe side, I'll refrain from that kind of behavior.

[LostinVA]

23. He also get a misdemeanor charge, too

I know in NC and VA it isn't illegal to watch porn on university and other public computers, as long as it's legal porn, there are no minors there, and the watcher doesn't show it to people not already watching it. The young woman even told him it was disgusting and offensive, and he reacted by asking if he could come to her dorm room later, and then asking her to apologize to HIM after he was arrested.

:wtf:

DISCLAIMER: I would also feel this way if it was a 20-year-old white frat boy.

[fogonthelake]

36. He wants folks to make dolls of him ........

He is beyond weird!!


http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/mystery-s-c-candidate-wants-people-to-make-toys-of-him-for-jobs-plan/


Alvin Greene, the mystery candidate from South Carolina, who unexpectedly won the South Carolina senate primary recently talked to the U.K. Guardian about his plan for jobs in his home state. Here’s what he had to say.

Another thing we can do for jobs is make toys of me, especially for the holidays. Little dolls. Me. Like maybe little action dolls. Me in an army uniform, air force uniform, and me in my suit. They can make toys of me and my vehicle, especially for the holidays and Christmas for the kids. That’s something that would create jobs. So you see I think out of the box like that. It’s not something a typical person would bring up. That’s something that could happen, that makes sense. It’s not a joke.

[LostinVA]

38. Is this for real???

:wtf:

[fogonthelake]

40. well gee...

its on the internet (sarcasm).


I was looking for the police report--I found the arrest report which really did not say much more. anyway, I ran across that article.


BTW-here is how she tells how it went down in the lab....(this Green guy is bad news)...


http://www.live5news.com/global/Story.asp?s=12625416

..........According to Greene's accuser, "a rather large man came and sat right next to me. He said, 'Hi.' I thought he was being friendly, so I said hi back."

However, she says that's where the polite talk ended.

"Then he was like, 'Do you like football?' I said, 'Yes.' Then he asked me to look at my screen and it was just a bunch of porn and he was scrolling and laughing. Then he just looked at me and said, 'Let's just go back to your room now.' That's when I decided it was time to leave," said the alleged victim...........

[LostinVA]

47. OMFG

I read a very "just the facts" account earlier, but not this. I also read he used a old school ID to get into the computer lab, which was IN A DORM.

I think it's probably a good thing he was arrested.

[fogonthelake]

52. an old ID? no, that would have to be a good activated one to

get into a computer labs on campuses. I doubt an old one would work. but then again, he got in somehow. some of the libraries on campus allow the public in for the day if computers are open though and they are a state school. I hope they look deep into HOW he actually got in. I wonder if the police confiscated the computer for evidence and what exactly was on the screens that he was scrolling???

[LostinVA]

64. It said he used an invalid student ID from 2000

to get into a computer lab in Bates House, a dorm.

[LisaL]

41. It's his job creation plan.

[fogonthelake]

53. action doll figures of himself. ha ha

[LisaL]

55. Just how many of these dolls does he think SC needs to make?

Sounds like a lot, if that is his plan to combat unemployment.
LOL.

[fogonthelake]

61. He sure has a high opine of himself.....I wonder if he was offered this deal

????. It says hints.


this is the original article from the Guardian that I just found.....from JULY...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/06/alvin-greene-south-carolina-senate


What about the fact that he's facing charges for having shown obscene pictures to a university student? He hints that he has offered a deal whereby the prosecution would drop the charges in favour of a lesser non-custodial punishment. "First-time non-violent offenders should be entitled to pre-trial intervention programmes, like seminars or courses that would expunge the charges. I applied, I met the criteria. They could have dropped the charges."

[fogonthelake]

43. The arrest warrant and the SC law is embedded in this article....

http://www.live5news.com/global/Story.asp?s=12622221

[LostinVA]

49. Ah -- missed this

Thanks.

[Jamastiene]

60. Yes, it is real. I saw him on local news talking about it and

:wtf: :wow:

[howaboutme]

51. How did he win the primary?

The guy is obviously not US Senate material (but then maybe he is based upon some others). So how did he win? I did not follow the election but it seems really fishy. Was he set up to win by the opposition? Are the voting machines corruptible as they are in my state, which btw still pisses me off that nothing has been done by a Democratic Congress to address this?

[LisaL]

54. They are voting machines that do not leave a paper trail.

[howaboutme]

62. Thank you

Mr Green may be a product of this fantasy electorate system that has been forced upon us by the "Help America Vote Act". Take the name of any bill from Congress and then understand that the real bill is usually about just the opposite.

Voting machines without proof is exactly what we have in PA and I'm beginning to think that is exactly what they wanted (those who George Carlin ranted about in this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q ) and what the owners and politicians in both Parties actually prefer.

The idea of having one average American with the power of one vote to change the system might scare the hell out of the establishment. They prefer to have a neutered electorate that still thinks they have some control but they really don't - just as Carlin eloquently said.

Why aren't the Democrats in Congress all over this situation? How much of a political risk is it for politicians to assure Americans that their vote actually counts? They've had 4 years to require voting accountability.

Please do not respond publicly as I do not wish to hijack this thread.

edited: want to wish

[TheBigotBasher]

63. His main problem is

that he didn't quite get senate rules. As demonstrated by Republican Senators, you are supposed to wait until you are elected before hitting on teens.

[JI7]

67. There is something not right with this guy, he creeps me out just like Quayle's son

[LostinVA]

69. Agreed

[lib2DaBone]

72. Something is seriously wrong with Alvin Greene....

IF this is a cruel joke by the RNC.. it needs to stop.

[Jamastiene]

70. K&R

[bergie321]

71. I don't see how people take this lightly

How is walking up to a woman and showing her a picture of your junk any better than walking up to a woman and whipping your junk out?

[MadMaddie]

75. He was discharged from the military

I just don't think that he is all there.

[pgodbold]

77. Short bus. nt

[David Zephyr]

78. K&R. It was, just as you said, "creepy".

Indeed!

[JoeyT]

79. Refusing to respect the boundaries of women isn't something to be taken lightly.

Refusing to respect the boundaries of women is what makes rapists rapists.

[CreekDog]

81. Maybe

but it probably has potential among those who seek prisoners out for romance. :hide:

























sorry. :yoiks: