In short, I AM the Democratic Party and I am finding it impossible to vote for a Democrat

[kpete]

A 'professional' Democrat speaks to Mr. Gibbs
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/64655


Come November, I’m absolutely not voting for a Democratic gubernatorial candidate. . . . Before you just roll your eyes and hit the back button, you need to know I’m not merely the base or the “professional left.” I’m an elected party official, a chair of a Democratic committee at local level. I’m a co-founder of a local Democratic organization and I’ve spent days-weeks-months of time and a lot of resources on behalf of Democratic candidates.

In short, I AM the Democratic Party and I am finding it impossible to vote for a Democrat.

more:
http://www.americablog.com/2010/08/professional-democrat-speaks-to-mr.html

[MH1]

1. Then vote against the republican.

It's really a simple system.

[babylonsister]

2. Another whiner. Vote for who you want. nt

[SidDithers]

4. +1...nt

Sid

[aikoaiko]

5. !!!!

[depakid]

7. Those "whiners" may come back to haunt you

by simply staying home and not working for little or nothing for those who hold them in contempt.

I certainly wouldn't blame them

[MineralMan]

9. Who gives a crap?! This asshole already said that he/she isn't

going to vote for Democrats. He/she's already fled the party. Screw him/her! Democrats vote for Democrats. People who don't vote for Democrats aren't Democrats. It is that fucking simple.

This one wasn't going to work anyhow. It was going to stay home, and announced that. Screw it!

[depakid]

14. Those who fail to listen to and respond to feedback end up losers

This isn't a one off or all that uncommon a story.

We had a member here who worked damn hard at a fairly high level in Pennsylvania who'd similarly had enough.

No more work for free from him, either.

When things like this start happening, it's time for the leadership tp start throwing out red meat to the base- and not just a few bones.

[MineralMan]

19. Yes, yes....whatever you say...

We don't even know if this Rayne person is even legitimate. Smells like winger disruption to me.

[Whisp]

24. that threat is not working on me anymore

the losers will also include the whiners that pout and withhold their vote. You think they are going to come out better than ones who did vote?

and besides, there are far far far fewer of them than the media and some pushers here seem to want us to believe.

vote for who you like but keep your big 'you'll be sorry, wahhhhhhh!' to yourselves.

[depakid]

27. Not a threat, a basic law of human nature that you or anyone else ignores at their peril

I fully expect both this administration to behave stupidly about it though- they're arrogant and infected with as much group think as any administration in recent memory and there's a level of blind devotion among followers that rivals even what I saw with Bush.

So you go on believing what you want and ignoring the warning signs or spouting off in contempt. Doesn't bother me.

I ain't thinking about working for ya.



.

[Whisp]

33. ok then, what is it that you want from me?

you don't support this WH, you are disappointed and may not vote Democratic this fall or in '12.

I get that. Not everyone is happy, and that will never happen ever no matter who is in the WH.

what do you want me to do for you?

[depakid]

38. I have excellent Senators, and an acceptable congressperson - this person doesn't

and it's less what you can do personally and more what the collective Democratic and the leadership responses are when these things come up repeatedly.

I just get a sardonic laugh when I see people calling others who've worked hard in the past whiners. Even if they are, those folks have more than earned the right to complain.

[Whisp]

45. it's sometimes difficult

to separate the honestly critical here from those that just want to cause mayhem and distortion and distraction. From those that set up their assaults from other sites.

I'm sure I have been in error and snarky to the wrong people sometimes and I don't mean to do that.

[DevonRex]

53. The losers are the assholes who vote Republican or none of the above rather than Dem.

Excuse me. I meant to say Fucking losers.

[JoePhilly]

16. The person in the OP sounds like 13 year old threatening to runaway ...

and join the circus ....

Which maybe makes sense, after all that's what the GOP is ... a freakin circus.

[boston bean]

18. many indies don't just vote for dems, although their votes are always wanted.

what about all those indies who are feeling beat down?

[MineralMan]

22. This person isn't an indie. She/he is claiming to be a

Democratic Party Elected official. He/she should be removed from that position forthwith.

[Nite Owl]

28. From personal experience

I can tell you he isn't alone. People are fed up with fake dems. Many on my committee are not voting for certain candidates this election just because the have a D after their name. They have to have shown that they are really dems not fake republicans.

There is no reason to believe this story is not true, like it or not. If you have actually been out in the field people are feeling this way and it looks grimmer than you think. I thought it was just DU but it isn't at all.

[sufrommich]

30. Did you read the article? It's about the Michigan primary

for governor. He called Virg Bernero a "dirtbag dino". I defy anybody here to look at Bernero's web page and tell me what constitutes calling him a dino. He also states that he will vote for the moderate republican in the race. That's showing them!

[Nite Owl]

94. I have no idea who he is

and didn't look at his website. We have a Blue Dog rep here who has voted less than half the time with the dems and is very proud of his voting record. Now he needs help and can't seem to understand why no one is volunteering. He isn't a real dem! Those are the people that don't deserve anything from us. I am definitely voting for Schumer and Gillibrand. They are far from perfect but have been there for the votes and actually do help people. The response to our rep when petioning was not good at all. People are fed up with electing fake dems. When his office called I told him that he was being rude for even asking for help now after we worked to get him in and then he avoided us like the plague. Doing work for state elections instead.

[DevonRex]

63. Indie? This person says they're a Dem who's voting either Republican or none of the above. FDL

article, of course.

[DevonRex]

64. Yay FDL!!! Give us articles by Dems who vote Republican or none of the above!!!!

Are you wonderful!!!! :sarcasm:

[another saigon]

12. I guess I am a whiner too

what a stupid week for obama's team to send out all of those 'please help us' email solicitations. I unsubscribed to all and was delighted to be able to explain why in the comment section.

another saigon, proud card carrying member of the "Professional Left"!

[MineralMan]

13. I guess so, then...

Thanks for letting us know...

[CBR]

23. Sounds like it. nt

[DevonRex]

56. If you're trying to decide between a Republican and nobody on your ballot, then yep. nt

[readmoreoften]

100. I'm also a "whiner". And all these folks can fuck off around election time when they

suddenly need us. They've pretty much become a different party.

[sufrommich]

25. What is there to hold in contempt in regards to

Virg Bernero? Such contempt that you would vote for the moderate republican? Why to shoot yourself in the foot.

[MineralMan]

26. I doubt this actually has anything to do with Bernero.

It's just yet another anti-Democrat screed. Probably written by someone who hasn't actually voted for Democrats before. I don't believe the "elected party official" crap at all. It's bullshit.

[cliffordu]

34. Neither would I. But I STILL don't give a shit.

It's the insufferable angst that grinds......

[DevonRex]

52. Those whiners who're voting Republican or none of the above. Fuck them. nt

[SoxFan]

86. The whiners make up one half of a percent

We're just sick of you giving rhetorical cover to Fox News, Palin, and the rest of the noise machine.

[DevonRex]

51. I don't give a flying fuck who somebody who'd write this garbage would

vote for. He says he's voting either for the moderate Republican or none of the above. And of course it's from FDL. Anybody catch on what FDL is about now?

[SoxFan]

85. LOL

Well said.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. kind of defeatist

[LaurenG]

6. Yikes

things are not looking up in Michigan.

Come November, I’m absolutely not voting for a Democratic gubernatorial candidate. I may even commit heresy as a Democratic precinct delegate and split my ticket; my vote is very much a toss between a Republican moderate or None-Of-The-Above.

[MineralMan]

8. Yet Another Anonymous "Progressive" Blogger Rants On...

I'm sort of anonymous, but then, I'm not, since it's so easy to find out who I am. I'm also an elected DFL party official, albeit at a low level...just a precinct chair. I've also worked on campaigns for Democratic candidates, since the 60s. I can vote for Democrats. In fact, I can't do otherwise. The alternative is unthinkable to me.

But, this particular blogger, Rayne, whoever that might be, rants on about not being able to vote for Democrats. I suggest that this "professional" resign her/his party post at once. If not, he/she is living a fraud.

You want to know who I am? Click the link in my signature line. I'm proud of being a Democrat. I'm proud of many of the Democratic office-holders I've helped to get elected. Barack Obama. Al Franken. Betty McCollum. Many others in 45 years.

Screw this crap! If you can't vote for Democrats, resign your fucking party office! Do it today! Make room for a Democrat to hold your party office.

Thanks!

[DevonRex]

69. All brought to us by FDL, of course. Hamsher goes on Fox. This guy

writes on FDL and says vote Republican. I'm beginning to see a pattern regarding FDL.

[SoxFan]

87. May I say, sir...

:yourock:

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[MineralMan]

11. How's that bye-bye now workin' out for you?

Feh!

[gulliver]

15. "I AM God"

The Rayne post reminds me of Alec Baldwin's character in the movie Malice.

I doubt Rayne is as embedded in the Democratic establishment as he/she implies. He/she is more likely typing from Republican headquarters or a garage filled with taxidermy.

[MineralMan]

17. "I Am Moron, Hear Me Whine..."

Everybody sing! :puke:

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[MineralMan]

47. Names? You're calling me names? WTF?

Uff da! I'm not the class traitor here, my friend. It's the anonymous blogger at the link. Moron's going to vote for a Republican.

Feh!

[sufrommich]

21. I agree. nt

[sufrommich]

20. What a crock of shit. Virg Bernero a "dino"??

So he's going to vote for the moderate republican?? Give me a break.

[old mark]

29. Finding a "moderate republican" might be a problem in itself...

I am more than dissapointed with the administation and Democratic Party sell-out-ism, but I have not voted for a republican since 1968, and see no reason to start any time soon...but I believe teh New Dems should adopt a new motto;" We Suck, but the republicans suck even worse..."
Transparancy, you know?

Fired Up?
:boring:

mark

[mmonk]

55. True. They went the way of the dinosaur.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. For those who aren't clicking through to the link

Rayne at FireDogLake writes about the Michigan primary, and then about not voting for either Dem candidate for governor because "they are both dirtbag DINOs, just slightly different flavors of the same crap, the kind of over-promising spin masters of which we have too many in DC."

[ThomThom]

32. I have moments when I feel exactly the same way but upon reflection

I see the results if I don't vote for the Dem. We can not allow the republicons to gain any seats or governorships even if we have to hold our collective noses and vote for a less then perfect candidate. The alternatives are too dire. It is difficult to find great people to seek elective office. Maybe in the future you could run but for now we have to stick together or any chance we have of stopping the craziness that is all around our country will be lost for sure. I know I will have more moments of complete wanting to give up but hopefully I will not succumb for more that a couple rants. Hang in there.

[Iggo]

35. I just rolled my eyes and hit the back button.

:eyes:

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. The dichotomy of the USA two party system

Leaves a taste of vomit in my mouth.


The system is not parliamentary nor is it representative of the populace.

It is a elitist form of a so called democracy where the choice is narrowed down
to two choices.

I live my life .......... with more than just TWO choices....... DON'T YOU?

[EstimatedProphet]

39. In short, I am the Democratic party, and I don't believe this guy is telling the truth.

[LoZoccolo]

40. There is no proof that the person is who they say.

They are hiding behind a cloak of anonimity; why should I believe them? The whole "I'm not voting" thing is manipulative; why wouldn't I think that they'd add more manipulation in the form of lying about their position in the party?

[ibegurpard]

42. one could say the same thing about anyone

which I will be glad to point out to you the next time you point out the same things about yourself

[Swede]

41. Perhaps some cheese with the whine?

[opihimoimoi]

43. "Made from SOUR GRAPES" I Jus love that line.... :o)

[mmonk]

44. Hard to tell how much frustration will cause loss of votes yet.

It all depends how much voting Dems are scared of the nut jobs on the right taking power.

[DevonRex]

59. This moran's remedy is to vote for a fucking Republican. And it's posted right here on DU, no less.

It makes me sick.

[mmonk]

68. Then that would make him a Republican voter

His past becomes irrelevant. I worry more about the ones that will stay home.

[DevonRex]

70. Oh no, his other choice is "none of the above" so he's also

encouraging people to stay home. All courtesy of FDL. So isn't that just special?

[mmonk]

73. I would think FDL supports voting for liberal or progressive Democrats

or something close.

[jaxx]

61. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?

Meanwhile it looks good on paper to give in to frustration, keeps the drama going.

[kath]

46. Don't know the issues in the Michigan Gov. race, but the last paragraph of the piece resonates with

me:
"Because if I vote for another Democratic candidate who cannot and will not fulfill the Democratic platform (have you read it lately?), if I vote for another candidate who I am certain will betray my trust by compromising before any negotiation with the opposition begins, I will merely be encouraging and enabling more of the same behavior. I would not be living up to my own values and ethics; I’d be letting down others who count on me to do the right thing, like my family and friends.

And unlike the current administration, I cannot and will not compromise my values.

I suspect the people who also voted for me expect that of me."

[hfojvt]

48. some voters in Jersey felt the same way

and look what it got them
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/128

Way to not compromise those principles.

[ProSense]

67. I remember a discussion the night before the election

We were talking about all the people who were going to sit out the election and Democrats we knew who were saying they were going to vote for Christie because they were pissed at Corzine, and based on Christie's property tax rhetoric.

Took these suckers only a few days to start crying. Who the fuck believes a Republican is looking out for their best interest?

Not only is that asshole not issuing any rebates, he has raised the transportation cost for commuters by 25 percent, that's as much as $50 to $75 per month for some people.

[LWolf]

49. "Have you read it lately?"

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DevonRex]

50. Fuck this shit. He's voting for the Republican or nobody, and not the Dem?

[sufrommich]

54. And the dem candidate ,in this case, is one of the best. nt

[DevonRex]

58. Can you believe this shit? The Dem candidate is being trashed on DU

in favor of a fucking Republican?

[sufrommich]

60. Yes, I can believe it. nt

[cbdo2007]

57. Great, vote for Palin in 2012. I'm sure the country will be much better of with her in charge.

[ProSense]

62. This person is a moron.

Come November, I’m absolutely not voting for a Democratic gubernatorial candidate. I may even commit heresy as a Democratic precinct delegate and split my ticket; my vote is very much a toss between a Republican moderate or None-Of-The-Above.

I have long suspected that some of the asshole criticizing the President are people pretending to be progressives, sort of like Lanny Davis suddenly becoming a single-payer advocate.

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[NJmaverick]

65. The more I see from them the more I am becoming convinced FDL is on the GOP payroll

they couldn't possible do more to undermine the Dems and help the GOP if they tried.

[DevonRex]

66. Hamsher is on Fox News all the time. This FDL article is saying he'll vote Republican or nobody.

I say you're right, NJM.

[CBR]

72. She is making money with her "dissent" -- ultimate capitalist.

Pretty lame.

[firedupdem]

76. That's all it's about....her making money. Fuck firebaggerlake...

and her republican voting followers.

[DevonRex]

88. I second that. FDL is now advocating voting for Republicans. Hamsher used to just go on Fox

to spout her garbage. Now FDL itself is advocating voting for Pukes. Fuck them.

[SoxFan]

90. And it is fine to repost this crap on DU

"Oh, I'M not saying vote for Republicans, I'm just pointing out that someone has raised that option".

Nice. Welcome to DemocraticOptional.com

[DevonRex]

91. Nice to have it out in the open that FDL is advocating voting for Republicans.

There can be no doubt now about their agenda.

[Bobbie Jo]

98. Bingo.

She's cashing in, alright.

[quiet.american]

71. Glad to see the back of him, then. If this is a "professional Democrat" who needs him? nt

[MilesColtrane]

74. .

[Cha]

75. Yeah, so what? I am a Democrat and I have

no problem voting for the person who is fighting for Democracy.

[firedupdem]

77. This person is NOT a Democrat. No Democrat even thinks a

republican gives a shit about this country. This person is from Michigan? The same Michigan the administration just saved while the republicans basically said "FUCK YOU". Some on this board are patting those who will vote republican on the back?

[SoxFan]

84. +1

[Lost4words]

78. exactly,... nt

[Skidmore]

79. So you are now a Republican.

In fact, that's what you are. Through your actions/inactions you are handing them power again.

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[Moxie226]

81. Finding it impossible to vote for democrats?

It's confirmed: It's definitely IMPOSSIBLE to vote republican.
Think of it this way: At least we will be voting AGAINST REPUBLICAN.
2004 I held my nose and vote for kerry. Hold your nose and vote Democratic.

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[SoxFan]

83. May I point out an inconvenient fact?

From the rules:

2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

From the expanded rules:

You are not permitted to use this message board to work for the defeat of the Democratic Party nominee for any political office. If you wish to work for the defeat of any Democratic candidate in any General Election, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website.

Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates.

[TreasonousBastard]

92. Well, Mr. (or Ms.-- it's not clear) Anonymous Rayne, it's good to know that...

you are willing to let this party you claim to have worked for go to hell in a handbasket and let the other side win because your "principles" won't let you vote for someone you didn't handpick and who doesn't meet your standards of purity.

Personally, I think you're full of shit and your "committee" is three people with a table outside the town supermarket that the party regulars won't let into their meetings, but I can't tell for sure since your principles also won't allow you to tell us who you really are.

Note for the record-- people like this are rarely missed by the people who do the real work.

[DevonRex]

95. +1. nt

[indypaul]

93. I believe it was JFK who

after a friend was defeated in a primary election was
asked about supporting the winner. Simply stated that
in politics one sometimes finds it necessary to "rise
above principal" and support the winning candidate.

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[Political Tiger]

97. Gibb's got it wrong.

PROFESSIONAL CRYBABIES is a more accurate description.

[BzaDem]

99. "my vote is very much a toss between a Republican moderate or None-Of-The-Above."

So they might vote for a Republican over the Democrat. I have to give them props for honesty. Usually these "progressives" who don't vote for the Democrat pretend they are not aiding and abetting the Republican. This one, on the other hand, is coming right out and saying it. They aren't going to vote for the Democrat who doesn't agree with the whole party platform -- they are instead going to vote for the candidate who doesn't agree with ANY of the party platform.

Of course, usually these "progressives" don't want to admit that, because pretending they are not helping the Republican is their way of avoiding cognitive dissonance.

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