We will keep the House. We will keep the Senate. Obama will be re-elected in 2012.

[WilliamPitt]

Bookmark this thread. You can shove it up my ass if I'm wrong.

I'm not wrong.

[Electric Monk]

1. Somebody is gonna mention 'business hours' in 5, 4, 3, 2...

oh wait, I just did.


I think you're right, though, fwiw.

[WilliamPitt]

I've been right a hell of a lot more than I've been wrong.

And I will stack my record against anyone's.

I like an old joke as much as anyone.

Cheers.

[Major Hogwash]

54. Hahahaha. All in good fun.

I think that they were right about that, though, 48 business hours or not.
I think Jason was right and that Will was right.

I think that somehow the criminal justice system was manipulated when they found out that the news got out about it and we knew about it beforehand and so they manipulated the system.
What does it take to make one phone call in this world anyway?
How long does it take to make a single phone call?

We knew what Rove was about -- he was a contestant on "Let's Make A Deal" long after that show had been cancelled.
He was guilty and we knew it.
History will record it that way, no matter what the newspapers said about it years ago.
Since when did newspapers print the truth, anyway?
Last time I saw a newspaper print a breaking story was in 1972.
And then they made a movie out of it.

I also think that Rove had someone reading what Jason was saying and probably even had someone assigned to read these forums at that time.

There was just too much manipulation going on to think that Jason and Will were wrong about that.
And I would stand in front of a firing squad to defend them for what they said.
Because BushCo was just that fricking bad.

I also think that Will is right about the House and Senate remaining in the Democrat's hands this fall because 98.2% of the incumbents are being reelected.

As for Obama being reelected in 2012, I'm not sure he really wants to do another 4 years in the White House.
I don't drink, but if I were to have a beer, I'd have one with President Obama.

[deaniac21]

70. Now this is what I'd call embarrassing.

[crazyjoe]

105. well , you got the right name.

[bluestateguy]

2. We might lose the House. but I feel good about the Senate and 2012

In fact, I could even see a scenario where the Republic Party wins the House in 2010 and loses it back in 2012.

[aquart]

41. I can't remember the last time I felt good about the Senate.

[laughingliberal]

58. I am really, really hoping we keep the House. The Senate, too. But, by & large, the House Democrats

pass better legislation. Sure, the Senate screws it all up when they get it but, at least, the House manages to set the goalposts a little to the left most of the time.

[glitch]

109. If we lose the House we will be screwed.

Maybe permanently.

[bdamomma]

125. who wants this to happen no way for Boehner to get in

that guy is such a waste, John Orange as Keith calls him.

[Dawson Leery]

107. very possible.

[ProSense]

3. Here's my prediction

Republicans are screwed.

It's that simple.

[Scurrilous]

103. ...

:thumbsup:

[panader0]

4. Thank you. The voice of reason.

The Tea Party is freaking the right moderates out. The elections will prove you right. Rec'd
Yikes! you were plus one when I rec'd and now zero.
Edit to say sorry- I don't know what happened to create the space or how to get rid of it.

[MilesColtrane]

5. I'm not interested in shoving anything anywhere, but do you discount...

current Congressional polls because they are current, or because they are inaccurate?

[WilliamPitt]

7. The latter

[opihimoimoi]

6. How can we lose to those yoyos.....The Party of NO to everything

The Negative Bully Party and their nasty whining , nitpicking???

The American Peeps are NOT THAT DUMB to suck for their Bait and Switch shit...again???

[deaniac21]

71. The minority is always the party of no.

[SpiralHawk]

124. NO

The republicons are the party of No & FAIL.

When they were in the minority, the Dems did not systematically obstruct, block, denigrate, and generally fling poo as the Republicons do.

[w8liftinglady]

8. hey...i'm with you!..no matter what!

I am going democrat all the way!

[w8liftinglady]

9. and ... btw.. I rec'd this...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

10. I think you're right, my dear Will...

No ass-shoving from me!

Recommended.

:hi:

[PBS Poll-435]

36. Already R'd, but Kick! because CaliPeg said

"ass-shoving"

Might need its own thread...


:P

[CaliforniaPeggy]

40. I was JUST quoting our dear Mr Pitt!

:P

[PBS Poll-435]

45. Totally

Hey!

:D

[WilliamPitt]

44. It's a beautiful day

:P

[SoxFan]

65. You haven't been in the Lounge

She lets loose like a drunken, pissed-off sailor when she thinks you guys aren't watching.

:evilgrin:

[shanti]

11. somebody's unreccing

but not me! much ado about nothing, imo.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. Net recommendation: +2 votes (Your vote: +1)

[leftstreet]

13. Has Obama stated that he's running in 2012?

:shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

15. (facepalm)

[denbot]

27. .

:spray:

[leftstreet]

48. So that's a yes? A no?

:shrug:

[SoxFan]

90. Haven't you heard?

On January 23, 2011, Obama is going to reveal that he is actually a shapeshifting alien reptoid. His extraterrestrial overlords have decreed that Earth will henceforth be a slave colony. There will be no need for an election in 2012, since you will probably be busy toiling in the spice mines of Kessell by then.

[Hippo_Tron]

114. It's reasonable to assume a President will run for re-election unless they indicate otherwise

[bdamomma]

126. yea, he hasn't said anything, these first 4 years is him cleaning up

Bush's BS, he will need another term just to put through his policies.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. Senator Brown smiles upon you

I'll go with Krugman on this one - it's gonna be ugly, ugly.

[dkf]

16. Depends on how many more Sharon Angles the Reps produce.

It seemed gloomier til we started seeing the opposition.

[kentuck]

17. The scenario I see....

in my crystal ball...

The Tea Party will lose a couple of close elections and they will be blamed by the establishment Republicans for keeping them from getting the majority. It will not be pretty.

I cannot see the people, including Republicans, rushing to put the same crowd back into power, regardless of the heavy-duty 24-7 brainwashing they are getting from the right-wing media. I refuse to believe such a huge number of people could be that dumb?

Uh-oh....that's all I have. My crystal ball is getting a little cloudy...

[wuushew]

18. we will take a hit from the 2010 census

which states are you guaranteeing blue next time round?

[WilliamPitt]

20. MA, NY, MI, IL, NJ, WA for sure

P.S. Hispanic voters are the largest growing voter bloc is the country. Don't discount this anti-brown-people hatefest on the Right inspiring massive Democratic turnout within that bloc.

Wheels within wheels.

[wuushew]

24. Here is what my gut tells me

If those Hispanic voters can keep Colorado blue then I would sleep better.

Adjusting the Obama sure votes down to 249, calculate the twenty-one votes need for victory from the remaining seven tossups.

[blm]

33. NC will be blue

.

[saracat]

55. Actually the growing voter block is Indie. They have grown twice as much as either party

and the Hispanic poulation has grown but they do not tend to vote. They couldn't even get them to the door for the census. I have worked with hispanic outreach a lot and it is really difficultt to get them to vote, for any party. sad but true. There may be a slight bump for the immigration issues but that may also have concretized alot of fear. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[EFerrari]

60. Remember this? Black Women, Hispanics Fuel Voter Turnout in 2008

Thursday, April 30, 2009
By Hope Yen, Associated Press

Washington (AP) - Nearly one-fourth of voters in last November's election were minorities, the most diverse election ever, fueled by high turnout from black women and a growing Hispanic population, an independent research group found.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/47431

__________

Latino turnout has doubled in the last 20 years.

[obxhead]

19. Bookmarking as well. I say it will take a Palin pres ticket for

Obama to have an easy victory. Any other Republican and it will be a hard fought race. I'm betting my state (VA) will return to a red state either way. 12 will not be nearly as easy as 08 was in Oct and Nov.

[Name removed]

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[yowzayowzayowza]

22. Don't think yer wrong atall.

:hi:

[Motown_Johnny]

23. And we will pick up seats in 2012

[Nye Bevan]

25. Bank it. (nt)

[JanMichael]

26. Keep the house/senate through 2012 or in perpetuity?

You should be clear about these things because a printed copy of the thread laminated to some aluminum siding would hurt like hell if was shoved up your ass.

[DFLforever]

28. What are your reasons for optimism?

Not a challenge, just curious.

[VMI Dem]

29. $$

:hi:

[NewJeffCT]

85. The Chamber of Commerce is going to spend $400 million on the 2010 elections

I don't think anybody on our side can even come close to that output.

[WilliamPitt]

32. The Tea Party is making a hash of things for the GOP

Electable Republicans are losing primaries because only the hardcore show up for off-season votes.

Oh, and if the last 75 years are any guide, incumbents usually win.

It's going to be tough, but the Dems will hold on.

[PBS Poll-435]

30. K & R. Love the Optimism! Elections Have Consequences

FUN!

:P

[earth mom]

Is this why you came back-TO FORCE YOUR OPINION down our throats?

:eyes:

[SidDithers]

34. When you have the option of not reading them...

then they're not being forced upon you. :eyes: :eyes:

Sid

[WilliamPitt]

37. You clicked my thread

...and that equals forcing opinions?

(facepalm)

[PBS Poll-435]

38. WTF?

Just got whiplash.

[Old and In the Way]

51. seriously, do you how dumb your post looks?

To repeat: "Is this why you came back-TO FORCE YOUR OPINION down our throats?"

OK, you can't possibly be serious....or you could be a Sarah Palin supporter. The options are bleak.

[POAS]

61. I'm going with

Palin wanna-be.

The above opinion was read voluntarily by you, the reader. Any opinion as to force and or throats will be given due consideration before flushing.

[DireStrike]

73. Erm, it's a prediction

If anything this places him in a position of weakness.

If you don't like his prediction (or him), just bookmark the thread for later use.

[CBR]

92. He is dissenting from popular opinion around here.

Don't want to stifle dissent do you?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

104. I know the idea of Democrats keeping Congress and the WH makes you upset.

Personally, I find that a good thing.

[Scurrilous]

117. ...

:thumbsup:

[SidDithers]

31. All in good fun, Will, but I gotta post this one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=7496377

FWIW, I think you're right this time :hi:

Sid

[WilliamPitt]

39. See post #

Up at the top.

;)

[smalll]

46. Oooh! I missed that one! "Martha Coakley will win" ---

"bank on it." :rofl:

:rofl: "BANK ON IT" :rofl:

"BANK ON IT!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Why, I could roll about on the floor here for, why, up to TWENTY-FOUR BUSINESS HOURS, that's so good!

[laughingliberal]

57. So, I'm thinking, 'not who you want to ask for advice on stock buys.' nt

[Steely_Dan]

35. I Hope That You Are Correct....n/t

[Skittles]

49. ditto

[Control-Z]

42. I agree, and have never doubted it. n/t

[pnorman]

43. I think so too!

But he WILL NEED as large a "validation" by the upcoming mid-term election as can be gotten. Only then will he have the "clout" to carry through on his promises

Wait till AFTER November before hollering "Corporate Sellout"! Is that asking for too much?!

[Cleita]

47. I agree.

However, keeping them doesn't mean that we are going to get the democracy we want. There are all those corporate Dems that have to go in future elections.

[Old and In the Way]

50. Was there any doubt?

'Saders got a direct line to god/politics. :toast:

[Dark]

52. Statistically speaking, it's impossible. But statistacally speaking, W. winning was impossible.

Weird things happen, but I think we'll hold onto the house.

It's the senate I'm worried about.

[NewJeffCT]

86. I feel the opposite

I think looney-tunes extremists like Rand Paul & Sharron Angle will ensure Democrats retain control of the Senate.

Granted, we then have Ben Nelson as GOPer on many issues and Lieberman almost as bad.

[Hippo_Tron]

115. How is it stastically impossible?

There are dozens of house races that are too close to tell. Only about half need to break the Dems' way to hold the house.

[Pushed To The Left]

53. What an incredible victory that would be!

In some ways, it would be sweeter than 08 because the momentum seems to be against us. I hope you are right!

[ismnotwasm]

56. Good

Better, much, much, much better than the alternative.

[Scurrilous]

59. K & R

:thumbsup:

[sea four]

62. Freepers said the same thing in 2006 and 2008.

[jaxx]

63. I give you an "A" for that, and I agree.

The wingnuts have noped themselves into a party of nothing.

[Kahuna]

64. I hope your flame-retardant suit is fully zipped up.

:popcorn:

[Common Sense Party]

66. What, do we own Diebold now?

[Hubert Flottz]

67. I think so too...unless the voters are all too stupid to remember

living under a semi-dictatorship for eight years. Or unless the races are close enough for the paperless voting machines to work their black magic again.

If you're wrong, I'll be wrong too.

[Kahuna]

83. Sadly, many of them are. Including those who howled the loudest nt

[Codeine]

68. Bank it. nt

[HughBeaumont]

69. Yes.

As much as you hear about the heavily-bigoted and idiotic DoucheBaggers, America isn't insanely stupid enough to turn the reins back over to the Confederacy of Dunces or put SarUh Palin/Mitt Romney in office.

Bush/Reagan Redux is an economic failure, and we're not reliving that mess again. Just one more Republican presidency will mean catastrophe. The batch of GOP idiots out there are like Dumbya x 200.

[DireStrike]

72. I agree.

Obama is helpful enough to the corporatists that they'll keep him (and the party) around.

Us leftists are not a threat. The only thing remotely threat-like to them right now is the tea party (the tiny portion of it that they themselves aren't financing.)

[zipplewrath]

74. I agree on the first two

2012 is going to depend greatly on 2 things, the economy, and whether the GOP can find a decent candidate. I'm worried about the former only because the administration seems to be taking the attitude of "we've done all we can". I'd worry more about the later if I could think of one decent GOP presidential candidate.

[ChiciB1]

75. With The Democrats We Have One Our Side (So Called) I REALLY

wonder if if matters at all! Spare me the usual retort about "would it be better if" I don't think I know WHAT to think anymore!!

My disappointment GROWS DAILY!!

JMHO!

[DevonRex]

76. K&R, Will. You are not wrong.

Bookmarked.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

77. But lets not take it for granted. We have a lot of hard work

to do to make this happen

[tridim]

78. The Repukes have no idea what they're in for during the next two months.

This Dem campaign is going to be relentless and fun.

The Repukes have NOTHING!

[spanone]

79. don't forget the media in 2006...dems could NEVER win the house or senate

they are trying the same thing.....lie the thugs into office

[bdamomma]

127. oh the media is the biggest culprit, they are starting now.

by time the election gets here we will be overdosed on rhetoric.

[Sheepshank]

80. DONNING TIN FOIL HAT........

a co-worker of mine mentioned that the whole Tea Party fiasco is a Dem infiltration plot to disrupt, cause disarray and dissect the Rep party. It's the plan worked up by Dems in reaction to the Reps demolishing ACORN.

How'd you like them conspiracy statements?

BTW..a rec and a nod "yea" to the OP

[NJmaverick]

81. K&R

[SunsetDreams]

82. K&R

[NewJeffCT]

84. I think the GOP presidential nominee in 2012 will be pushed so far right

by the GOP primaries, that they'll be unelectable. Obama vs Palin is an LBJ/Goldwater type landslide...

That said, I think we keep the Senate, but the House will be a toss-up.

[AlinPA]

91. Palin would carry nearly all of the southern states, wheras Goldwater won AZ,LA,MS,AL,GA,SC.

Palin would carry TN, OK, KS, KY, WVA, ID, UT, TX, WY, ND and possibly NE in addition to those Goldwater got.

[NewJeffCT]

94. native McCain only carried AZ by 8.5%

that's not a huge margin. Plus, with TX trending more Hispanic, TX is no given for the GOP.

GA was a 5 point win for McCain. Missouri & Montana were also close wins for McCain.

Plus, Palin was a drag on the GOP ticket last time out. If she actually led the ticket, it would be more of a drag. The wackos would turn out, but the moderates would not vote for her and the rest of the GOP would not turn out for her.

[AlinPA]

102. I just can't see the republicans not supporting their candidate, and there are very few moderates

in the party now. The base consists of the teabaggers, fundamentalists, extreme Christian right, birthers, anti-government, and anti-immigrant voters.

[progressoid]

87. Ummm...can that be done with a dialup connection?

Need a little clarification just in case.

I'm hoping you are right but...how does one shove an internet thread up one's ass?

[madokie]

88. i agree

[Robbins]

89. My feeling

If Obama remains at 42 percent and the senate polls remain where they are at(Ignore RAS.Pay more attention to PPP)
Republicans will narrorlly take the House and Democrats will narrorly keep the Senate.

I am not worried about 2012.Obama will be relected.Republicans taking the House will guarantee Obama's reelection.Remember at one point in 1994 Clinton was at 35 percent approval.back In 1984 Regan was at 42 percent right before the mid term.Remember Romney Is
almost certainly the nominee of the republicans and Gingrich and not Palin(despite the MSM attention) IS emerging as Romney's biggest
opporent In primary.Democrats will have ads ready to go against both of them before they ever have the chance to debate Obama.And any
gains by Republicans In 2010 could be reveased In 2012.

[jpak]

93. yup!

:thumbsup:

[B Calm]

95. The people in this country have a short memory, and the cons

are damn good at propaganda. Even with those two things working against us, I think you're right Will!

[madfloridian]

96. So count those of us who want our party to take stands...

as insignificant little gnats to be flicked away as unimportant.

[NJmaverick]

97. I am one of those that wants my party to take stands and you

most certainly don't speak for me!

[NC_Nurse]

98. I hope you're right.

[Barack2theFuture]

99. who is "We"?

Is important in that case.

Are "we" defined by a label, or unified by a set of principles, or what?

[quiet.american]

100. Now that I can get behind (no pun intended). Cheers. nt

[tomp]

101. that's such a big deal. they've been so effective up to now. nt

[Vincardog]

106. Yes but will we kick any 'blue dog' DINOs to the curb?

[rhett o rick]

108. Good to see you Mr. Pitt. The Democrats may well win as you predict. However, our progressive

agenda will stagnate anyway. The Republicans seem to be doing ok in the minority. The important issue is will the Democrats elected, get us better health care, jobs, homes, protect the environment, stop the wars, etc? All the radical things the wacky left fights for.

[DinahMoeHum]

110. From your mouth to G*d's ears.

Now, it's up to ALL OF US to ensure this will be so.

:kick::kick::kick:

[Hekate]

111. KnR--Rec just in under the wire for the 24 hour limit. I think you're right, Will.

[asdjrocky]

112. As we fixate on the contest-

We ignore the children going to bed hungry tonight.

[donheld]

113. From your keyboard to God's Ears.

[McCamy Taylor]

116. Will, you went to bed early in 2004 because you said Kerry would win.

I hate to bring this up, but at the time I really wondered how you could be so relaxed when there was so much blatant election fraud going down in Ohio. We had witnessed Florida 2000 and how easy it was for Bush and Co. to steal an election with a Democratic sitting president and a Democratic attorney general.

You can not make predictions about elections if you simply consider the will of the people. You have to take into account the political machinations of the parties. Third party splitters, voter intimidation, antiquated vote tabulation technology---these have always played a part if US elections, but they are even more important in recent years.

[S_E_Fudd]

118. Dems lose the House, scrape by in the Senate...

Obama is reelected in 2012

[Poboy]

119. So what?

If they are passing literally republican bills, what is the difference?

[bigtree]

121. very likely

we'll need to rile a few more folks to the polls. There's a pack on the right who are itching to stick it to our Democratic president, and are going to be a bit animated by the tripe they've been fed by Bohner, Cantor, etc.

We'll need to do as the President started doing with his warnings about republicans privatizing SS, and continue that theme of danger from the potential of a return to an extreme republican Congress. I think our party is up to it, although it is a bit of a risk to be at all sanguine about our chances.

[Demeter]

120. I know you aren't wrong

and that's the problem. Same old quagmire, no change to speak of.

[geek tragedy]

122. Agree on the last two, thanks to nutty Teabagger candidates.

I think the House is a goner-R+48.

[derby378]

123. I hope you're right, Will - I really do

I can say with growing confidence, however, that Texas is about to get its first Democratic Governor since Ann Richards. :hi: