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Project Grudge (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 12:35 AM Original message |
"Attacking Social Security" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
1. K & R for sanity |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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Suich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. K&R! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. We're going to have to raise taxes to pay back the trust fund |
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Project Grudge (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. On your second "problem" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. That would be the first "problem" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. 75% of 2037 benefits = 100% of today's in real dollars. plus the 2037 scenario = a projection, |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
40. I'll never forget Little Boot's maniacal chuckle, basically |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
41. Why not tax wealth instead of income. |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
51. Asserting that "people at DU" think "the rich should have to pay everything" is a false, ad hominem |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. There is no need to raise taxes. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Well that's good news |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Galbraith, Stiglitz, Krugman.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Where? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Not a complete answer, but a good link |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Yeah, I read that a couple days ago, really disagree |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. We can argue that the government has made very poor spending decisions.. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. That is the plan, though, right? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Those SS bonds that the trust fund holds.. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Taxes don't fund spending at the federal level. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Yes I've read the endless borrowing theory |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Deleted message |
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. What?? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Alert away. I was talking about ideas, and in plain language. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. No, I haven't |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Not my choice, but there's nothing outrageous about doing so |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. That is the... "there is no trust fund" model |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. If we frame it as FICA then why are we talking about a crisis? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I'm not talking about a crisis |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. "the rich" don't pay fica. "the rich" make their money from capital. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. "People have been begging for social security to be put in its own fund for decades" |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. We are not Greece. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Right right. It can't happen here |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Does AIG print its own currency? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. it's not a "theory," it's a fact. the us has run deficit budgets for all but a few years of its |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-17-10 02:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
55. Greece and the US are apples and oranges |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
30. rescinding the bush tax cuts on the top 1% = no need to raise fica. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. For at least the thousandth time, no we're not. The so-called "trust fund" is a rather large pile |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 10:14 AM Response to Reply #32 |
38. "This entire non-issue is a scam to get your money, that is the only truth involved in this..." |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Thank you. This poster is absolutely convinced that giving the thieves even more |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Youth, probably. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. So you want to borrow the money |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Do you understand that those bonds do exist,, are 'earning' interest, |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Absolutely I understand they exist |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. They are unrelated. The bonds are an existing commitment, there is no option to pay. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. "Commitment" doesn not equal "Cash" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-17-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. That's what's wrong with this whole myth, that this is a debt that must be paid back. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Why can't we talk about the $4 trillion & $13 trillion? |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. China holds only a small portion of our debt. |
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steve2470 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
6. k&r nt |
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disidoro01 (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
36. Ok, Ok |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
37. K&R |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
39. K&R |
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fogonthelake (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
48. good on Paul. I wish he had Obama's ear. |
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joe black (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
52. I don't hear anything about it. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-16-10 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
54. K&R |
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