First-rate Propaganda: "Hamas nod for Ground Zero mosque"

[Jeffersons Ghost]

Hamas nod for Ground Zero mosque
Terror group's leader: 'Have to build it'

By S.A. MILLER in Washington and TOM TOPOUSIS in New York

A leader of the Hamas terror group yesterday jumped into the emotional debate on the plan to construct a mosque near Ground Zero -- insisting Muslims "have to build" it there.

"We have to build everywhere," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization's chief on the Gaza Strip.

"In every area we have, as Muslims, we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer," he said on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/hamas_nod_for_gz_mosque_cSohH9eha8sNZMTDz0VVPI#ixzz0wmQ9jAfi

[annabanana]

1. I wouldn't use the Post for toilet paper

It might soil my shit.

[still_one]

2. How many people are aware that the current location is a Burlington Coat Factory, and there is

an existing mosque in the area?

I put the blame for the disinformation squarely at the feet of the MSM

Remember the MSM. They help propel us into Iraq based on a lie

Why would anyone trust what the media says without checking multiple sources and verification?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

4. it's all designed to build support for the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan

[closeupready]

9. That's exactly right.

n/t

[EstimatedProphet]

31. And begin a Holy War with Islam, so that fundies can all get raptured

Think about that for a second - there's a driving force in our country to end civilization in a huge fireball, so that they can get sucked up to heaven and look down at everyone who is left behind and laugh at them. This is what is now driving our foreign policy.

[dkf]

7. How many people realize flight 175 went through the south tower, through the north tower and then

Its landing gear and part of the fuselage went through the roof and top two floors of the Burlington Coat Factory building?

[uppityperson]

10. How many people realize how far debris spread and how many think nothing should be built

anywhere that was impacted by the 9/11 attacks? How many people are protesting the mosque INSIDE the pentagon, which had not just debris but a jet flown into it?

Are you?

[still_one]

13. There is already an existing Mosque in the area. How many of these people are NOT from NY

never cared for the city, and are only using it to justify their prejudice

The Constitution is more than a piece of paper, and it does not surprise me since much of this populous had no problem embracing the patriot act and over-riding of FISA

[uppityperson]

16. Did you read this, below, from that same poster?

"We seem to talk out of both sides of our mouth telling the world that Islam is a peaceful religion then freaking out at every Muslim country who wants nuclear weapons.

The day we help some friendly Muslim country get the bomb is the day Ill believe we believe that."

[dkf]

18. Just pointing out the hypocrisy involved

We went to war with Iraq over this. Its a joke.

[seabeyond]

20. your hypocrisy. your fabricating the reality for your agenda. you using 911 victims death

for your agenda.

[dkf]

30. My agenda?

What agenda? If anything my agenda is to inform people so they know what they are talking about. I cant stand misinformation and spin. It drives me crazy.

[seabeyond]

32. i sit here with mouth hanging open. say what??? no to misinformation and spin????

no fuckin way. what universe are you living in that you see your posts as informative and not that very misinformation and spin you reject....

i was introduced to you thru the post saying an article as to why they wanted that particular site, as if there is a sinister reason. and a huge ass shame on you. you spun. shamefully. the opposite of the purpose for the site. you use the compassion of those that died and the families pain to get your agenda pushed.

you are exatly opposite of what you portray yourself to be

[dkf]

35. Actually I see it the opposite way. The Imam there wanted to build an American style Islam

And sought to make himself the head of Moderate Islam in the United States. He knew that building a Mosque on the site of a building wrecked by a 9/11 plane would thrust him into the spotlight. The goal of all religions is to grow and he sees putting a mosque on a 9/11 site as a way to do that.

There are so many ways to see this issue. From the point of view of non Muslim families of 9/11 victims, the point of view of Muslim families of 9/11 victims, extremists like bin Laden, extremists like Sarah Palin, the average Jordanian (ie normal Joe Muslim), average Joe American, etc.

This discussion isn't complete until you consider what the impact is on all of these people...go down the list and you can guess the reaction of individuals, then you can begin to get an idea of the advisability of this project.

The problem at this site is we latch onto one pov, in this case that it had nothing to do with 9/11 and that ends the discussion. That argument doesn't begin to scratch the surface of the implications.

[seabeyond]

36. our constitution is not about individual consideration. it is not up for vote. nt

[uppityperson]

39. Fail. "The problem at this site is we latch onto one pov, in this case that it had nothing to do.."

"The problem at this site is we latch onto one pov, in this case that it had nothing to do with 9/11". No. YOU are the one arguing that it was the site of the 9/11 attacks and why we invaded Iraq. The rest of us are arguing religious freedom and seeing the fact that the building was only incidentally damaged, like so many others in the area.

Building a community center to promote peace which contains a mosque in the same neighborhood as sex stores and within a block or 2 of another mosque, 2 long city blocks from the WTC center and not visible from there does not need to "consider the impact on..." everyone.

[seabeyond]

25. do you know what rw'ers and people like your are bitchin about? muslims NOT standing up against

extremist. and then this man does. he takes it head on. he gives the rw and you exactly what you are demanding of them and then you SHIT all over it and throw your little tantrum

[uppityperson]

38. We went to war with Iraq over the non-9/11 site mosque or the burlington coat factory?

I'd never heard of the Burlington coat factory before this manufactured hoohaw. And all this time I thought we invaded Iraq because of oil. Silly me.

[still_one]

11. and? The point I was making there is already an existing mosque in the area

and the location they are talking about is a Burlington Coat Factory

Curious what your point is?

[dkf]

17. Location location location.

Put it wherever, just not on a site demolished by a fellow Muslim. Do I care if its two blocks away in the other direction? Not really. But as it stands it is insensitive and that is the bad impression I am getting of this group of Muslims.

Now Im upset at what are supposed to be the good Muslims. Great PR on their part huh? Of course if they don't care what people think and want to create dislike then they are doing a heckuva job.

[LanternWaste]

21. Does that apply to any and all structures in any location

"put it wherever, just not on a site demolished by a fellow Muslim."

Does that apply to any and all structures in any location in regards to any and all religions that have any blood at all on their hands? No Catholic Community Center should be built in Ulster? etc.

[dkf]

29. If that creates bad blood in Ulster then its a bad idea.

I'm agnostic so I have no Religious dog in this fight. So I try to see this from all sides of the issue.

I'm seeing a community that asks for sensitivity but demonstrates none. Moreover their attempt to foster peace is fomenting tension. If by now they havent realized this is bad for their cause then they are obtuse and I have no patience for them.

[seabeyond]

34. it is much better to cowar from who we are as a nation, appease our fear. kinda like all the rights

we have given up because of the hate and fear of the muslim religion over the last decade.

not thank you. i am not so very GD afraid as to cowar behind illusionary protections because of your fears and hate.

[LanternWaste]

40. I imagine we see what better validates...

"So I try to see this from all sides of the issue..."
I have seen no evidence of that.

"I'm seeing a community that asks for sensitivity but demonstrates none."
I imagine we see what better validates our own preconceived notions and opinions, e.g., I do see a community not only asking for, for illustrating sensitivity.


"Moreover their attempt to foster peace is fomenting tension..."
Or the staged reactions are the catalyst for tension.

"then they are obtuse and I have no patience for them..."
Well, I believe one or more sides certainly are acting obtuse, but it's my opinion that it's most certainly not coming from the side of the supporters of the community center. I see little more than issues being muddied by, and conflated with other wholly unrelated issues.

[seabeyond]

22. it isnt on the fuckin site. you cant say not on site and then say, dont care it isnt on the site

the dishonesty is abhorrent.

[still_one]

26. I am simply talking about the Constitution. What is being propagated is hate pure and simple

and the message is very clear, Muslims are terrorists, beware

I am Jewish, and I have been through similar stereotypes, and because of that experience am very disappointed in this

Even your characterization as "This group of Muslims", is the same thing I have experienced

In the play The Merchant of Venice, one of the most antisemitic plays in literature, Shylock is referred to as "the Jew". He is dehumanized, and considered "evil", unlike the "noble Christian" counterparts, and of course is only redeemed when at the end the verdict forces him to become "christian"

There is very little difference in this hate frenzy, spurned by the media, and those outside of the city, then the bullshit I went through growing up in the fifties and sixties

[Doctor_J]

28. So no Christian church should be built in OKC

near where Tim McVeigh demolished the Murrah Building?

You need to turn off Hate Radio

[seabeyond]

33. +1. and it isnt an invitation to now bash christianity. but i hear ya. nt

[Rabrrrrrr]

44. So then, since it was basically Christians who genocided the native Americans,

no churches in America? No synagogues, either, since the Jews were part of our military as well. Oh, wait, I bet we also had Muslims helping push those nasty Indians back to their heaven.

How far back does your idiocracy go? What do we with Mexico? The Catholics basically trashed the native population there, so there should, by your logic, be no churches there - and yet, on the other hand, the country is now so predominantly Catholic that such a ban on churches would actually be hurtful... except, wait, the Catholics destroyed, so they shouldn't be allowed...

AH! Now my head hurts!!!

How about instead we just follow the law that says that people can build shit wherever they want, pursuant to zoning laws, and irrespective of their religious or ideological outlook?

[seabeyond]

19. why wont you be fuckin honest and tell the mans intent in using this building

why are you so afraid to be honest. how corrupt it is to use the dead of 911 for your agenda. there is nothing more pathetic or disgusting in order to promote your hate.

[mmonk]

43. We do. Does that it make a holy ground for a warrior god or something?

[mmonk]

45. If two cars crash in front of my house and a piece of debris

such as a tail light or bumper lands in my yard, then is my yard where the impact occurred?

[Rabrrrrrr]

46. It's both where the impact occured, AND a place where those car owners' co-religionists better not

build anything, ever! Not even near your home!!!! Not within four fucking blocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Out of sensitivity to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Isn't the hyperbole and bullshit getting excessive in here? Jesus Christ. I can't believe so-called progressives have so bought into the hate and fear and Constitution-destroying mentality of the party that is more normally associated with such anti-freedom, xenophobic, hatefilled nonsense.

[Rabrrrrrr]

47. How many people realize it doesn't fucking matter?

Not enough, apparently.

:eyes:

[closeupready]

8. Because they agree with the bigotry.

And disapprove of statements in favor of religious freedom that come without "...but"

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[uppityperson]

5. and OMG Islam is SO Scary!!!!111111

I mean, even those nasty radicals like it so it MUST be BAD, just like you've been posting!!11111

I'm SERIES!!!!111

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[seabeyond]

24. you are the one freaking out. you are the one talking out both side, and it isnt your mouth

you yell about this mosque NOT on the site, then bitch about war, then bitch about the drumms to iran.

[still_one]

27. This is NOT about "getting the bomb". This is about our Constitution. This is the worst face that

America can display

This is based on pure prejudice. It is the same prejudice that allowed the country to confiscate property from the Japanese Americans during WWII, and sent to internment camps. It is the same prejudice that caused the lynching, and bombing of synagogues and African American churches in the South during the Civil Rights movement

This country was founded on religious freedom, and through the bill of rights and other amendments declared that civil rights is a basic part of our Constitution

[seabeyond]

23. move to a country that does not allow diversity or freedom of religion if you have such an issue.

what you want is not what this country is.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. The Rabbis have supported it

[Subdivisions]

15. I'm just about as sick as I can fucking get of these childish weekly

manufactured controversies.

I feel like I'm living in the middle of a day care center watching as the children fight over the silliest things.

[Douglas Carpenter]

37. a NYT article about Imam Feisal and his plan for the center written before the crazy hate campaign

Muslim Prayers and Renewal Near Ground Zero
By RALPH BLUMENTHAL and SHARAF MOWJOOD
Published: December 8, 2009

snip:

“ As a Sufi, Imam Feisal follows a path of Islam focused more on spiritual wisdom than on strict ritual, and as a bridge builder, he is sometimes focused more on cultivating relations with those outside his faith than within it.

snip:

Those who have worked with him say if anyone could pull off what many regard to be a delicate project, it would be Imam Feisal, whom they described as having built a career preaching tolerance and interfaith understanding.

“He subscribes to my credo: ‘Live and let live,’ ” said Rabbi Arthur Schneier, spiritual leader of Park East Synagogue on East 67th Street.

snip:

The mayor’s director of the Office of Immigrant Affairs, Fatima Shama, went further. “We as New York Muslims have as much of a commitment to rebuilding New York as anybody,” Ms. Shama said. Imam Feisal’s wife, Daisy Khan, serves on an advisory team for the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, and Lynn Rasic, a spokeswoman for the memorial, said, “The idea of a cultural center that strengthens ties between Muslims and people of all faiths and backgrounds is positive.”


snip:

“ Building so close is owning the tragedy. It’s a way of saying: ‘This is something done by people who call themselves Muslims. We want to be here to repair the breach, as the Bible says.’ ”

The F.B.I. said Imam Feisal had helped agents reach out to the Muslim population after Sept. 11. “We’ve had positive interactions with him in the past,” said an agency spokesman, Richard Kolk. Alice Hoagland of Las Gatos, Calif., whose son, Mark Bingham, was killed in the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, said, “It’s quite a bold step buying a piece of land adjacent to ground zero,” but she said she considered plans for the site “a noble effort.”

snip:

Joy Levitt, executive director of the Jewish Community Center, said the group would be proud to be a model for Imam Feisal at ground zero. “For the J.C.C. to have partners in the Muslim community that share our vision of pluralism and tolerance would be great,” she said.

Mr. El-Gamal agreed. “What happened that day,” he said, “was not Islam.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/nyregion/09mosque.html

link to the cordoba intiative:

http://www.cordobainitiative.org /

link to Imam Feisal Press Conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIPO7CVflA

[Tommy_Carcetti]

41. Who cares what Hamas' position is, really?

In the end, this is a local zoning matter, and neither Hamas nor the Tea Parties nor any other entity has any say on the issue.

[alp227]

42. And of course Cordoba said "no thank you" to Hamas

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/08/cordoba-mosque-hamas-is-not-us/61601/

Yesterday I was at the Boston-Logan airport on my way back home from vacation. I saw the "Metro Edition" of the NYP being sold at the newsstand. A couple shelves under the shelf that displayed the new Michelle Malkin book Culture of Corruption. I took a photo of it:



I thought that this story as any story pushed by Murdoch media outlets had some distruth to it. And when I came to DU and did a quick Google News search I knew it.