Reid: Build mosque elsewhere - AP

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

Way to go Harry! Standing up for religious freedom is so....dangerous to your political campaign.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GROUND_ZERO_MOSQUE_REID?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-08-16-15-17-51


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate's top Democrat says a mosque should not be built near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada on Monday became the highest profile Democrat to break with President Barack Obama, who on Friday backed the right for the developers to build a mosque near ground zero.

In a statement, Reid said the first amendment protects freedom of religion and he respects that, but the mosque should be built somewhere else.
Critics have said the location of the mosque is insensitive because the terrorists who struck were Islamic extremists.

Reid is in a tight campaign for re-election in Nevada. His opponent, Republican Sharron Angle, earlier in the day called for Reid to say whether he agreed with Obama.

[golddigger]

1. What a spineless fuckin wimp!

[felinetta]

34. I have one question for Harry: When Obama put his hand on the

Bible did he swear to uphold the emotions of people or the
Constitution? So sad but true that 
we still need him in the Senate over Sharon Angle.

[niyad]

2. and he thinks kowtowing to the fundie wingnuts is going to win him the election?

[EC]

3. So he folds... n/t

[blm]

4. and no fundy church should be near Oklahoma City bombing site because McVeigh was a fundy extremist

,

[Bluebear]

12. +++

[wtmusic]

18. bingo. nt

[movonne]

23. Best answer....a big plus 1...

[Lance_Boyle]

33. Timothy McVeigh was not a fundamentalist christian,

just an anti-government extremist. This comparison is poor.

[blm]

37. he was a fundy CATHOLIC sharing the POLITICAL agenda of other fundie extremists

who called themselves Christians. All Christians aren't catholics, but, all catholics are Christians.

You know...like porpoises are dolphins.

You are welcome to believe some of the sanitizing that has been done about McVeigh's beliefs...I remember clearly what was reported at the time.

[Jim__]

41. "Science is my religion" - Timothy Mcveigh

According to wikipedia:

McVeigh's only known political affiliations were his voter registration with the Republican Party of New York when he lived in Buffalo, New York, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.<79>

In a recorded interview with Time magazine<80> McVeigh professed his belief in "a god", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.<81><82> McVeigh once said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."<83>

[blm]

44. Revisionism that conveniently downplays that his 'core' Catholic beliefs

were no different than the fundy catholic movement active at the time that also just happened to share his anti-government bent. I know because my mother was one and would actually bring pamphlets home from her church that had David Duke material in them.

[Jim__]

50. Well, it looks like McVeigh was the revisionist.

The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.<81><82>

There are citations for all 3 claims by McVeigh. I guess before speaking out he should have asked you what he believed.

[blm]

51. You're obviously invested in absolving religious beliefs for McVeigh's impetus, but, I view it

dfferently based on what was reported at the TIME and intimate knowledge of the CATHOLIC fundie movement at the TIME that coincidentally held to the same anti-government agenda.

and LOL at your beneficent view of what the 'corporate media' claims ANYONE said in the political atmosphere of the last two decades.

[Jim__]

57. No. I paid attention to what was being said at the time.

The claim that a fundamentalist catholic would deny his faith at a time when he was facing imminent death is ludicrous. I accept the documented statements by McVeigh over your claim to "know." And, your citation of Time in the same post in which you attck my citation of "corporate media" is about as silly as it gets.

Your claims about McVeigh are as unsubstantiated as your claims about my obvious investment in "absolving McVeigh's religious beliefs." Telling me about what I'm obviously invested in only goes to further verify that you claim to know things that you clearly don't.

[Freetradesucks]

61. blm just got spanked

[blm]

63. LOLOL...hardly...and...let's pretend I was... why would it be notable to you?

.

[Freetradesucks]

70. Just making an observation,

that's all. It was pretty funny how you called him out for using "corporate media" sources, and then cited Time magazine.

[blm]

71. LOLOL...I didn't cite TIME magazine...I wrote 'at the TIME' emphasizing the word time....

sheesh....try reading AND comprehending.

[Freetradesucks]

72. I see you edited your post to change the Time magazine

reference to make it seem like you where just talking about a "time" in history. That's funny.

[blm]

73. you have GOT to be kidding....look at the TIME of the edit..and look at time of YOUR post

that claimed I was citing TIME magazine.

Editing window is only one hour. Your claim is absurd and you're making it because you can't admit you READ THE POST INCORRECTLY.

[Freetradesucks]

74. I suppose Jim has a reading comprehension problem as well.

I followed the thread before I decided to chime in.

For you to say that you know unequivocally that Mcviegh was a fundy Catholic, despite the words coming out of his own mouth to the contrary, shows your prejudice.

[blm]

87. He never claimed I said was citing TIME, you did, and then accused me of editing - you are wrong and

can't admit you're wrong.

I know that fundie catholics like my mother and her friends had been having organized meetings since the late 60s and early 70s and anti-government rhetoric became the focal point of those meetings, just as it did with some fundie Christian groups. I know this because I attended them as a schoolgirl. McVeigh was influenced by this fundamentalism whether he chose to admit it or not, to himself or others.

BTW...it was the same fundy catholic faction that David Brock's father and Mel Gibson's father belonged. The group in the 80s and 90s was shunned by Rome and the Pope and banned in England. The RW turn of the world saw their numbers surge, the ban was lifted in England, and now we have Supreme Court justices that are closely aligned with this ideology.

What McVeigh did was not completely unexpected to those who paid attention.

[Jax]

103. No. Not even close.

keep telling yourself that maybe you will believe it.

blm is running circles around idiot lies and posts with facts as blm ALWAYS does.

[blm]

62. When he was at the TIME of his death he had a Catholic priest give him Last Rites

so...why are you of the belief that he denied his faith at his death?

[jonnyblitz]

76. McVeigh told Gore Vidal in letter correspondence that he

initiated with him from prison that he was an agnostic.

[wtmusic]

84. McVeigh belonged to the Church of Guns.

"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

No Tim - they don't have to have control of the people at all times. They don't even have to have control of all the nitromethane and fertilizer, although they're going to be keeping a closer eye thanks to your murderous antics.

[blm]

89. and later asked for the Last Rites....ever think it possible McVeigh saw himself the martyr to the

extent that he would bear ALL punishment and deflect all blame FROM his church? Based on his demeanor at the time of his arrest and till his death, he always appeared the stoic good soldier to me.

[leftynyc]

91. Did his religion compel him

to blow up the building? Is that what you're claiming? Did he ever state that his religious beliefs made it mandatory for him to fight the infidel? I remember him being an anti-government nut - not a religious nut but I'm certainly willing to read any links that prove me wrong.

[blm]

93. NO...I never said catholic religion made him do it. How did you come to see that?

.

[Mimosa]

86. McVeigh was not a Catholic nor a Christian

No believer in traditional Christianity would have done what McVeigh did because of the fear of judgment and going to Hell.

[leftynyc]

90. So where is your link?

I see others who say you're wrong backing themselves up with links. Where are yours because I also remember him as saying he wasn't particularly religious.

[blm]

92. His ideology STEMMED from his fundie Catholic background. Those links repeated what

any self-ordained martyr would say...that he acted independent from religious beliefs so that the institution would be spared. BTW...McVeigh DID ask for Last Rites before his death.

[onpatrol98]

38. ???

I'm perplexed at this comparison. Timothy McVeigh was raised by parents who were Irish Catholics. Well, until his parents divorced when he was 10.

You may have better access to information than I do. But, I can't find anything that suggests he considered himself a Christian or even slightly religious as an adult.

In fact, the few documents I've read state that he considered himself agnostic and that he didn't believe in hell.

I've been baffled at the media personalities that throw this comparison around as well. But, to be honest, I've become used to their rather lax use of facts to bolster their opinions.

[blm]

40. By all reports the terrorists weren't strict Muslims, either....they had girlfriends and drank and

and partied with hookers.

Some fundie Catholics are right up there with Dominionists. I know...my mother was one of them since the 70s. Pure politics, too. Same anti-government rhetoric, all ginned up to benefit the fascist agenda.

[onpatrol98]

46. terrorists weren't strict Muslims?

I think the terrorists were self proclaimed Muslims and McVeigh was a self proclaimed Agnostic.

LOL

:rofl:
-------------------
I know conventional wisdom from some suggests that whenever we discuss one religion we have to find a way to tie it to Christianity in some manner. I'm simply suggesting, this connection, is false. I'm sure there is probably another real connection out there.

Maybe the terrorists owned dogs...and Christians own dogs. Wait...maybe that one won't work either.

Some people who proclaim to be Christians do horrible things. There is no doubt about it. No doubt, if a group of Christians hijacks a few planes and runs them into buildings, it sincerely will not be a surprise to see lots of people up in arms about the insensitivity of the issue if Rick Warren seeks to put a mega Church near the site of carnage in the hopes of seeking tolerance and healing.

As DU has stated so very eloquently...it would be legal. This is America, after all. As for tactful...perhaps not so much. I imagine it depends on how its received by the population.

[Fumesucker]

53. McVeigh asked for last rites to be performed by a priest..

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/06/11/mcveigh.03/index.html


TERRE HAUTE, Indiana (CNN) -- Strapped to a gurney, awaiting the lethal injection Monday that would punish him for the Oklahoma City bombing, Timothy McVeigh asked to see a priest.

Bureau of Prisons officials said McVeigh, a self-described agnostic, received the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick by an unidentified prison chaplain.

[onpatrol98]

60. Strapped to a gurney...about to die...he asks to see a Priest

Okay...I agree. Clearly he was a born again Christian. How could I have ever doubted?

LOL

It's exactly the same....of course, it is...

:freak:

----------------
:rofl:

[blm]

65. fundie and born again aren't always the same...

fundie Catholics do have a shared political agenda with fundie Christians and McVeigh's action was an anti-government POLITICAL statement.

[onpatrol98]

79. agreed

I think I agree with you.

McVeigh wanted to make a big anti-government political statement. He didn't do this in the name of Christianity. He did it in the name of McVeigh and his personal distaste for what he perceived as Big Brother - Uncle Sam.

To me...this is scarier than any tie to Islam or Christianity. It crosses many boundaries and political categories. It can make for strange bedfellows in a climate where more and more Americans are unemployed, under resourced, and looking for something or someone tangible to blame.

While it may make for fun discourse to pit people against each other based on religion, political party, or ethnicity...the rage that creates a McVeigh goes much deeper.

[blm]

96. Mindsets like McVeigh's are understandable to me based on what I observed at my mother's meetings

with fundie catholics that focused on anti-government rants, especially against the left. This was back in late 60s and early 70s when I attended with her as a schoolgirl (though I never bought in to it). They were called TFP, Tradition, Family, Property. It USED their religion to push them into what I later recognized as fascism, and realized that this underlying political indoctrination was happening in EVERY religion at the SAME TIME.

When McVeigh became known, I'd openly describe my mother as being McVeigh without the testerone, and unfortunately, there is no hyperbole in that observation. Yes....I do understand what was the base of his anti-government ideology.

Hard for many of you to see, but, for those of us exposed to the actual GROWTH of these groups over the decades, a McVeigh was expected.

[onpatrol98]

99. A different vantage point

Perhaps you have the benefit of a different vantage point. I'm not sure I could find someone as left as my mother or as religiously minded. Her religion always seemed to push her further left. Her need to reach out to people and to acknowledge the role we all played in lending a helping hand to those less fortunate and not pushing our will on the people who are around us.

[blm]

100. That's what happened to me...I was catholic in the same way Kucinich, in fact, he grew up near me

and for some time was housed at an orphanage run by my aunt (a nun). The political meetings of TFP moved my mother rightward. This is not something I often discuss, but, have found reason to do so here at DU on occasion. And, it's not something easily 'linked' when it's what you know accumulated from your personal exposure.

[Fumesucker]

69. His actions belied his words..

He claimed to be agnostic but then called for a priest.

If he actually had the courage of his convictions he would have lived (or died) them.

McVeigh was a theist, through and through and *that* is what you wish to deny.

[onpatrol98]

77. Courage

It takes strength of character to exhibit courage. McVeigh proved he lacked that when he committed his atrocities.

I have no idea what McVeigh truly believed in. I'm more than willing to assume you're right. McVeigh was a theist. But, that simply means he believed at least one deity exists.

What I think is ludicrous is the need to tie McVeigh to Christianity, because of the perception that Islam was tied to 9-11? I think the terrorists made an effort to connect Islam to those atrocities. I do not think McVeigh attempted to tie Christianity to his terror attack.

But, if it provides a strange sense of comfort for some to link the two incidences as if they could be synonymous...please continue. I think its a stretch. But, hey that's just me.

Perhaps you see an equivalency. I'm sorry. I simply don't. I'm not implying another example wouldn't exist. I just don't think this is one.

But, to be honest. It really doesn't matter. People kill. People do horrible things in the name of religion and in the name of anything else they can think of.

[Fumesucker]

83. I actually did quite a bit of reading about McVeigh..

He was a Gulf War combat vet and was described by several of his brothers in arms as "the best soldier I ever met", he was a crack shot who practiced a great deal and was armed when he was arrested, he could have easily shot the officer who arrested him and escaped at least temporarily, he had killed hundreds of people just minutes before, it's rather puzzling why he surrendered so peacefully.

Most people are complex and that appellation certainly holds true with McVeigh, I personally think it's a shame he was executed, I think that there was much more that could have been learned from and about him.

I think it is ludicrous the need to distance McVeigh from Christianity, he was raised a Christian and certainly died one. The need for a person who is seen as truly evil to not be a member of the dominant religion in this country is very strong in a lot of people.

[blm]

88. I know...in fact, McVeigh acted the good soldier with all the sincerity of pious upbringing.

In his demeanor he could have been one of my brothers, with a tendency towards obedient behavior.

That's why I am certain he believed he was doing what was righteous for the time and for his fundamentalism beliefs.

[onpatrol98]

95. Pious background

There are people with no religious backgrounds whatsoever that profess or exhibit a strict, traditional sense of virtue and morality based on their own belief system. And, the belief system may have absolutely nothing to do with a belief in God. It may. I simply don't believe its universal.

[onpatrol98]

94. Perhaps we agree...to a point.

"I think it is ludicrous the need to distance McVeigh from Christianity, he was raised a Christian and certainly died one. The need for a person who is seen as truly evil to not be a member of the dominant religion in this country is very strong in a lot of people."

There is no need to distance Christianity from McVeigh OR attach him to it. What perplexes me, I suppose, is simply the need to attach it to him. I know people who are now Atheists, but who were raised as Christians. I tend to allow them to define themselves. If one were close to death, but ask to speak to a Priest before he died...I would still consider him an Athiest who choose to speak to someone at what can be a daunting time of life.

I have a friend who is Muslim, who has attended Church with me. I don't now consider her a Christian. She considers herself Muslim. And, so do I. If I'm in a hospital and a priest is on duty and willing to speak with me. I have no problem listening. But, that doesn't make me Catholic.

I'm simply asking for honesty. If he was a Christian, so be it. I haven't met many Christians who don't believe in Hell. I also don't know of any Christians that would consider what McVeigh did as being Christlike. There are people who did not see Jesus as a deity but rather as a prophet, but, who profess to want to live a life as they believe Christ did. Not even they, consider themselves to be Christians. For whatever reason.

The person who shot a doctor, he considered to be an abortion doctor in a Church, considered himself to be a Christian. I find what he did reprehensible. I have no need to defend him. He thought he was doing a good deed for God. I thought he was off his rocker. It's not a stretch to attach him to Christianity. It's what he proclaimed he was.

I still think any attempt to make McVeigh the equivalent to 911 (in the discussion of the Islamic center) a stretch. Reasonable only to someone who has an ax to grind with religion in general no matter the flavor.

Although, I had never really thought about it before your post, I do agree, we didn't learn anything from killing him. That's a good point.

[blm]

97. Who said the 'terrorists' were staunch Islamists? They weren't by their actions in the years

and, especially the months before they acted. We are TOLD it was all for religion which helped make it an even more fearful climate and would be a good base to use mlitary force in an extended REGION identified with the religion.

The emphasis made on religion in the corporate media by officials and opinion setters, whether exaggerated or minimized, should always be scrutinized.

[onpatrol98]

98. Yada Yada Yada

The terrorists considered themselves to be staunch Islamists. I doubt seriously American Muslims would view them in this light. My friends view them, as I viewed the guy that shot up the church...as absolutely nuts.

I mean...really, does any sane person go to school to learn to fly airplanes, but not land them. Not to mention, fly themselves into buildings condemning thousands and themselves to death. Their behavior simply was not rational.

"The emphasis made on religion in the corporate media by officials and opinion setters, whether exaggerated or minimized, should always be scrutinized."

If by this you mean the media, the MIC, and the government...I actually agree. I don't think it will be nearly as easy to drag the American people into another war on the basis of anything.

[blm]

101. Almost exactly what I was saying, but you disparaged it. Religion gets twisted by unstable minds

and don't think that those who benefit aren't keenly aware of that fact - factions within the CIA have devoted their careers to using religion to achieve their agendas.

McVeigh and the 9-11 'terrorists' were the results of what accumulated in their heads. The fundamentalism of their initial exposure to their religion being just a start down that path.

[onpatrol98]

102. Perhaps you're right

Perhaps you're right...I get tired of the knee jerk reactions on DU concerning religion of all forms. I didn't mean to disparage your comments, but clearly that's the impression. And, for that I apologize. I guess for me, I tend to place the emphasis on the unstable mind. But, some others see religion as the focus. To me, belief systems in general are powerful. And, they don't have to bad. But, you are right. Now, that I consider it. Although, there are some true and sincere angst about the Islamic center from people who have lost loved ones, and some first responders...though not all. The issue itself was used as a wedge by politicians, who recognized a sore spot, and saw no problem aggravating it.

[LostinVA]

58. The terrorists were NOT devout Muslims

Far from it.

And, McVeigh asked for last nights, and lots of Agnostics also consider themselves Catholics, and Fundie Catholics are as scary as Fundie Protestants, or Fundie Muslims, or Fundy Jews.

[onpatrol98]

59. Okay...McVeigh wasn't a DEVOUT Christian

LOL

This is ridiculous. I know that that the terrorists would not be considered mainstream Muslims by the majority of American Muslims.

I just didn't understand the "need" to tie McVeigh to Christianity and to make his act and 911 equivalent to the terrorists and Islam.

This is just plain silly. Nuts come in every flavor and claim every religious background. Some are just plain flavored nuts with no religious background.

You don't have to believe in God to be nutty. So, it's not surprising to me to find people who do believe in God, but also happen to be nutty.

[Bluebear]

85. 'I just didn't understand the "need" to tie McVeigh to Christianity'

Sorry, it "is" what is "is".

[blm]

66. EXACTLY!!!

.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. Oh Harry, Harry, Harry . . . . .

What to do about you

[steve2470]

6. I lost my respect for Harry nt

[frylock]

7. strong leadership there..

why is this of any concern to ol' tomato can anyway? are they building a mosque near the site of the new york, new york casino? :eyes:

[S_E_Fudd]

8. These spineless turds are making it very difficult

To want to remain a Democrat...

What is the point...they ALWAYS cave...

[madfloridian]

9. Dem gov candidate Alex Sink came out against it as well.

Guess she figures it would make the right wing happier.

[Bluebear]

10. Profiles in Democratic Courage. nt

[Raineyb]

11. Gee Reid has all the spine of a wet noodle.

Why am I not surprised he'd say something so stupid. How about this Mr. Reid, why don't you stay the fuck out of my city's affairs.

[malaise]

13. He has no say

The Constitution trumps his wimpy ass.

[Ramulux]

14. Does he not want to win re-election?

Hes been coming out pretty strong on certain issues recently and I thought he might have learned something. I guess not.

[DevonRex]

21. You hit the nail on the head there. Had he come out strong on this

he would have gained lots of respect with western voters. They're different from other voters. They actually listen and want to learn. They're a lot like Iowans in that respect. They respect strength and knowledge.

If he had framed it in just the right way, they would have understood and been impressed. This way, he looks like a "me too" sort of wimp. They won't respect that at all.

[Ramulux]

31. He is also

playing into Angles gambit, which will make him seem like a complete puss considering the fact he has been labelling her as an insane extremist. He will now look like he is buckling under pressure from a psychopath. Great job, Harry.

[DevonRex]

36. Right. She's a nut but I do what she says.

Yep. Great job. :eyes:

[jaysunb]

15. Diversion Alert !

Stop playing their GAME, Democrats ! :evilfrown:

[vi5]

16. Pathetic spineless POS....

...and him serving as the leader of the Democratic party in the Senate is actually quite fitting since about 95% of them are similarly spineless wimps who allow themselves to be led around on leashes by the GOP.

[DevonRex]

17. Harry could have educated his constituency and come out on top.

Western voters are very willing to learn as long as the issues are framed correctly. He lost an opportunity there and went for the quick and easy points. But that won't gain him any real traction.

[LittleBlue]

19. Harry joins Tea Party and dimwit Sarah Palin

Long overdue that he relinquishes leader mantle.

My urge to mark my ballot Democrat is waning to near nonexistence. And it's sad because I've got a mail in.

[wtmusic]

20. I didn't realize Harry was representing the State of New York now. nt

[spanone]

22. fuck you harry. take the low road.

[zorahopkins]

24. Why Is He Still The Leader in the Senate?

Why, oh why, is Harry Reid still the Democratic Leader in the US Senate?

He seems to do his best to undermine the Democratic Party.

[Supersedeas]

42. Say question....after many issues and months leading to years of

cowardish. The man is an embarrassment to the party.

[Individualist]

49. because DLC wants a milquetoast in the "leadership" position

DLC's goal IS to undermine the Democratic Party, and they've succeeded.

[Hippo_Tron]

82. Because Senators vote for their leadership

Harry Reid is incredibly popular among Democratic Senators because he's done multiple favors for just about all of them. Being leader usually has very little to do with charisma or leadership ability but more with scratching enough peoples backs so that they will scratch yours.

[gratuitous]

25. This could explain why the race is "tight"

Okay, it isn't really. Reid will win come November, because Angle is just plain nuts. But caving in like this, you have to wonder for what? You can bet this stupid "issue" won't even be on the media radar screen come Labor Day, but a lot of Democrats are going to remember the craven retreat Reid made here. If he can't even stand up for the First Amendment, what makes anyone think Harry Reid will stand up for them?

[RFKHumphreyObama]

26. Way to let your opponent set the agenda Harry

And why is it any of your business anyway? What right do you have to dictate to the people of New York?

[annabanana]

27. Jeezus Fuck, Harry. . What the hell's in the DC water?

The media has pushed the "Allus Stupid" button hard. .

[RelativelyJones]

28. I don't doubt the guy is tough, but he never misses an opportunity

to display poor judgement. No nose whatsoever.

[SoCalDem]

29. two words..

term limits

If pols no longer had to run for re election after re election, they would not have to pander to their LOWEST common denominator to keep their jobs.

and we would have a constantly changing dynamic in congress. Progress doe not occur when you keep the same stale people for decades

[BlueMTexpat]

30. Unsurprising, but truly sad.

And so Harry would overrule what New Yorkers themselves have decided to approve?

When did Harry begin representing NYC?

[NC_Nurse]

32. He's been taking lessons from McCain obviously. How to sell out completely

For a few more votes...

[onpatrol98]

35. hmm...Reid's not courting Republicans

The more I think about it. Reid's not trying to court Republicans. I mean, really. As much as we talk about Republicans on DU, do we know any that considering voting for Harry Reid?

I think Reid is worried about losing some democrats. I don't see how this wins many or creates any enthusiasm for turnout. But, there are democrats that believe the Mosque shouldn't be built in that location.

I personally don't see it as being all that close to ground zero. But, I'm not familiar with the area, either. I do know democrats who don't like the idea of a mega mosque in that location.

I'm not sure why he felt the need to go after Sharron Angle's bait. Is the race that close?

[disillusioned73]

39. Sigh.... boy, what a suprize... i'm shocked, shoked I tell ya...

:eyes:

This is the best "leadership" that this party can find - pathetic!!

[Canuckistanian]

43. When the going gets tough, the tough get going

Leaving Harry Reid to whimper in a corner somewhere.

[Xenotime]

45. What a complete idiot.

[Douglas Carpenter]

47. shameful and sad, very sad for America

[MerryBlooms]

48. Fuck you, Harry

If you can't or won't stand up for the Constitution of these United States - get the hell out of public office.

[Blue Owl]

52. A bowl of shit looking at itself in the mirror

n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

54. I LUV the way leading Democrats stand up

for Constitutional principles. :sarcasm:

[RagAss]

55. Hey Loser....Go run for the Senate, elsewhere !

[Orsino]

56. A timid, quivering imitation of his opponent.

And a betrayal of the Constitution. I hope taking orders from Angle works out well for him.

[Kltpzyxm]

64. what a timid turd

show some spine and stand up for the fucking Constitution.

[musette_sf]

67. I'm now waiting for Harry to speak out against religion-based hiring discrimination

practiced by the LDS Stake just 3-1/2 miles from Ground Zero.

https://secure.lds.org/units/stake/1,9780,606-1-5-501174,00.html

HIRE A SAINT (hireasaint.org)
If you're going to hire someone to do something anyway, how about hiring a Latter-day Saint from the New York New York Stake? hireasaint.org connects New York New York Stake members who offer services with other stake members who hire them for their services.
www.hireasaint.org

Come on Harry, we're waiting. Because a group of LDSers, with their stake located just a scant 3-1/2 miles from Ground Zero, discriminating against non-Mormons seeking a job in the area, is just, you know, REALLY INSENSITIVE.

[mmonk]

68. Shaking and crouched in a corner as usual, eh Harry?

[amborin]

75. caving and catering to the GOP, like some other pols i know......

[Rosa Luxemburg]

78. Jesus Christ!

[Hippo_Tron]

80. Harry Reid has been in politics this long and he doesn't know how to dodge a fucking question?

He should have simply said "It's a local zoning issue that ought to be left up to the people of New York". If they follow up with "But what if you were a New Yorker"? you respond with "I'm concerned about representing the people of Nevada and not with ridiculous hypotheticals".

[steve2470]

81. amen nt

[robertpaulsen]

104. So has Gibbs weighed in about the "professional corporatists" undermining Obama & the Democrats?

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