If True, I have lost All respect For Sen. Reid

[kpete]

Spineless Harry Reid says Cordoba 'should build somewhere...

From chickens for checkups to just plain chicken
Reid is a goddamn spineless chickenshit pandering politician afraid of his own shadow.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/16/893546/-From-chickens-for-checkups-to-just-plain-chicken
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/reid-forget-ground-zero-the-mosque-should-be-built-some-place-else.php?ref=tn

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Welcome To The Neighborhood? A Look At The Area Around The 'Ground Zero Mosque'
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/gallery/2010/08/welcome-to-the-neighborhood-a-look-at-the-area-around-the-ground-zero-mosque.php?img=1

mho, kp

[walldude]

1. Sad that the guy is so worried about a freak like Sharron Angle

that he has to come out with crap like this. All he managed to do was make the people opposing him think he's patronizing them and make the people supporting him think he is spineless. Nice move Harry.

[Barack2theFuture]

2. he's just running for office,

dontcha know

[sandnsea]

3. A statement was released from his office

I think it's pathetic, but not surprised. I also think the fact that there have been two mosques in the area for years, one since the 70s, is also not on his radar.

But if we aren't framing the discussions in this country, they will. Clearly the mainstream of America didn't care that Gibbs used the phrase "professional left".

[Nite Owl]

4. Why can't the rest of country

stay out of NY's business. It has nothing to do with them and that includes Reid.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Because this is also about the Mosque built here

in temecula, or down in Tennessee. We've been here as a nation before.

[ChiciB1]

5. But, But, But... We People Who Live In Nevada MUST Vote Democratic!!

There is NO OTHER choice!! Soooooooooooo, more of the same! A very easy choice! One SHOULD NOT question Reid!

The problem?? So many "D's" are the same as before and in reality isn't Gibbs really correct? DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE BASE!!

Here in Florida, I'm STUCK with the same problem! Voting for Meek is what one should do because he's a Democrat and Greene is a scum-bag, but I don't see Meek winning the whole enchilada!

And NOW RUBIO is 5 points ahead of Crist!! I could use the F word, I have in the past, but WHY? It's only a word and doesn't change the situation!

So, my analysis is this... Dems will probably vote for Crist because Rubio is so much worse! So what do you get?? Not much in the end! Can Dems vote for Angle? I don't think so, but who knows? I thought things would be different in Arkansas, but we all know who got the nod, BLANCHE LINCOLN! And Obama supported her too! Oh well, HAPPY, HAPPY... JOY, JOY!

Is there anyone from Florida out there who thinks Meek will win if he gets the nomination?? Most Democrats I talk to around here don't think he has a chance! But then I live in a county that really Red, has been since I've known and will probably stay that way!!

So it MUST be Reid, even though I'm pretty sick of him and so many more Democrats in Congress! And I might add, people like Bennett who Obama and most of the candidates he and the WH support WON in the end!

:shrug:

[ChiciB1]

6. I Used "We" In Nevada Simply To Make The Point For Those In Nevada... n/t

[Fla_Democrat]

8. Ain't voting for "Chain-gang Charlie"

I'm just not. :smoke:

[ChiciB1]

9. We Can Only See What Happens In November! Got a Call From

Starr Jones today saying she supports Greene, so what's that all about?? Was it really Jones, I don't know, but I've NEVER had a call like that before!

Starr Jones for Greene! What a CROCK!

[Bluenorthwest]

21. All this crap about predicting the future is just that, crap.

I heard for well over a year from many sources for many reasons that Barack Obama could not take the enchilada you speak of.
And when I hear people attempting to decide what is the right thing based on what they think is the winning thing, I have to ask them how much success in life they have had with predicting the future. Those who can predict outcomes of elections in advance really ought to be wealthy, for predicting the future makes earning easy! One has to assume that this is not the only race you think you can call in advance.
To me, the Florida voters are just wanting to vote for Crist, and whining about their prognostication skills to rationalize that right wing vote for a man who was a Republican and who is not, even today, a Democrat.
I vote for Democrats, my State is filled with elected Democrats, because people vote for them, not for the Republican 'cause they 'predict' he will win, and they like to be winners. No, we like to be Democrats. Florida likes to be a public spectacle, from what I see.
Is it true that Crist's middle name is Chad?

[Raineyb]

7. I didn't have any for him to begin with because I think he's feckless and spineless.

You'd think he'd make it harder for people who think like I do to be proven correct.

[AnArmyVeteran]

11. Is Reid even mentally competent?

That's a serious question. When I listen to him and watch him there's something missing. It doesn't seem like he's even aware of his surroundings any more. I believe he has a serious medical condition. And maybe he can't make it public for some unknown political reasons. But if the democrats in the Senate could pick a different leader within the next couple of weeks their morale would pick up and I believe do better in the mid-terms. Face it, if the democrats don't have 60 senators next session what does it matter if Reid wins or loses?

I believe a Sharron Angle would be perfect in the Senate because she would be the person who beat Harry Reid and the entire nation would become aware of how crazy she is, and how crazy the right wing is. It might turn out to be the best thing to increase democratic majorities in both the House and Senate in 2012 if they lose Reid this year. Maybe even get a filibuster proof Senate. And if Rand Paul won in Kentucky it would turn the Senate into a real freak show. Maybe democratic leadership has already conceded the November elections to set the stage for 2012...

Just random thoughts. Take em or leave em...

[laughingliberal]

16. Are you seriously advocating for Sharon Angle to win a Senate seat in my state. FFS, we're all but

dead here, now.

It's only amusing to those who don't live here.

[AnArmyVeteran]

19. No, I'm not advocating that at all.

I just meant if Reid somehow lost to that idiot Angle would be in the senate and show the entire US how insane the right is. If that happened it could help the democrats in 2012. Since you're in Arizona, how did Reid ever win any elections? He seems to have zero leadership abilities. I can't believe he used to be a fighter because everytime he's 'in the ring' with republicans he goes running to a corner to cower and sob. There has to be better candidates in Arizona! Or is it like almost everywhere else in this country where generally the person with the most money (prostitutes) wins elections?

Are you seeing any Reid ads attacking Angle's idiotic statements?

[laughingliberal]

22. Reid is the Senator from Nevada which is where I live.

Reid has done a lot for our state over the years. And, as much as I disagree with him on this and other issues, he is much better on progressive issues than the Blue Dog coalition. Reid is a centrist but on many issues he is a left leaning centrist. I know he fought like hell to get a public option in the health care reform bill and still believes we need one. He was ready to go to the mat on against Lieberman when he pulled his stunt opposing the Medicare buy in and Rahm showed up at his office and ordered him to give Lieberman anything he wanted. Reid is probably still not happy about that but it really was futile with the White House opposing it. Hell, look what the White House did with the reimportation bill. Reid had the votes and was ready to bring it to the floor. The White House asked to delay it so they could study it more. They worked behind the scenes calling Senators to change their votes and then got that BS statement from the FDA about 'safety concerns.' Unlike many here who see the problem with getting progressive legislation as the Senate, I see the White House as obstructing when the Senate is ready to do the right thing. Reid fought for the PO in HCR even though there was a rabid right campaign against it in this state.

Yeah, I hate the spineless Dems in the Senate but Reid is far from the worst of them. He is not a rabid deficit hawk like Conrad and he has been willing to take some progressive stands even when it hurt him here.

Reid has also been stellar at championing help for veterans and we have a lot of them here who struggle.

His 20 year fight against the 'screw Nevada' bill, that would have sent all the country's nuclear waste to Yucca Mountain, less than 90 miles from our most populous city with studies showing the casks breaking down within 3 months of being placed in the ground, is almost single handedly responsible for finally defeating that boondoggle and even people who don't like him are grateful and have had to acknowledge the role he played in that. Angle, of course, is all for the Yucca Mountain project.

Reid is wall to wall with television ads attacking Angle on everything. He's got ads with her calling SS 'welfare.' He's got ads with audio of her saying it's not her job as a Senator to create jobs. He's got ads showing her calling the unemployed 'spoiled' (in a state with 14% unemployment, FFS). Angle has, apparently, had a recent infusion of cash and her ads are now saturation level, too, mostly bashing on our foreclosure rate and unemployment and trying to tie Reid to it. But he has had the jump on her and went on the attack early over SS, UI, and her belief that she should not be involved in job creation.

My suggestion if you want a poster child in the Senate so people can see how crazy the right is, would be to recruit and elect one to represent your state. I don't appreciate people here who think that would be a great way to expose the right volunteering my state for the honor and you are not the first I've seen doing that, here. There is no silver lining in sending Sharon Angle to the Senate.

[oasis]

24. Thanks for your most informative post. A "Must Read" for all DUers.

:yourock:

[AlinPA]

27. Good post. As an observer of Reid, he comes across as a weakling and folds easily when republicans

push. But, I don't live in NV and don't know the whole story on him. Also Angle is crazy and the thought of her in the Senate is frightening.

[laughingliberal]

29. Several situations where Reid was vilified for not fighting back

were not just Reid being 'spineless.'Several times when Reid was blasted for not fighting back more against the Republicans, the WH was also behind the scenes lobbying against the bill (or amendment). The public option is one example. Another example was the reimportation amendment. Reid got that to the floor for a vote and the WH had already sabotaged it beforehand, leaving Reid embarrassed over losing that vote.

Perhaps he could fight harder but it is not always just the Republicans he up against when trying to get progressive legislation to the floor.

[AlinPA]

30. That's for sure; "colleagues" like Nelson (NE), Lincoln don't help. He just doesn't come across as

a fighter (although he was once a boxer!). He seems to act like a pushover, but that might be his style (wimpy compared with other senators).

[laughingliberal]

32. I'd like to see a little more fire, too. Some of what you see harkens back to the days of civil

debate in the Senate and some of it is the hidden forces I spoke of in my post.

And some of it is he's more conservative than many of us. But more liberal than the odious Blue Dogs.

[kiva]

31. Thanks, laughingliberal.

I someone wants to move here and vote against Harry, so be it, but until then it is the business of Nevada voters.

The real problem isn't Reid, it's the fact that the Senate lacks the chops to elect a more aggressive leader, and they can do that even when Harry is re-elected.

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[Bluebear]

13. "white trash"?? Who in the fuck says that?

[leftstreet]

15. Oh my

:popcorn:

[asdjrocky]

14. The Senate has been at it's saddest state with Reid at the helm.

It's obvious he is ineffective. If he wins, replace him as Senate President.

[lonestarnot]

18. No shit on all counts! K & R for this post alone!

[laughingliberal]

23. I'm good with the Senate electing a new majority leader. (VP is the President of the Senate).

But I'm damned if I want Sharon Angle for my Senator. Reid is far to the right of where I would prefer but his is several degrees to the left of where the Blue Dog coalition is. We have a lot more we need to rid ourselves of before we target Reid.

[asdjrocky]

26. Doh!

Thanks for that. It's funny, as I was typing it I knew something was wrong.

[AlinPA]

28. Very true.

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[RainDog]

20. Don't pander to fascists

That should be a mantra for all Democrats - and should have been back when Reid refused to go after the Bush administration for their impeachable offenses.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. The only thing that federal elected officials gain by jabbering about the issue is votes.

Reid needed to do this after Obama gave his speech. Agreeing with Obama would have lost him votes. That is the bottom line for politicians.

I really wish Obama hadn't waded in where he had no role. It should have been left to the city and then to the courts if necessary.