Where we're at (expression of thoughts, not propaganda for or against)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

We are going to get crushed in the November elections.

The argument for this is "everything."

The argument against this is that the American people are so wonderful that they will not vote for the pugs because the pugs have nothing to offer and promise to destroy the country. Since this would constitute a 180 turn from what the American people actually do all the time there's no reason to credit it.

Bear in mind, Barack Obama was running against a man who promised to put the world into a depression.

Barack Obama did not get 100% of the vote.

Barack Obama got 53% of the vote. Running against a pathetic, senile man promising to destroy the US economy and some crazy lady he found somewhere.

53% of the vote.

I have been watching this election year shape up and looking for loopholes. Maybe it will be different this time...

But it keeps getting worse than I expected. (And I am hardly Little Mary Sunshine.)

For the second time in two years the American people have a ballot choice as to whether or not to deep six the American economy... just roll it off a cliff into a tar pit, never to be seen again.

Last time they took they opted for reason over gibberish by 52.9% to 45.7%. This time they will take the other side of the proposition.

Why?

Because last time Obama was an unknown quantity. This time Obama is that guy who has seriously fucked up handling the economy.

Wouldn't McCain have fucked it up way more? Yes.

But that is an abstraction... a deduction, an extrapolation... some mental process with some objectivity and rigor to it.

To say the pugs will destroy the economy requires that one have a *theory* of cause and effect in the economy. Very few voters do.

What voters know is that a Republican was President and the economy fell apart, so they voted for the other guy.

Now that guy has been President for a while and the economy is, for the average person, not much better and with no sense of hope on the horizon.

So they will vote for the other side.

How could this have been prevented? By not hopelessly fucking up handling of the economy. Spilt milk, etc..

And to those who make respond with "Barack Obama isn't on the ballot"... well, if it helps you make it through the night.

Barack Obama is most assuredly on the Ballot.

To say otherwise suggests that George W. Bush was not on the ballot in 2006 and that election was about America's love affair with Nancy Pelosi.

The President is always on the ballot.

Do posts like this "help"?

Well... it kind of depends. Propaganda and delusion have their place in a war but, as the Bush presidency or reading 1984 or something should have shown everyone, the war cannot be endless.

To constantly deny what it plain is destructive to people and society.

To always say what you wish some gullible person would believe so that he will then act as you wish... geez, is that really the right way for a free citizen of Democracy to see the act of saying something about politics?

To everyone reading this: Go out and vote. Work for candidates. Do all that stuff.

That stuff is even more important when we are going to lose than when we are going to win.

Every seat won or lost makes a difference in what Congress does. All the local races make a difference. (Two words: Ken Cucinelli.)

It always matters, but that does not mean we always win.

[damntexdem]

1. The reality is: we dunno.

We could get crushed -- I remember 1994.

But the American people disparage the GOP even more than they do the Dems.

We'll see in November.

[BootinUp]

4. The republicans had a much better type of BS in 94

meaning they had ideas, they were bad ones yes, but they had something that was not easily dismisssed in the pre W. era.

Over the next couple months I think the Dems will make progress with their "Don't turn back to the same policies as W. approach".

The economy is critical still though, as the OP does make a valid point.

We will do better than average for mid term elections imho.

[steve2470]

2. k and r

Obama needs to make the point over and over again that he is doing EVERYTHING within reason to promote employment. Yes, he cannot force companies to hire. Yes, there is opposition to a WPA/expensive jobs bill. Yes, if the economy does not improve, it is not his fault.

Rightly or wrongly, he and the Dems will get blamed for unemployment. People historically vote for their wallet, among other reasons. As things stand now, unless there is a miraculous reduction in the jobless rate by November, we are going to get massacred at the polls.

[RandomThoughts]

3. I said President Obama was not on the ballot.

Or more specifically he is not up for election in 2010. And the election is not even 2 months away yet.

Although does not make sense how someone could comment about people saying the President is not on the ballot, and at the same time saying peoples opinions don't matter. Which is it?

[pscot]

5. The questionis not how wonderful the voters may be

The question is whether the average independent has forgotten the Bush years and is ready to swallow the Republican scam one more time. I'm hoping most people are too smart to be taken in again, but I wouldn't want to bet on it.

[hfojvt]

6. it's not just about independents

it is about how many left leaning and Democrats get off their duffs and go out to vote for the Democratic candidate and about how many right leaning and Republicans get off their duffs and go out to vote for the Republican candidates and both of those are partially a function of campaign spending, campaign messaging, campaign donations and volunteer work.

[lunatica]

7. Are you really that hopeless?

I've decided to give this next election the last chance before I give up. Not on the country, but on Americans. If 75% of the people get beaten by a handful of teabaggers this country really is hopeless.