Rocker Ted Nugent pleads no contest to deer baiting

[Poiuyt]

MARYSVILLE, Calif. (AP) — Rocker and celebrity hunter Ted Nugent will have to pay a $1,750 fine after pleading no contest in California to baiting a deer and not having a properly signed hunting tag.

California Department of Fish and Game spokesman Patrick Foy says game wardens saw Nugent kill an immature buck on a February episode of his Outdoor Channel TV show Spirit of the Wild.

Investigators found that the deer had been eating bait called C'mere Deer. Baiting wildlife is illegal in California.

Nugent originally faced 11 charges, including killing a deer too young to be hunted. In a deal with Yuba County prosecutors, Nugent's attorney on Friday entered no contest pleas to the two misdemeanors.

http://content.usatoday.net/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=postcrescent&sParam=39747256.story

[The Midway Rebel]

1. Wang-dang...

fucking idiot

[one_voice]

2. I really, really...

despise this man. :grr:

[spanone]

3. he has the gun and still has to cheat to kill bambi...what an asshole

he gives hunting a bad name

[Bold Lib]

19. Didn't see in the article if he was using a firearm or a bow.

As far as baiting goes. That is a very common practice in Texas. It is possible he was unaware of the Calif law. Of course ignorance is no excuse and he SHOULD have known.

[Name removed]

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[Bold Lib]

61. No, baiting is a way of taking game, or fish, or varmints.

You may not like it but it is legal in many states.

[glitch]

66. Is "very common practice in Texas" some kind of excuse?

:thumbsdown:

[rufus dog]

67. screwing sheep is common it TX

Doesn't make it right though.

[xchrom]

4. Doesn't that just suit his profile. Nt

[Rage for Order]

Can someone explain the difference...

Between illegally baiting a deer versus planting a patch of feed for the deer to eat a few months down the road, and then setting up your deer stand a couple hundred feet away, waiting for a deer to graze on said patch, and then shooting it? For the record, I don't have an issue with hunters who eat what they kill, but I don't consider sitting in a deer stand waiting for something to walk by to be "hunting". If you want to call it hunting I think you should have to track the animal down on foot before killing it. Call me old fashioned.

:shrug:

[depakid]

15. What easterners and southerners call hunting- westerners call poaching

that's the difference in a nutshell.

[Bold Lib]

21. I have no problem at all with baiting for deer.

I bait a hook for fish and I put out corn for deer. I use most any leftovers for hogs and vermin. It is legal in Texas so I really don't see the issue.

[depakid]

70. The issue is that it's cowardly, lazy and considered (rightly IMO) a poaching in the West

My jaw nearly dropped to the floor when I saw "wildlife" corn on a trip back to NC.

Had to confirm what it was and how it was used.

I said to guy at the store: "Damn, so you mean poaching is legal here? Not very sportsmanlike. No self respecting hunter in Oregon would even consider such a thing."

[happyslug]

30. Depends on the state law as to "baiting"

In Pennsylvania if you plant something for deer to eat AND the required number of days (I believe it is 30 days since the bait was "planted") has NOT expired, that is baiting.

In most cases it is NOT a problem, Regular Deer Season in Pennsylvania starts the Monday after Thanksgiving. By then you can have snow on the ground. Crops are all in, most harvested is in September (Some in October and August).

Baiting is defined in Pennsylvania do to the fact Antlers-less deer season ends about the middle of January (Depending on location, varies) and many people put feed out for deer during the winter months (i.e. Months when you can NOT Legally hunt). The purpose of the law is so no one can put out "bait" for deer, and shot the deer when it comes for the "bait". It is illegal to put feed out for "Elk and Bears", but no other regulation exist UNLESS the feed is put out as BAIT.

Over the last three years baiting was permitted in Philadelphia and four other South Eastern Counties, but was found to be "Ineffective":
http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2010/07/05/news/doc4c31c92ebede9869656115.txt

[Twillig]

5. What a dirtbag.

They should have taken all the money he got paid for that TV show episode, 'cause that's profiting from a criminal act.

Or smashed his fucking guitars.

[Tutankhamun]

72. If they smashed his guitars nobody would notice anyway.

That's why he's become such a hunter/gun proponent -- nobody pays any attention to his music anymore so he's found a new gig.

Really though. Let's not smash his guitars. They're valuable antiques!

:rofl:

[paulk]

6. mighty hunter!

what a POS

[City Lights]

7. What a tough guy!

:mad: :grr:

Frickin' loser douchebag.

[NYC_SKP]

8. C'mere Ted...

[flvegan]

9. Who gave Shitpants his own tv show to begin with?

*shakes head*

I just don't get it. Glad he got caught.

[slampoet]

10. As a person REALLY born in Detroit and not suburban chicago like the Nuge,

may i say......


....screw you and your can't-hit-shit-with-an-arrow-poser-ass.



I could hit a target at 30 yards anytime against this asshole sober or not.


I could beat him especially not sober.

[Urban Prairie]

36. +1

The chickenhawk Great White Hunter Nugent never hunted, what could hunt him as well and shoot back.

[HEyHEY]

11. Still a class act, I see

[digitaln3rd]

12. Re: Rocker Ted Nugent pleads no contest to deer baiting

He should also plead guilty for being a first-class douchebag, too.

[Skip Intro]

13. I still appreciate his old music, but I almost can't help hoping some hunting accident finsihes him.

Bad to say, I know. He's a human being. All life has value, even his. That belief is what leads me to despise him so much. So I shouldn't wish harm on him. And I don't. But it would be hard not to see some justice in such an event.

[divideandconquer]

14. Ted's just representing the NRA board of directors

Nuts Ruining America

[rug]

16. It's not the first time.

"-The Nuge’s one admitted vice is women. When he’s not threatening to assassinate them, he’s fucking them. He likes a lot of them, and he likes them young. In fact, in order to once avoid likely statutory rape charges in 1978, he bought off the parents of his 17-year-old girlfriend, so that they would sign over the rights of legal guardianship to him, and he could continue to sleep with her without consequences."

http://popdose.com/when-good-albums-happen-to-bad-people-ted-nugent-cat-scratch-fever/

[stanwyck]

17. Time for Ted to go hunting with Cheney

Both of these guys desperately want the tough guy image. They both dodged the draft. Fine. I can't blame them for that. It's the hypocrisy of being such chickenhawks. They love guns. They love war. They love hunting. Only they didn't serve their country as soldiers - they just want other people to go to war. They love guns but don't know how to use them. And they love hunting but have to have a fixed fight with caged birds or baited deer.
Sad, little boys.

[Blue Owl]

44. Canned-hunt sport-killing douchebags

The pointless bloodlust is extremely disturbing -- it's inhumane and dissonant with the nature's laws.

[applegrove]

18. What a p***y!

[DirkGently]

20. King of the canned hunt.

[Bold Lib]

22. I don't believe this was a "canned hunt". It appears that he

simply baited for deer in a state that does not allow it.

[DirkGently]

26. He apparently does both. An al- faux male thing, I guess.

[Bold Lib]

27. Don't know if he's done any "canned hunts" or not.

I don't really keep up with him that much. I do have some of his older music that I bought many years ago.

[DirkGently]

33. His business is running a canned hunting ranch, when he's not

threatening activists with murder, that is. And Cat Scratch Fever pretty much sucked, you'd have to admit. :)

Nugent referred to Heidi Prescott of the Fund for Animals as a "worthless whore" and a "shallow slut," asking "who needs to club a seal, when you can club Heidi?" He was ordered by a court to pay Prescott $75,000.<35>

Nugent owns a hunting ranch near Jackson, Michigan, called Sunrize Acres. Anti-hunters claim this fenced facility offers "canned" hunts. Nugent has said, "I understand the criticism from those who say canned hunting violates the ethic of fair chase," though he still operates the facility, and refers to it as "high fence hunting". Nugent was recently interviewed by Field & Stream magazine regarding "canned" hunts.<36> At Sunrize Acres he personally guides customers on a hunt for trophy bull bison ($5,000), Russian boar, or white-tailed deer ($1,000 each).<37>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent

[Bold Lib]

38. Hunting on property with a "high fence" does not qualify

as a "canned hunt". Some people want to change the definition of "canned hunt" to include such but it does not.

[DirkGently]

41. He seems to acknowledge his hunts are canned in the Wiki

quote.

[Bold Lib]

49. Odd, I see that quote as denying that hunting on his fenced property is not a canned hunt.

[DirkGently]

56. An odd interpretation

He said, "I understand the criticism from those who say canned hunting violates the ethic of fair chase." Not "What I do is not canned hunting." Not, "I don't do canned hunting." Just, "I understand why people don't like it."

It's more of an admission, if you really want to pick it apart and argue about it.

Moreover, your nitpicking here is a bit tiring and pointless. Mr. Nugent is a war hawk who dodged the Vietnam Draft. He is a guitar player who claims to have invented the use of feedback when he did not. He is a "hunter" who shoots illegal spike bucks using illegal bait. He a vicious and dishonest purveyor of any number of hateful and false rightwing fallacies, and delights in calling women whores and suggesting animal activists be beaten with clubs.

In short, he's kind of a d*ck.

If you like him, that's okay, but we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

[Bold Lib]

59. You missed this part of the quote:

and refers to it as "high fence hunting". He does not consider it "canned" and it does not meet the definition of a "canned" hunt.

It is more of a denial, if you really want to pick it apart.

It is not nitpicking as there are specific definitions of what a "canned" hunt is. It is not simply hunting on land with a high fence as is being discussed in the quoted texts. Ted Nugents' war stance and draft dodging is not at issue here so I don't see why you are bring it up. Again, what does his guitar playing have to do with this? Nothing. I don't recall seeing anything about illegal spike bucks but he did plea guilty to illegally baiting. Again what does his politics have to do with this discussion? Nothing.

He may very will be kind of a d*ck, but I was not discussing that in regard to the O.P.

Why would you question if I like him? It is in no way relevant to this issue.

I'm not sure why you were throwing in all those irrelevant issues that have NOTHING to do with this topic but yes, we disagree. He illegally baited for the deer and has confessed to it. Like I've said in another post. I personally have no problem with baiting for deer, fish, hogs, or most any other animal I'm hunting, it's perfectly legal in Texas. I'm also certain that what Ted Nugent was doing on his land in regard to hunting animals does not meet the definition of a "canned" hunt.

Have a nice day.:hi:

[DirkGently]

62. That's your "quote," not his. Nugent's hunts are canned

and he admitted it. The things you put in quotes were not even his words, for Pete's sake. He doesn't even claim that "high fence hunting" isn't the same as "canned" hunting in the Wiki quote. He just uses another term, implying it's different somehow without saying why.

Are you quibbling over the SIZE of the enclosure from which the "hunted" animals cannot escape? Like that's an important, recognized difference, somehow?

And yes, since you ask, the spike buck was illegal in itself. If you "didn't see it," perhaps you should read the article again. So, what he did was illegally bait an illegally young deer, because he's neither a good hunter, nor an ethical one. He gives his own cause a bad name.

You have a lovely day yourself contemplating Ted Nugent, the incompetent, law breaking, unethical canned hunter.

:headbang:

[LWolf]

43. Semantics. nt

[Bold Lib]

48. No, definitions.

[LWolf]

52. No. Semantics.

Shooting animals that are contained by a fence is not "hunting" whether those animals were farmed or captured, and whether the enclosure is small or large. That's "canned."

"Hunting" infers that you go out and find game, not go to where the game has been fenced in for you. "Sport" infers something "sporting" about the process.

[Bold Lib]

58. Sorry but "canned hunt" has a specific definition. What was

going on on your link does not meet that definition. Have a nice day.:hi:

[DirkGently]

63. ... and you're inventing that definition

At his "Sunrize Ranch," Nugent takes paying guests on guided "tours" to kill specific animals for a specific fee. The animals are imported and cannot escape from the enclosed area. What exactly is NOT "canned" about that? Granted, some canned hunters are even lazier, and have birds literally thrown up in front of their guns. But an enclosure is an enclosure.

[LWolf]

71. The definition of "canned hunt" is farm-raised game hunted on the "farm."

As I said earlier, I think the difference between farm raised and captured game is semantic, when it comes to defining types of hunting. Either way, the game is restricted by fencing.

Either way is not sporting, and is unethical, in my opinion. But then, I think hunting for any purpose other than putting meat on the table is unethical.

FTIW, I live in a region populated by hunters and game. Half of my class is gone for the opening week of deer season every fall. None of my neighbors, colleagues, friends, or students participate in canned hunts of any sort. They simply head to one of the national forests within an hour's drive from town. As a matter of fact, since I live on the edge of blm, I don't ride my horses out during October. While the hunters are careful and I wear orange, there are enough of them, and enough guns going off, to make me nervous. It's a little nerve wracking to hear shots going off on all sides, even when they are a reasonable distance away.

Neither do they "bait" deer or elk. I asked a colleague about that once; he laughed and said, "Oh, it's legal. It just doesn't work. Nobody who expects to come home with a deer tries to bait them."

[DirkGently]

34. Self-delete double post

...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

50. Baiting --

just one step away from canned hunt in my book. Both done by pussies.

[Bold Lib]

60. Your book and the law book differ then. Baiting for deer

in Texas is perfectly legal. It is also legal to put a worm on a hook when you are trying to hook a fish.

[Scout]

65. just because it's legal in Texas doesn't mean you're not a suck-ass piss-poor hunter

if you have to resort to baiting the deer. Which is not at ALL like baiting a fish hook, for fuck's sake. :eyes:

[Gman]

23. This says tons about Nugent's character

that's not hunting. Hunting is an honorable thing. If you're going to take the life of an animal, you take it with honor and you make sure the life you took is not wasted. That's what Nugent did. He wasted an animal's life. Native Americans felt very strongly about this.

[Raschel]

24. Is it really that hard to shoot a deer? I see them all the time when I go on walks.

I don't get it.

[47of74]

28. Here in Iowa...

...our version of bait is a motor vehicle. Drive one here in Iowa and eventually you'll either see and/or smack in to one. Especially if said motor vehicle is new.

[Vinnie From Indy]

25. Who wouldnt like to beat Ted "Shitpants" Nugent with a deer hoof?

Calling Nugent a dickhead is an insult to dickheads the world over.

[47of74]

29. Could C'mere Asshole be used to lure this guy into a prison?

Preferably a super-max.

[sixstrings75]

31. Piece of shit POACHER!. n/t

[derby378]

32. Could the ATF yank Nugent's machine gun license over this?

$1,750 is a pretty hefty fine. I'm assuming that, if nothing else, ATF agents are going to pull Nugent aside for a long talk.

[lukasahero]

35. What a man.

:eyes:

[mod mom]

37. POS!

[bulloney]

39. Can we now call Nugent the master-baiter?

What's the matter Ted? Aren't those 14-year-old girls doing much for you anymore?

I thought Nugent was supposed to be a sportsman's sportsman. Kinda like those conservative family values experts.

[warrior1]

40. I hope he comes back

as a deer.

[hobbit709]

42. That's has-been rocker

Did you ever see the "Tales From The Far Side's Hooves Of Fury"
That would fitting to happen to Nugent.

[era veteran]

46. Chickenhawk punk

pussy

[polly7]

47. I used to drive my Mom crazy with his music, can't stand the man

now. If I'd known how he got out of serving and what a nut-case he is, I wouldn't have spent a dime on him.

[Hawaii Hiker]

51. What the hell is that asshole known for - Seriously

He's known more for his political positions than his music...

He has ZERO musical talent....Lady Gaga, & Miley Cyrus sell out arenas in minutes, Nugent couldn't fill an arena if all the tickets were free...

The guy is a no talent far right hen....

[polly7]

53. You're right. His music sucked, when I think about it now.

Unfortunately, it was what us little girls thought was cool at the time, the louder the better. D'OH. Live and learn.

[KurtNYC]

54. He baited it then put it in a stranglehold

[Ilsa]

55. TV show should cancel his ass. Then put him in a field and let his viewers hunt him.

They are probably unemployed, hungry GOPers.

Revoke his hunting license. LAZY GD POS Poaching MF. Put him with "If God didn't intend for us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat" Palin.

Edited for content.

[Liberal_in_LA]

57. what next? Puttint out 'fancy feast' and shooting kitties?

[Old Troop]

64. I can't resist. Deer baiting - "Hey Bambi, where's your mother"?

[MrScorpio]

68. Thank God that he left Michigan nt

[MrScorpio]

69. Thank God that he left Michigan nt