Why is Dean being a wimp?

[Kalyke]

Sorry - this may have been discussed two hours ago, but we're busy with children at 8 p.m. and DVR Keith's show.

But, why does Dean want to capitulate to these right winger idiots? You can't compromise with stupidity. Tell the 9/11 families the truth about the Imam, where the COMMUNITY CENTER is located, etc., and most will be fine. None of this works with the irrational.

If there is already a discussion, please post the link and I'll ask to delete this one.

[mzteris]

1. He was never

what a lot of people tried to make him out to be.

[customerserviceguy]

2. Dr. Dean is trying to make a distinction

between what someone is legally allowed to do, and what someone should do.

[Xipe Totec]

5. A distinction without a difference

is no difference at all.

[customerserviceguy]

6. While you quote platitudes and meaningless generalities

Dr. Dean is trying desperately to save the Democratic Party from the loose lips of the President.

This is going to come back to bite us on the ass, Howard Dean has enough sense to know that. I wish people here acknowledged that.

[Xipe Totec]

9. Yes, why don't we turn into another Republican party

Why have a left wing when you can have two right wings, is that it?

[Arkana]

12. Screw off.

Obama stood up for the Constitution and Dean mealy-mouthed his way out. Nice try.

[JI7]

20. can you imagine DU if it was the other way around

[Arkana]

27. I can--which is why I felt comfortable posting what I did.

If Obama had said what Dean said, I imagine there are some here who would be calling for his impeachment and removal from office.

[customerserviceguy]

29. Dean's smart enough to know that the folks out in the boondocks

have been told by the reich wing for so very long that Christians are persecuted in this country, and many of the mushy middle actually believe that nonsense. Having President Obama stand up for a Muslim cause as the only real religious freedom issue that he's espoused just feeds into the "Obama is a Muslim" lie.

The polls have even reflected that lately, and this pushes them even further in that damaged direction.

[customerserviceguy]

7. Dupe, sorry

[Xipe Totec]

8. Tell you friend, Dr. Dean we don't need this kind of favor

And speaking of platitudes, look in a mirror.

[coti]

10. Yes, we know that, and it's still wrong.

Your "point" has already been responded to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8974027&mesg_id=8974027

[pinboy3niner]

13. That was an EXCELLENT OP, coti

Dean uses the word 'compromise' when what he means is 'capitulation'.

[Suich]

3. Watching rerun now, also.

I'm having a hard time following Dean's logic.

:shrug:

[JBoy]

4. I think he's just misguided on this topic.

There is NO atmosphere for dialogue on this subject right now. The opposition to the "mosque" is the perfect nexus of bigotry, ignorance, and political opportunism. Which of those three schizophrenic elements are you going to talk to?

[TroglodyteScholar]

11. He's NOT being a wimp.

He's being a BIGOT.

[Kalyke]

17. Well, I thought so, too, but he's Dr. Dean, so I didn't think he could be.

BTW, I'm also married to a person of Jewish faith - and he thought Dean was being a bigot.

[TroglodyteScholar]

24. It's surprising and disappointing, isn't it...

I never thought Dr. Dean was quite the messiah that a lot of folks gave him credit for, but I did think he was a politician with a heart who had purer intentions than most. Perhaps that's still the case, but this little insight is a stark reminder that he's not very well equipped to deal with racial and religious matters. Wonder how many issues like this come up in Vermont?

[Demeter]

14. He's Getting Old

I think he's given up on the Democrats, frankly.

[JI7]

15. He isn't, i think he is just expressing his true feelings

[AtomicKitten]

16. I disagree with Dean but he doesn't deserve to be denigrated for his opinion. nt

[Kalyke]

18. OK... why is his opinion wimpy, then?

[JI7]

19. i think referring to it as wimpy is stupid

[Kalyke]

22. I think not getting that Dean is not a god is stupid, too.

He wasn't all that and a bag of chocolate. He wouldn't have won. His following here is still irrational.

Is he smart? Yup.

Is he correct on many issues? Yup.

Would he have ever been president? Nope.

The point is that he's wrong from time to time, too. But, unfortunately, he's wrong less than ObamaRham.

[AtomicKitten]

21. He's not wimpy, he's just wrong IMO. Constitutional rights are not negotiable. nt

[Kalyke]

23. I agree.

But his position was wimpy. Period.

[TheKentuckian]

25. His pre-condition for the center builders is a willingness to move

Nothing for those opposed.

How about these folks at least vocalize their "concerns" at the very least instead of lashing out or saying it doesn't sit well.

Get it out and if there is something that isn't a bigoted emotional reaction then I'm sure an Imam that would represent America for Bush would be happy yo discuss the "concerns".

Dean kept rolling out the tired 70% canard. Well, that many or more opposed interracial marriage, did they have real reasons or was it all a bunch of bullshit and faux hand wringing?

I'm disappointed in the good Doctor because it is like he internalized apparently little of our oppressive history toward minorities in this country and is using a reasonable tone to expect the minority to be open to appeasing an irrational majority.

History tells us that huge portions will support bigoted and racist policies and worldviews and with the stammering anger on this deal, I'm sure the majority is wrong again.

[Stoic]

26. I admire Dean immensely, but every man can make a mistake.

And this was a whopper.

[bvar22]

28. Because,

First and Foremost, Dr Dean is a GOOD Democratic Party soldier.
The Democratic Party Leadership had decided to take a wimpy non-stand on this issue.
Dr Dean has simply saluted, and said "Yes Sir".