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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:18 AM
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how should americans deal with the emerging anti-islam movement on the right?
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 02:26 AM by miscsoc
practically.

the european left have yet to respond coherently and convincingly, the paranoid anti-muslim frame of reference is dominant in the popular psyche. the comparison w/ early 20th c. anti semitism is entirely apt, and frightening.

Like, broad strategy. This stuff looks like it's going to grow, become a major theme in right wing politics. What is the strategy for dealing with it?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:26 AM
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1. "On the right?"
Sorry, it's not something that's exclusive to them. been reading DU recently? Do you think Switzerland going apoplectic over the terrible threat of a minaret is the sole doing of their right? Is France passing laws telling Muslim women (but not non-Muslim women!) that they can't wear cloth over their hair the sole doing of Sarkozy and his buddies?

No. It's an epidemic problem, not an isolated one.
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:28 AM
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2. It's a bit heavier on the right
Edited on Sat Aug-21-10 02:29 AM by miscsoc
And yeah the Swiss and French situations do have a lot to do with right wing politics - not exclusively, but to a large extent
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 05:10 AM
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3. Depends on how you look at things
The left in Europe isn't saying a peep. That's pretty much the same as voicing support for the bigots, in this regard. here in the US, it's not heavier. It's just that they get more media coverage.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:01 AM
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4. I am NOT looking forward to this.
Li'l Gerd will be there on 9/11 with Newt, Bolton und not-so-bright. You know Gerd, the one who was at one time not permitted in GB due to his vitriolic, toxic nonsense. Once HE injects his particularly noxious poison into the American media bloodstream, I fear for all... Maybe he'll bring the ex-Muslim "Islam Sucks" woman with him. She's camera-friendly.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 06:13 AM
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5. The younger a person is the more likely they are to support gay marriage and be comfortable
with a diverse society (Muslims, immigrants, mixed-race relationships/marriages, multiracial schools and work places).

Doesn't mean that all younger people feel this way or that all older folks feel the opposite way, but polls bear it out. I think the left just needs to keep up our support for diversity in society across the board. Time is on our side. Society is becoming more diverse and the younger generations are more tolerant of it than the older (richer, whiter, more powerful) generation is.

We won't "win" anytime soon. The right is not going away. The more we keep the right publicly espousing their "us vs them", fear-based, divide-and-conquer tactics (all they really have is an assortment of wedge issues - Islamophobia, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, etc. - that they use to attempt to hang on to their power and profits) the more the younger generation sees through them.

The right is not going to stop "fanning the flames". Wedge issues are all that they have. We need to use the fact that is all they have to our advantage in the long run. Consistently promote tolerance and equity and let the other sides oppose that and "shoot themselves in the foot".
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:29 AM
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6. The logical conundrum, of course, is that it's not clear one should support...
...in the name of "diversity" a group many of
whose members stand four-square absolutely
opposing the support of *ANY* diversity.*

Tesha


* Do I really need a disclaimer that says "...not
all Muslims, of course, but many Muslims and
many of the most-vocal Muslims..."
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:14 PM
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8. I don't have any particular sympathy for Islam
I oppose anti-Muslim bigotry (vs reasoned criticism) in the name not of diversity but of fair play and basic decency.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 07:31 AM
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7. I think we might need to focus on the left first.
At least clear our side before worrying about the other.
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-10 02:17 PM
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9. can't we do both at the same time?
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