Plume of oil 650ft high found in Gulf waters

[ensho]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/plume-of-oil-650ft-high-found-in-gulf-waters-2057401.html


-snip-

The discovery of a 650ft-high plume of hydrocarbon chemicals some 22 miles long by 1.2 miles wide, and 3,000ft below the surface of the Gulf, helps to answer the question of where the oil from the disaster has gone.

-snip-
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and the whole thing is being added to and is slowly moving

[enough]

1. Someone already unrecced this thread. What could be the reason for that? Less information

is good for us? Or what? Please come out and tell us why you want to bury this OP.

[anarch]

2. I'm hoping it was a thumbs-down on the giant oil plume

But more than likely it was a "stop with your fearmongering and implying that this situation hasn't been resolved...there's an election coming up and all".

[Kurovski]

10. BP is all up in the internets.

[xultar]

13. Seriously? relax it isn't like it isn't going to get out. This is only DU. Why

Get bet out of shape. I don't understand the fixation on unrec.

[enough]

45. I know it's only DU. The reason I call this out when I notice it is so that a thread doesn't die

in the first few minutes. There's a good explanation of this phenomenon here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8995294&mesg_id=8995409

[NBachers]

62. Yeah, what's this big unrec obsession? Does everyone really want to read about unrecs?

Unwreckers are anonymous little gremlins. Don't feed into their need to feel important.

[Poboy]

15. Its campaign season, smiles everyone, smiles!

(Fantasy Island)

[QC]

23. For some reason, a few people here have decided that defending the president

is synonymous with defending BP.

It isn't, of course, but there you have it.

[CoffeeCat]

49. Do you even have to ask????

Oh please. All major corporations dedicate many bodies to posting their lame-ass PR points and messing
with public opinion (unrecs, participating in polls, etc.).

Seriously now. You didn't think corporate America would allow the free, honest exchange of ideas and thoughts
about their evil---to just sit unchecked did you?

:rofl:

[Skittles]

50. they are called "cowards"

[awoke_in_2003]

65. speaking about "enough"...

how about "enough" on the bitching about unrecs. Someone always has to be the first to say "oh, the unreccers are here". When I posted this, this post had over 100 recs. The assholes are quick, but if the story is good it survives.

[stranger81]

70. LBAS

It's the "Leave Britney Alone!" Syndrome at work.

[jaxx]

3. How is it being added to?

Is this the study from June, with pics from June 1st?


ps...I didn't unrec, but I didn't rec it either. Needs more facts.

[ensho]

4. read the link and all your questions will be answered

nt

[jaxx]

5. I read it before I asked.

It states:

However, the latest study by the Woods Hole Institution in Massachusetts found a vast plume of hydrocarbons deep below the sea surface following a detailed survey of the area in June. <

There has been no flow since July 15th. No flow. It seems this is not an accurate account of today.

[kenny blankenship]

6. It's not there. It's gone and exists only in your imagination.

There was never a problem of crude oil floating loose in the Gulf of MexicoBritish Petroleum. If you can't see it, it it's not there and can't hurt you. Like cancer.

[Kurovski]

11. Thank you. I knew I was crazy for thinking otherwise.

I feel much better now. I hope other people don't start getting all nutty about how bad oil is for the ocean. Microbes love it. And the benzene is like a special sauce to them.

All hale BP, the feeder of hungry microbes.

[sendero]

46. And the caviar..

.. like extra-special caviar.

[avogadro]

7. Seems like they could just....

take a few supertankers out to the location of the plume, drop a line down to it, turn on the pumps and just suck it all up.

[silverlib]

8. Well darn, there goes my new plan...

to start disposing of my old oil by just pouring it in the Gulf of Mexico and watch 75% of it "disipate!"

:sarcasm:

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. K&R

Yeah guess that must be the 25% that didn't disappear by whatever means. :silly:

[Kurovski]

12. Welly, welly, welly...

"...it is possible that oil could be transported considerable distances from the well before being degraded," he said."

I hope that crap washes up on the ocean estate of every single motherfarking jag-bag who heads of gaddamed B-fucking-P.

[another saigon]

14. so can it be collected somehow?

Costner's machine? Giant tankers sucking it up? something???

[Aramchek]

16. this report was done at the end of June

the oil has had 2 months to dissipate since then.

The guys who made the report were on CNN, and when questioned, they couldn't say where the plume was or if it still existed as of now.

[flyarm]

27. the report was done and then Peer Reviewed , which took almost 2 months of which NOAA and our govern

did not do with their report..the NOAA and Govermnet report was never peer reviewed ..which is the protocol..for such a report!

In Congressman Markey's hearing on Thursday ..NOAA had to admit their report was never peer reviewed..

of which a certain group on DU have been posting propaganda since the report was realeased on Aug 4th that the government report was peer reviewed..well in fact it was never peer reviewed per protocol for any such report being realeased to the public..another words..it was one giant pile of bullshit!

[Aramchek]

38. the conditions in the report no longer exist. the writers said they don't know where the oil is now.

What good is it to pretend that 2-month old data is current?

[flyarm]

40. see my post #34..not so..scientists from Fla have found some of it!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8994244&mesg_id=8995278


( this story from last week)


Plumes of Gulf oil spreading east on sea floor
Source: CNN

CNN) -- A new report set to be released Tuesday renews concerns about the long-term environmental impact of the Gulf Coast oil disaster, and efforts to permanently plug the ruptured BP oil well have been delayed again.

Researchers at the University of South Florida have concluded that oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill may have settled to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico further east than previously suspected -- and at levels toxic to marine life.

Initial findings from a new survey of the Gulf conclude that dispersants may have sent droplets of crude to the ocean floor, where it has turned up at the bottom of an undersea canyon within 40 miles of the Florida Panhandle. The results are scheduled to be released Tuesday, but CNN obtained a summary of the initial conclusions Monday night.

Plankton and other organisms at the base of the food chain showed a "strong toxic response" to the crude, and the oil could well up onto the continental shelf and resurface later, according to researchers


Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/17/gulf.oil.disaster /...

[SOS]

31. August 19th:

Senior U.S. scientist rescinds previous claim that 3/4 of oil from spill is gone, says most is still there

"A senior U.S. government scientist on Thursday admitted that three-quarters of the oil that was released into the Gulf of Mexico after BP’s Deepwater Horizon spill was still there, contradicting his earlier claim that the worst of the spill had passed, the Guardian reported."

"Bill Lehr, senior scientist at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), presented a radically different picture than the one the White House had presented to the public earlier this month. He contradicted his own reports from two weeks ago that suggested that the majority of the oil had been captured or broken down. “I would say most of that is still in the environment,” Lehr told the House energy and commerce committee."

http://wireupdate.com/wires/8833/senior-u-s-scientist-rescinds-previous-claim-that-34-of-oil-from-spill-is-gone-says-most-is-still-there/

August 19th:

WASHINGTON – A 22-mile-long invisible mist of oil is meandering far below the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, where it will probably loiter for months or more, scientists reported Thursday in the first conclusive evidence of an underwater plume from the BP spill.
The most worrisome part is the slow pace at which the oil is breaking down in the cold, 40-degree water, making it a long-lasting but unseen threat to vulnerable marine life, experts said.
Earlier this month, top federal officials declared the oil in the spill was mostly "gone," and it is gone in the sense you can't see it. But the chemical ingredients of the oil persist more than a half-mile beneath the surface, researchers found.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_sc/us_sci_gulf_oil_spill_plume

[flyarm]

33. yeah and how many people will hear that their report is recinded??see my post 35

Unless they saw Congressman Markey on CNN last Thursday night!

and how likely would this report have been recinded if Cogressman Markey had no pressed to know if the Government report had been peer reviewed?

not likely..

I thank Congressman Markey!! For his truth and honesty among men who don't know wtf that is!

[blindpig]

60. A common tactic, it seems...

manipulating the 'news cycle' as message control.

Mr Orwell would be impressed and appalled.

[Aramchek]

39. both reports are inaccurate as of now. things have changed alot in 2 months.

[flyarm]

41. yes but Fla scientists reported last week , it has moved east!

( this story from last week)


Plumes of Gulf oil spreading east on sea floor
Source: CNN

CNN) -- A new report set to be released Tuesday renews concerns about the long-term environmental impact of the Gulf Coast oil disaster, and efforts to permanently plug the ruptured BP oil well have been delayed again.

Researchers at the University of South Florida have concluded that oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill may have settled to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico further east than previously suspected -- and at levels toxic to marine life.

Initial findings from a new survey of the Gulf conclude that dispersants may have sent droplets of crude to the ocean floor, where it has turned up at the bottom of an undersea canyon within 40 miles of the Florida Panhandle. The results are scheduled to be released Tuesday, but CNN obtained a summary of the initial conclusions Monday night.

Plankton and other organisms at the base of the food chain showed a "strong toxic response" to the crude, and the oil could well up onto the continental shelf and resurface later, according to researchers


Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/17/gulf.oil.disaster /...

[flyarm]

42. and yet the government released a false report , because it was never peer reviewed..

and the government hadn't even begun the peer review as of last Thursday's hearing with Congressman Markey's committee.
The government has not peer reviewed a damn thing!

Which makes their report a pile of bullllll..shit!

[SOS]

44. NOAA scientist Bill Lehr testified on Thursday August 19th.

Testified under oath that the original NOAA report was false.

NOAA’s Bill Lehr says three-quarters of the oil that gushed from the Deepwater Horizon rig is still in the Gulf environment while scientists identify 22-mile plume in ocean depths

BP oil spill: US scientist retracts assurances

http://www.cwwa2009.com/climate-change/noaas-bill-lehr-says-three-quarters-of-the-oil-that-gushed-from-the-deepwater-horizon-rig-is-still-in-the-gulf-environment-while-scientists-identify-22-mile-plume-in-ocean-depths/

[flyarm]

17. what the big boys in DC don't want you to know>>>>>>>>>>>>>

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

.....remember Daschle?? who was one of the leaders of Team Obama during our primaries..and was one of his top advisors...........now we see Dashle was working with BP and Whitman..the lady who lied about the air quality at Ground zero in NY?? Can I tickle your memory..she lied and people died and keep dying!! And that is just one example..so now we know the Lady of Ground Zero's death squad the EPA..has so much in common with Tom Daschle the former Democratic party's senate leader and top advisor to Obama..and the New Head of the CIA under Obama..are in bed together..strange bedfellows... what the hey............

Spill, Baby, Spill
By Michael Isikoff, Ian Yarett and Matthew Philips | NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated May 10, 2010

BP has been trying hard to burnish its public image in recent years after being hit with a pair of environmental disasters, including a fatal refinery explosion in Texas and a pipeline leak in Alaska. One major step was to announce, in 2007, that it had hired a high-powered advisory board that included former EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, former Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, and Leon Panetta, who were each paid $120,000 a year. (Panetta left when he became President Obama's CIA director.) Two years ago the oil giant's chief executive, Robert Malone, flew board members out to the Gulf of Mexico on a helicopter to demonstrate the safeguards surrounding BP's advanced drilling technology. "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK.

Now BP, formerly known as British Petroleum, finds itself blamed for what could prove to be the worst oil spill in U.S. history. And only weeks after Obama announced an ambitious plan to open up more U.S. offshore waters to oil drilling, shunting aside environmental concerns from his own Democratic Party, his administration is facing a comeuppance from hell. "There was a lot of wishful thinking, I guess," says Villy Kourafalou, a scientist at the University of Miami's Rosensteil School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. "The new technologies were said to be so wonderful that we'd never have an oil spill again." Rep. Frank Pallone (D-N.J.), who had sought to block the expanded drilling, says the oil and gas industry was pushing this idea hard. "They said, 'We'll never have a repeat of Santa Barbara,'?" referring to the 1969 rig explosion off the California coast. Both the Bush and Obama administrations "were buying the line that the technology was fine," Pallone adds.

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta. Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

Read the full article at:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/237298

[nashville_brook]

26. there was some amazing investigative journalism at the beginning of the disaster...

this is a really good example of that. just look at these numbers. Whitman was paid $120K a year (for how many years, i wonder) and that's small potatoes to get this kind of power: "We got a sense they were really committed to ensuring they got it right," Whitman told NEWSWEEK. i bet she had a good sense of it -- a $120,000 sense.

[flyarm]

28. Daschle and Panetta got $120,000. from BP as well!

and don't miss this gem..

BP pressed hard to make that point in D.C. Its PR efforts included payments of $16 million last year to a battery of Washington lobbyists, among them the firm of Tony Podesta, the brother of former Obama transition chief John Podesta.

Last fall, after the U.S. Interior Department proposed tighter federal regulation of oil companies' environmental programs, David Rainey, BP's vice president for Gulf of Mexico exploration, told Congress that the proposal was unnecessary. "I think we need to remember," he said, that offshore drilling "has been going on for the last 50 years, and it has been going on in a way that is both safe and protective of the environment."

[blindpig]

61. Always follow the money..

it speaks much louder then words.

[KoKo]

64. +1........Thanks Flyarm. We always need to be reminded of the "connections"

that go on an on. From one Administration to the Next...and the same cabal that is always in charge of everything...both on the Dem and Repug sides. Sometimes there's a "D" in their affiliation..sometimes a "R"...but it's the same damned group.

[flyarm]

18. BP's efforts to "buy up" scientists in Gulf states

BP's efforts to "buy up" scientists in Gulf states
Chris Kromm: Blacklash Grows Against BP Efforts to "Buy Up" Gulf ...Jul 30, 2010 ... BP's efforts to "buy up" scientists in Gulf states was first revealed by ... BP attempted to hire the entire Marine Science Department at the University .... http://just-me-in-t.blogspot.com/2010/07/whats-for-dinn ... ...
www.huffingtonpost.com/.../blacklash-grows-against-b_b_... - Cached

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://coto2.wordpress.com/2010/07/18/bp-and-noaa-buy-s ... /

BP and NOAA buy scientific silence

By Ben Raines
Press-Register

BP has been offering signing bonuses and lucrative pay to prominent scientists from public universities around the Gulf Coast with contracts that ban them from publishing their research. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is offering a similarly restrictive contract according to scientists, refusing to provide the media with a copy of its contract, reports Ben Raines.

For the last few weeks, BP has been offering signing bonuses and lucrative pay to prominent scientists from public universities around the Gulf Coast to aid its defense against spill litigation. BP PLC attempted to hire the entire marine sciences department at one Alabama university, according to scientists involved in discussions with the company’s lawyers. The university declined because of confidentiality restrictions that the company sought on any research.

The Press-Register obtained a copy of a contract offered to scientists by BP. It prohibits the scientists from publishing their research, sharing it with other scientists or speaking about the data that they collect for at least the next three years.


go ahead google it up yourself...I dare you........google this up.......

"BP buys up scientists in the Gulf of Mexico"


...........................................................


Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up | The Seminal

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/48816#

Government to Oil Plume Discovery Team: Shut Up
By: Jim White Tuesday May 18, 2010 6:06 am


The research vessel Pelican. (photo: Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium)

On Saturday, the New York Times brought the world’s attention to the discovery by a team of researchers on the the vessel Pelican that there are large underwater plumes of oil emanating from the Deepwater Horizon spill. Remarkably, the response of the government to the attention focused on this discovery has been to tell the researchers to stop granting interviews with the press. At the same time, the blog on which the researchers had been providing updates has also fallen silent since Saturday.

Pensacola television station WEAR filed a report (video at the link) on the oil plume and broke the news about the scientists being muzzled by the government:

Over the weekend, a research crew from the University of Southern Mississippi found evidence that there are 3 to 5 plumes… About 5 miles wide, 10 miles long and 3 hundred feet in depth.

But after giving that information to the press, the lead researcher now says he has been asked by the federal government… Which funds his research… To quit giving interviews until further testing is done.

What an interesting change of course for the government. Even the government’s website on the Deepwater Horizon response had been touting the mission of the Pelican as recently as May 6:

[flyarm]

19. BP accused of withholding 'critical' spill data

BP accused of withholding 'critical' spill data

By DINA CAPPIELLO and HARRY R. WEBER – 1 hour ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gIXWY ...

WASHINGTON — The company that owned the oil rig that exploded in the Gulf of Mexico is accusing BP of withholding critical evidence needed to investigate the cause of the worst offshore oil spill in U.S. history, according to a confidential document obtained by The Associated Press. BP called the claims a publicity stunt.

The new complaint by Transocean follows similar complaints by U.S. lawmakers about difficulties obtaining necessary information from BP in their investigations.

snip:

The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee had a "stare down" with BP over some of the data it was seeking, said Bill Wicker, a spokesman for committee chairman Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M.

BP requested that congressional staffers sign a nondisclosure agreement. The committee refused, telling the company that it would send all BP's information back. Since then, BP has been forthcoming with data, Wicker said.

Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass, chair of the House's energy and environment subcommittee, said his staff has also had difficulty "prying information" out of BP.

"I am not surprised Transocean — which may end up in litigation against BP in the future — is encountering similar difficulties," Markey said.

[flyarm]

20. Camilli, also a Woods Hole scientist, said colder temperatures at the plume's extreme depths ...

Camilli, also a Woods Hole scientist, said colder temperatures at the plume's extreme depths inhibit
Camilli, also a Woods Hole scientist, said colder temperatures at the plume's extreme depths inhibited the degradation properties of oil.Microbes act more slowly on the subsea oil than on surface oil because of lower temperatures, he said. If all other conditions were equal, microbes would eat up the plume's subsea oil about 10 times more slowly, Camilli said.


Researchers say they saw 22-mile hydrocarbon plume in Gulf - CNN.com

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/19/gulf.oil.plume/index.h ...

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: Report author: hydrocarbons have likely moved elsewhere
NEW: Oil is slower to degrade at plume's extreme depths
Researchers say hydrocarbon plume in Gulf of Mexico was at least 22 miles long
Two recent studies arrived at more grave findings about the remaining oil

snip:

Camilli, also a Woods Hole scientist, said colder temperatures at the plume's extreme depths inhibited the degradation properties of oil.

Microbes act more slowly on the subsea oil than on surface oil because of lower temperatures, he said. If all other conditions were equal, microbes would eat up the plume's subsea oil about 10 times more slowly, Camilli said.

Meanwhile, Thad Allen, the government's point man for the oil disaster, responded Thursday on CNN to two recent studies that appeared to contradict the government's estimate that about 75 percent of the oil has been cleaned up.

Researchers at the University of South Florida have concluded that oil may have settled at the bottom of the Gulf farther east than previously suspected -- and at levels toxic to marine life. In addition, a team from Georgia Sea Grant and the University of Georgia released a report that estimates that 70 to 79 percent of the oil that gushed from the well "has not been recovered and remains a threat to the ecosystem," the university said in a release.

[flyarm]

21. NOAA Tried to Silence Reports of Undersea Oil Plumes | Mother Jones

NOAA Tried to Silence Reports of Undersea Oil Plumes | Mother Jones

http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/08/noaa-tried-h ...

NOAA Tried to Silence Reports of Undersea Oil Plumes

— By Kate Sheppard

| Tue Aug. 10, 2010 8:04 AM PDT
SNIP: In the St. Petersburg Times, Craig Pittman has this scathing report on how the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration attempted to silence scientists who discovered the vast undersea plumes of dispersed oil in the Gulf:

A month after the Deepwater Horizon disaster began, scientists from the University of South Florida made a startling announcement. They had found signs that the oil spewing from the well had formed a 6-mile-wide plume snaking along in the deepest recesses of the gulf.
The reaction that USF announcement received from the Coast Guard and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the federal agencies that sponsored their research: Shut up.
"I got lambasted by the Coast Guard and NOAA when we said there was undersea oil," USF marine sciences dean William Hogarth said. Some officials even told him to retract USF's public announcement, he said, comparing it to being "beat up" by federal officials.
It gets worse; NOAA's top brass confirmed that they tried to keep the reports quiet:

NOAA Administrator Jane Lubchenco, in comments she made to reporters in May, expressed strong skepticism about the existence of undersea oil plumes - as did BP's then-CEO, Tony Hayward.
"She basically called us inept idiots," Asper said. "We took that very personally."

[flyarm]

22. Calls for better seafood testing as Gulf fishing begins anew ( video must see!)

Calls for better seafood testing as Gulf fishing begins anew ( video must see!)


http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/17/gulf.oil.disaster/inde...


By the CNN Wire Staff
August 17, 2010 3:33 p.m. EDT

Gulf Coast Oil Spill
BP
Deepwater Horizon
University of South Florida


CNN) -- A day after fall shrimping season began in the Gulf of Mexico and the state of Alabama reopened coastal waters to fishing, a major environmental watchdog group called for more stringent testing of seafood.
The National Resources Defense Council released a statement Tuesday saying it sent letters to the Food and Drug Administration and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, co-signed by almost two dozen Gulf coast groups, asking the government agencies to:

-- ensure that there is comprehensive monitoring of seafood contamination.

-- ensure public disclosure of all seafood monitoring data and methods.

-- ensure that fishery re-opening criteria protect the most vulnerable populations, including children, pregnant women and subsistence fishing communities.


"With the opening of shrimping season and near-daily reopening of fishing areas, seafood safety is a major issue right now," Dr. Gina Solomon, a senior scientist with the National Resources Defense Council, said in the statement. "The government needs to show it is putting strong safety criteria and testing standards in place to ensure that the seafood from the Gulf will be safe to eat in the months and years to come."

[flyarm]

24. Scientists skeptical of Obama claims BP's spill doesn't threat Gulf

Scientists skeptical of Obama claims BP's spill doesn't threat Gulf

"Much of the dispersed oil is in the process of relatively rapid degradation."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100804/sc_mcclatchy ...
Scientists skeptical of Obama claims BP's spill doesn't threat Gulf

Edit to add:(see next link..all the stories have been scrubbed last night when i looked for the story..on Google from US sources..weird..(?) yeah...see the story from Canadian sources..they weren't scrubbed there!)

see story here:..it has been scrubbed in most US papers..since yesterday!!
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Scientists+skeptical+O...


Wed Aug 4, 7:31 pm ET
WASHINGTON — Many scientists say they're skeptical of a widely publicized government report Wednesday that concludes much of the oil that gushed from BP's leaking well is gone and poses little threat to the Gulf of Mexico .

According to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration , the "vast majority" of the 4.9 million barrels released into the Gulf has either evaporated "or been burned, skimmed, and recovered from the wellhead, or dispersed."



This is the Government report..click link and see the chart..the same Chart seen in the following story I have posted here that shows Gibbs in the press room showing the same chart!


http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/posted/2931/Oil ...

BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Budget:
What Happened To the Oil?
The National Incident Command (NIC) assembled a number of interagency expert scientific teams to estimate the quantity of BP Deepwater Horizon oil that has been released from the well and the fate of that oil. The expertise of government scientists serving on these teams is complemented by nongovernmental and governmental specialists reviewing the calculations and conclusions. One team calculated the flow rate and total oil released. Led by Energy Secretary Steven Chu and United States Geological Survey (USGS) Director Marcia McNutt, this team announced on August 2, 2010, that it estimates that a total of 4.9 million barrels of oil has been released from the BP Deepwater Horizon well. A second interagency team, led by the Department of the Interior (DOI) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) developed a tool called the Oil Budget Calculator to determine what happened to the oil. The calculator uses the 4.9 million barrel estimate as its input and uses both direct measurements and the best scientific estimates available to date, to determine what has happened to the oil. The interagency scientific report below builds upon the calculator and summarizes the disposition of the oil to date.
In summary, it is estimated that burning, skimming and direct recovery from the wellhead removed one quarter (25%) of the oil released from the wellhead. One quarter (25%) of the total oil naturally evaporated or dissolved, and just less than one quarter (24%) was dispersed (either naturally or as a result of operations) as microscopic droplets into Gulf waters. The residual amount — just over one quarter (26%) — is either on or just below the surface as light sheen and weathered tar balls, has washed ashore or been collected from the shore, or is buried in sand and sediments. Oil in the residual and dispersed categories is in the process of being degraded. The report below describes each of these categories and calculations. These estimates will continue to be refined as additional information becomes available.


*****See same chart as Gibbs shows it to the press!************

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010 /...

Positive report on Gulf of Mexico oil spill has local officials, environmentalists wary

Published: Wednesday, August 04, 2010, 9:00 PM

A federal report released Wednesday indicating that most of the oil from the Gulf of Mexico spill is no longer in the water was met with skepticism from environmentalists and local officials wary after federal officials grossly underestimated how much oil was spilled in the first place.


"I hate not to trust my government, but they haven't always been truthful through this whole thing," Nungesser said, citing initial low-ball federal estimates on how much oil was gushing from BP's ruptured well. "There's still a lot of distrust there."

The National Incident Command report said just 26 percent of the spilled oil remains in the Gulf, primarily as a light sheen or weathered tar balls.

The rest of the oil from the 200-million-gallon spill was either burned, skimmed, dispersed or piped from the wellhead to ships, according to the report compiled by government scientists from several agencies.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the report indicates the worst fears about the spill's potential impact won't materialize.

"I think it is fairly safe to say that because of the environmental effects of Mother Nature, the warm waters of the Gulf, and the federal response, that many of the doomsday scenarios that were talked about and repeated a lot have not and will not come to fruition because of that," Gibbs said during a news conference in Washington.

[QC]

25. Impossible! Baby Jesus raptured the oil up to heaven on golden sunbeams.

This is just propaganda from people who never loved the president anyway!

[flyarm]

29. Oil Spills Raise Arsenic Levels in the Ocean,

Oil Spills Raise Arsenic Levels in the Ocean, Says New Research

Source: ScienceDaily

(July 5, 2010) — Oil spills can increase levels of toxic arsenic in the ocean, creating an additional long-term threat to the marine ecosystem, according to research published July 2 in the journal Water Research.

snip

In the study, a team from Imperial College London has discovered that oil spills can partially block the ocean's natural filtration system and prevent this from cleaning arsenic out of the seawater. The researchers say their study sheds light on a new toxic threat from the Gulf of Mexico oil leak.

more: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/... ...

[flyarm]

30. Pulmonary Specialist: “Never seen such enormous amounts of exposure”;

Pulmonary Specialist: “Never seen such enormous amounts of exposure”; Swimming in Gulf waters can cause “respiratory failure”

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/pulmonar... -...

By oilflorida, on July 3rd, 2010

And at hospitals in Louisiana, doctors and nurses are manning decontamination tents.

“We usually get a phone call ahead of time when patients are coming in, who have been exposed to some sort of chemical. whether it be from the oil spill or something else. We wash them off to be safe.”

As doctors on the ground deal with a first-of-its-kind problem, other medical experts are meeting with scientists at the request of the Department of Health and Human Services. ..

Dr. Harish Seethamraju is a pulmonary specialist at Methodist Hospital in Houston.

Seethamraju says potential problems include wheezing and asthma, but that’s not all. “It they take a swim in these waters, the toxic chemicals can cause pneumonia and respiratory failure.” …

“Nobody has experience with that,” said Seethamraju. “We have never seen such enormous amounts of exposure.”

[flyarm]

32. Check out the date on this one!!!!!!!!!

Check out the date on this one!!!!!!!!!

I have kept everything in my files since the get go..we in Fla were getting thes reports right after the explosion..and the preceeding days. The Government knew this was going to be a gusher..what you folks weren't told..and you were given a good dose of Kabuki theater!

This report many of us in Fla got 10 days after the explosion!

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Leaked report: Government fears Deepwater Horizon well could become unchecked gusher
By Ben Raines

April 30, 2010, 2:18PM



http://blog.al.com/live/2010/04/deepwater_...

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keep reading and find out what this admin and the former and our government have been doing!


'The following is not public' document states

View full size(AP Photo/U.S. Coast Guard)This image provided by the U.S. Coast Guard Saturday April 24, 2010, shows oil leaking from the drill pipe of the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig after it sank. A confidential government report on the unfolding spill disaster makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the well could be on the verge of becoming an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf. A confidential government report on the unfolding spill disaster in the Gulf makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the well could become an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf.

"The following is not public," reads the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Emergency Response document dated April 28. "Two additional release points were found today in the tangled riser. If the riser pipe deteriorates further, the flow could become unchecked resulting in a release volume an order of magnitude higher than previously thought."

Asked Friday to comment on the document, NOAA spokesman Scott Smullen said that the additional leaks described were reported to the public late Wednesday night. Regarding the possibility of the spill becoming an order of magnitude larger, Smullen said, "I'm letting the document you have speak for itself."

In scientific circles, an order of magnitude means something is 10 times larger. In this case, an order of magnitude higher would mean the volume of oil coming from the well could be 10 times higher than the 5,000 barrels a day coming out now. That would mean 50,000 barrels a day, or 2.1 million gallons a day. It appears the new leaks mentioned in the Wednesday release are the leaks reported to the public late Wednesday night.

"There is no official change in the volume released but the USCG is no longer stating that the release rate is 1,000 barrels a day," continues the document, referred to as report No. 12. "Instead they are saying that they are preparing for a worst-case release and bringing all assets to bear."

The emergency document also states that the spill has grown in size so quickly that only 1 to 2 percent of it has been sprayed with dispersants.

The Press-Register obtained the emergency report from a government official. The White House, NOAA, the Coast Guard and BP Plc did not immediately return calls for comment made early this morning.

The worst-case scenario for the broken and leaking well pouring oil into the Gulf of Mexico would be the loss of the wellhead and kinked piping currently restricting the flow to 5,000 barrels -- or 210,000 gallons -- per day.




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what they don't want you to see or know about!!

http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/video_show...

A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration video, shot as officials coordinated response to the Deepwater Horizon disaster, shows that federal officials almost immediately worried that the oil well could leak up to 110,000 barrels per day, or 4.6 million gallons.

The video appears on a federal Web site.

It was filmed in Seattle, at NOAA's Western Regional Center, as scientists and federal officials in Seattle, Houston and New Orleans engaged in telephone conferences, according to a companion document on the Web site.

snip:

A confidential NOAA report, dated April 28 and circulated among federal agencies, makes similar projections regarding spill size in a worst-case situation.

View full size(NOAA video still)A hand-drawn map of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill dated April 22, 2010, is seen in this image from a video downloaded from the NOAA Web site. The video shows federal officials discussing the oil spill soon after the Deepwater Horizon exploded.

It describes newly discovered leaks in the tangle of riser pipe, attributing them to ongoing erosion of the pipe. The riser pipe, in this case about 5,000 feet long, connects the wellhead on the sea floor to the drilling rig on the surface.

"If the riser pipe deteriorates further, the flow could become unchecked," reads the report.

On Thursday, the day after the NOAA report was circulated, BP officials said they were worried about "erosion" of the piping.

Sand is an integral part of the formations that hold oil under the Gulf. The raw crude rising from the bottom of a well carries sand and other abrasive materials. In effect, the oil is sandblasting the piping as it rushes through with tremendous force, according to petroleum engineers.

"I think we need to be prepared for it to be the spill of the decade," Debbie Payton of NOAA, the meeting's coordinator, says during the NOAA video.

[flyarm]

34. Plumes of Gulf oil spreading east on sea floor

( this story from last week)


Plumes of Gulf oil spreading east on sea floor
Source: CNN

CNN) -- A new report set to be released Tuesday renews concerns about the long-term environmental impact of the Gulf Coast oil disaster, and efforts to permanently plug the ruptured BP oil well have been delayed again.

Researchers at the University of South Florida have concluded that oil from the Deepwater Horizon spill may have settled to the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico further east than previously suspected -- and at levels toxic to marine life.

Initial findings from a new survey of the Gulf conclude that dispersants may have sent droplets of crude to the ocean floor, where it has turned up at the bottom of an undersea canyon within 40 miles of the Florida Panhandle. The results are scheduled to be released Tuesday, but CNN obtained a summary of the initial conclusions Monday night.

Plankton and other organisms at the base of the food chain showed a "strong toxic response" to the crude, and the oil could well up onto the continental shelf and resurface later, according to researchers


Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/17/gulf.oil.disaster /...

[flyarm]

35. Government: Lehr testified that the report hadn't yet been peer-reviewed

Government :Lehr testified that the report hadn't yet been peer-reviewed


edit to add: Understand "Consulted" is not peer review!
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Government :Lehr testified that the report hadn't yet been peer-reviewed

Edited on Fri Aug-20-10 11:40 AM by flyarm
http://news.morningstar.com/newsnet/ViewNews.aspx?artic ...


3rd UPDATE: Rep. Markey: Oil Spill Report Gives 'False Confidence'

Markey's comments represent an unusual break with the administration by one of its closest allies in Congress on environmental issues. They came at a hearing where Bill Lehr, a senior scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, sought to explain the government's findings that only a quarter of the oil remained.



Lehr testified that the report hadn't yet been peer-reviewed because "our priority was to get an answer as quickly as possible to incident command." He expressed frustration with Markey, saying that a peer review had been "delayed by a week because I'm having to come here. We're hoping to get it out in two months."

"That's not timely enough, doctor," replied Markey. "That's the problem, that's what we're trying to get at right here."

At a White House news conference earlier this month, Obama's top adviser on energy issues, Carol Browner, said the report had "been subjected to a scientific protocol, which means you peer review, peer review and peer review.".

On Thursday, administration officials pointed out that the NOAA report lists 11 "independent scientists" whom it said "were consulted on the oil budget calculations, contributed field data, suggested formulas, analysis methods or reviewed the algorithms used" to calculate the amount of oil that had been cleaned up or broken down.

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Read that again..the Government is hoping to get a real report in TWO MONTHS!!!!..and by real report i mean one what has gone under the correct protocol for such a report..PEER REVIEWED

so a certain group of people here at Du have said repeatedly that the Governments report had been.. peer reviewed.. when indeed it had not! And still has not! The government's real report with facts and fact checked with a peer review... will not be available for at least 2 months!

[flyarm]

36. Government used "Skewed " Numbers!

Government used "Skewed " Numbers!


The Georgia study said the government's numbers were skewed for several reasons.

First, because 800,000 barrels of oil were collected from the well before it could spill into the Gulf, the Georgia researchers said a total of 4.1 million barrels spilled into the water. But other factors mean more of that oil remains in the water, they said.

In addition, the Georgia researchers used a fundamentally different definition of when oil is "gone" from the water.

"One major misconception is that oil that has dissolved into water is gone and, therefore, harmless," Hopkinson said. "The oil is still out there, and it will likely take years to completely degrade."


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/08/17/gulf.oil.disaster /...

[jpak]

43. No - the UGA scientists clearly stated that the MEDIA misrepresented the govenment report

They reviewed the government data and concluded it was correct

The UGA scientists contradicted the media's interpretation of the government report.

They used and reviewed the governement's data - they did not present any new data.

Any claim to the contrary is baseless hysteria

yup

[flyarm]

52. Did the White House misrepresent the report before reporting to the media?

The White House reported this..the White House..so did they misrepresent the Report?????????? did they??????????????????????

I don't care what UGA said ..this is what the White House said..IN THE WHITE HOUSE and in the WHITE HOUSE PRESS BRIEFING ROOM ..TO THE MEDIA!


http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/04/new-report-74...

The White House Blog


New Report: 74% of Oil in BP Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill has been Contained or Mitigated

Posted by Heather Zichal on August 04, 2010 at 05:59 PM EDT

Today, a panel of government scientists released a report which said that the vast majority of the oil from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill has either evaporated or been burned, skimmed, recovered from the wellhead or dispersed much of which is in the process of being degraded. A significant amount of this is the direct result of the federal government’s aggressive response to the spill.

The chart below outlines the breakdown of what has happened to the oil released into the Gulf of Mexico since the oil spill began in April:

see the chart the WHITE HOUSE USED on Aug 4th 2010.. ( edit to add : not the media.. but the White House!!!)

These interagency findings were generated using a scientific tool called the Oil Budget Calculator, which employs a combination of direct measurements and the best scientific estimates available. The calculator is based on 4.9 million barrels of oil released into the Gulf, the government’s latest estimates of the flow rate from Monday. More than 25 of the best government and independent scientists contributed to or reviewed the calculator and its calculation methods. Scientists from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Department of Energy (DOE), as well as academic scientists are continuing to work to refine these calculations.

While we welcome the news contained in this report, we continue to be extremely concerned about what this oil spill means for the health of the Gulf ecosystem and the millions of people who depend on the Gulf for their livelihoods and enjoyment. To that end, our response effort will continue until the well is killed, the oil is cleaned up and until all of the people are made whole again.

For more information about the ongoing Administration-wide response to BP Oil Spill, visit RestoreTheGulf.gov.

Heather Zichal is the Deputy Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change

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now lets look at the White House press briefing..shall we..this is from the White House's own web site..and the official transcript!! So is the White House brieifing now considered the Media screwing up the story???????????

• Briefing Room • Press Briefings The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release August 04, 2010
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, Admiral Thad Allen, Carol Browner, and Dr. Lubchenco, 8/4/2010
James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
Resources that were mentioned in the briefing can be found below.

1:20 P.M. EDT


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/press-briefi...

DR. LUBCHENCO: Okay, Vanna. (Laughter.) About a quarter of the oil has been evaporated or dissolved. This is about 1.2 million barrels. That happens naturally. That’s a natural process. And much of that happened as the oil was being released day to day.

Moving around, let’s go to the upper right, Robert. About 17 percent, or -- I’m sorry, 827,000 barrels were recovered directly from the well site. So we know we’ve got that number measured directly. An additional 5 percent was burned. Another 3 percent was skimmed.

In addition to that, 8 percent of the oil that was released has been chemically dispersed both with dispersants at the surface, as well as subsea. And so if you total up those five pie charts -- direct recovery, burned, skimmed and chemically dispersed -- that gives you a sense of what the results of the federal effort have been. And it totals about a third of the total amount of oil that has been released.

Naturally dispersed oil is also -- accounts for 16 percent. As oil was being released from the wellhead or from the riser pipe, it naturally becomes mixed in turbulent conditions and broken up into small, microscopic droplets that remain -- if they are small enough, they remain below the surface of the water. And so 16 percent naturally dispersed; 8 percent chemically dispersed. That oil is in very, very dilute clouds of microscopic droplets beneath the surface. That is in the process of being very rapidly degraded naturally. And so Mother Nature is assisting here considerably.

So the pieces of the pie chart that we have looked at directly now account for those things that we can measure directly or have very good estimates for.

The residual, which is the upper left part of the pie chart, is 26 percent. And that’s a combination of oil that is in light sheen at the surface, or in tar balls, or has been washed ashore. And much of that has been recovered by federal cleanup efforts and state cleanup efforts.

About 37,000 tons of material have been removed from the beaches already and we’ll continue to do so. So I think the bottom line here is that the -- we can account for all but about 26 percent. And of that, much of that is being -- in the process of being degraded and cleaned up on the shore.

I think it’s important to point out that at least 50 percent of the oil that was released is now completely gone from the system..
And most of the remainder is degrading rapidly or is being removed from the beaches.

I want to also point out simply that we continue to have a very aggressive effort to understand more about where the oil was and what its fate has been. A large number of research vessels continue to be active in the Gulf, and they’re underway to understand the concentrations of subsurface oil and exactly what -- the rate at which it is being biodegraded.

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None of this report was ever Peer Reviewed!!!!!!!! Now this pile of bullshit is being recinded..

oh and by the way..the oil is not degrading rapidly!

[flyarm]

37. How Much Oil is left in The Gulf ?? Video & more..

How much Oil is left in the Gulf???????? Video

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/08/18/ac.how.m ...

August 19, 2010
With conflicting numbers being released, how are we to know how much oil has actually been removed from the Gulf?

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Scientists: Toxic organisms, oil found on Gulf floor

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/17/scientists-toxic-o ... /

John Paul says, at first, he couldn't believe his own scientific data showing toxic microscopic marine organisms in the Gulf of Mexico. He repeated the field test. A colleague did his own test. All the results came back the same: toxic.

It was the first time Paul and other University of South Florida scientists had made such a finding since they started investigating the environmental damage from the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill. The preliminary results, the scientists believe, show that oil that has settled on the floor is contaminating small sea organisms.
Paul is a marine microbiologist with the University of South Florida. He and 13 other researchers were in the middle of a 10-day research mission that began August 6 in the Gulf of Mexico when they made the toxic discovery.

snip:

The researchers found micro-droplets of oil scattered across the ocean floor and they also found those droplets moving up through a part of the Gulf called the DeSoto Canyon, a channel which funnels water and nutrients into the popular commercial and recreational waters along the Florida Gulf Coast.
The scientists say even though it's getting harder to see the oil the Gulf is still not safe.

"This whole concept of submerged oil and the application of dispersants in the subsurface and what are the impacts that it could have, have changed the paradigm of what an oil spill is from a 2-dimensional surface disaster to a 3-dimensional catastrophe," said David Hollander, a chemical oceanographer and one of the lead scientists on the recent USF mission.

[Liberty Belle]

47. A consultant involved in the "cleanup" revealed this to me today:

BP used chemicals designed to sink the oil to the bottom of the sea where it will contaminate things for the next few zillion years, then fired the cleanup workers after hiding the evidence of its fouling of our oceans for our lifetime and beyond.

[flyarm]

54. COREXIT.. EXTREMELY TOXIC..

USF scientists find evidence that oil spill damaging critical marine life
St. Petersburg TImes

By Craig Pittman, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Wednesday, August 18, 2010

ST. PETERSBURG — The oil from the Deepwater Horizon disaster is still in the Gulf of Mexico and is causing ecological damage, according to new findings from the University of South Florida.

USF marine scientists conducting experiments in an area where they previously found clouds of oil have now discovered what appears to be oil in sediment of a vital underwater canyon and evidence that the oil has become toxic to critical marine organisms, the college reported Tuesday.

In preliminary results, the scientists aboard the Weatherbird II discovered that oil droplets are distributed on the gulf's marine sediment in the DeSoto Canyon, a critical spawning ground for commercially important fish species.

Laboratory tests conducted aboard the ship on the effects of oil have found that phytoplankton — the microscopic plants that make up the basis of the gulf's food web — and bacteria have been negatively affected by surface and subsurface oil.

The Weatherbird II, carrying 14 researchers and six crew members, returned to St. Petersburg on Monday from a 10-day research venture. The findings reported Tuesday must be verified in lab tests.

[KakistocracyHater]

48. more like it's 650 feet DEEP, not high

& bravo to the areas' fishermen who refuse to pretend everything's fine.

[CoffeeCat]

51. Thank you, thank you flyarm...

...for ALL of your posts and for all of this info!!!!!

I see how committed you are to getting out the correct information, and also to
ensuring that BP public relations nonsense doesn't fool us into believing that
rainbows and unicorns abound.

It's the only way to fight back against these corporate ingrates--with the truth.

Again, thank you so much.

[flyarm]

53. You are welcome..the Gulf is my back yard..I am sick of the propaganda..I am sick of the damn lies..

I am sick of burning eyes and throat..and I am terrified of the carcinogens we have all been exposed to ..and I will not be silenced..no matter how hard the dis-tractors are and the propagandists that are trying to silence the truth.

I will be away for a week..please copy and post these articles in my absence!

Please do not allow the propagandists here to stop the truth!

If the lies are allowed to stand ..what are the next lies?..it will not be too far flung to realize ..today it is our shoes walking in this mess..what will your shoes walk in next?

I will speak out,because I must ..for the children exposed to this shit!
And the pregnant women who may expose their fetus to the seafood from the Gulf!

And god help anyone who gets in this grandma's way!

I will not be silenced.

Please copy these articles and post them everywhere!!'
Thank you all!

[earth mom]

58. Thank you flyarm!

:yourock:

:applause:

[ensho]

67. hugs and kisses and I won't shut up either

nt

[Kurovski]

68. Kick.

The whole thread is a keeper now, flyarm.

Bookmarked accordingly.

[SugarShack]

69. Ditto Flyarm!

Keep up the great work!

[flyarm]

55. Study: Gulf oil spill still a threat to seafood safety

Study: Gulf oil spill still a threat to seafood safety


Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/16/v-fullstory/1778984/study-gulf-spill-still-a-seafood.html#ixzz0wyB2arX8

BY FRED TASKER
[e-mail]

The Gulf of Mexico oil spill still poses threats to human health and seafood safety, according to a study published Monday by the peer-reviewed Journal of the American Medical Association.

The report comes two days after President Obama and members of his family swam in the Gulf at Panama City Beach and ate fish caught there, and hours after this year's commercial shrimping season officially kicked off along the Louisiana coast.

Federal officials disputed the new report and said ongoing testing is aggressive and sufficient to protect public health.

In the short term, study co-author Gina Solomon voiced greatest concern for shrimp, oysters, crabs and other invertebrates she says are have difficulty clearing their systems of dangerous polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) similar to those found in cigarette smoke and soot. Solomon is an MD and public health expert in the department of medicine at the University of California at San Francisco.

In the longer term, she expressed worries about big fin fish such as tuna, swordfish and mackerel, saying levels of mercury from the oil might slowly increase over time by being consumed by fish lower in the food chain and becoming concentrating in the larger fish.

As time goes on, she said, doctors may be warning pregnant women and children to strictly limit the amount of such fish they eat. Some of the fish had relatively high levels of mercury even before the oil spill, she said.

[Gman]

56. Corexit is pretty good for hiding oil you don't want to get fined for

So just eat up those shrimp they had on the Today Show or CBS Morning Show or whatever it was to make you think everything's just fine now.

[defendandprotect]

57. You can't hide all of the oil all of the time, but you can hide most of it most of the time....!!

[Pooka Fey]

59. K&R

[CanonRay]

63. OK, Thats 478,393,344,000 cubic feet

any oil geniuses know how many barrels/gallons of oil that is, besides the smartasses who will say a shitload?

[lonestarnot]

66. And is the occupation still over too?