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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 12:29 PM Original message |
From student to teacher in 5 weeks...TFA recruits play bigger role. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. Meanwhile, with two college degrees in education, one in history, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Amazing resume', Madhound. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. From the article, the starting salary is 49k for a DC teacher, more if |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. 49,000 in DC is a pittance, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I made less as a sysadmin in DC |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Really? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. That was what I started at in 2004 |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. The TFAers don't have families. They aren't trying to save for |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. AMEN! "The more they try to fix education, the worse they mess it up." |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Talk to an entry level Capitol Hill staffer |
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seleff (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. Feel for you |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. keep trying |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. +1 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Ahhh. So naive. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-24-10 12:33 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. They replaced experienced teachers who were laid off. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. tfa is slightly more expensive; why is there money for tfa teachers & not real ones? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. And it doesn't cost a recruiting fee to hire teachers locally. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 08:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. and union busting. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. If I read between the lines of the principal's comment... |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 06:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
44. I'd love to know what that TFA traning entails. |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
4. Let's just save money across the board -- boot camps for every profession! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. And pay a private company to recruit them while locals stay unemployed. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. In this case, very deliberate |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 08:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. TFA is just another crony taking tax dollars |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-24-10 01:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
65. If so, it's someone else's crony NT |
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Billmelater (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. now you're thinking |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
5. Jamila Best has degrees in psychology and sociology from Howard. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. She's not a stranger to human behavior, no, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. With 20 hours of special ed courses from a university... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. But you taught special ed kids though, even unqualified? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. I don't disagree that 5 weeks isn't enough, that's why I'm |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. What cities are paying TFA....Sacramento 2.7 million... |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
12. This is creeping corporatization. n/t |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. It's not creeping; it's been happening rapidly. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. This is not quite the same as Blackwater contract teachers... |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Actually, not so different from Blackwater -- take a look at madfloridian's journal. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Are you still discussing Teach For America? |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. I was replying re- the "corporatization" of education generally. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R'd (and note, the unreccer's are out) |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. Scab for America |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I like it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
33. Hey, think I'm kidding? New Haven, CT pays TFA $2500 for each recruit. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
34. Folks are still defending paying recruiters to hire teachers as locals are laid off. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
37. Whoa. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. They probably don't know yet. |
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DemocracyInaction (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 05:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Sp Ed---on those credentials??? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 05:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I think the school in the OP is a charter school |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 06:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. That would be me |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. I wonder if these young people, who seem to be very bright and motivated, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
42. I believe Cesar Chavez is a charter school, which frees it from many regulations |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Sounds like the system worked |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 06:06 PM Response to Original message |
43. The attrition rate must be ridiculous. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
47. Question for madfloridian...Do Florida and D.C. schools use the IEP... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 08:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Yes, Florida does. I did not teach special ed, but my friends did . |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
48. Why don't we start a program to train people to be lawyers in 5 weeks? Obama would sign on |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
53. I have worked with TFA teachers; our kids deserve better. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. +1 |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. We had one last year who kept getting her cell phone stolen |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Children teaching children. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
56. The POINT is to leave after two years. We've read how TfA is a resume'-stop. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. From their website about this: |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. This is my favorite excuse for a teacher quitting the profession |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-23-10 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
62. Just imagine what we could do with this in other fields. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-24-10 10:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. You are right about politicians for sure. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-24-10 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
67. Look at the amazing publicity TFA gets. |
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