Bret Baier just called Obama a "young buck" on Fox News. 6:28 EDT.

[skip fox]

Talk about tone deaf.

[XemaSab]

1. .

:golfclap:

[skip fox]

2. He was promoting a story which ran 6:32-33 about Rangel and Obama

He didn't repeat "young buck" in the story.

The promotion ran something like: "Well some old hands have something to say to young bucks" with Obama and Rengal's pictures on the screen.

For the record.

[Judi Lynn]

3. So odd! Had to go look his face up to see what kind of idiot would say that.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-dyn/content/photo/2009/01/05/PH2009010503276.jpg http://media.eyeblast.org.nyud.net:8090/newsbusters/static/2010/07/Bret%20Baier%20Rips%20Howard%20Dean%20for%20Saying%20Chris%20Wallace%20Lied%20About%20Sherrod%20Coverage.jpg

This is just sad!

[cowman]

6. What's so sad?

[MilesColtrane]

53. Was he the child actor who appeared as a banjo playing savant in "Deliverance"?

Not enough branches on the ole family tree there.

[Mimosa]

4. OMG

Hope somebody recorded it. It will be scrubbed.

In all my life in the South I have never heard the term 'young buck' employed except in race-related context in literature. I know it's a racist term.

Where is Baier from?

[cowman]

5. Oh please

why does someone always play the race card? He didn't call Pres Obama a young buck.

[tkmorris]

8. No he didn't, the promo did.

And if you don't think having that term on screen alongside Obama's face is racial then I'm not sure there's anywhere we can go from there.

[Binka]

9. Enough Of Your Blathering

plonk

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[cowman]

20. You know what

you believe what you want to believe.

[Caretha]

15. My Gawd!

how did you get to 2228 posts since January 2010. I've been here since 2002 and still have not made 1200 posts. You are definitely an over-achiever. Kudos!

[cowman]

16. Thanks

I really have waaaaaaaay too much time on my hands now that I have retired although I do still volunteer once a week for an 8 hr. shift at my towns little Fire & Rescue as a Paramedic just to keep my license active.

[EFerrari]

98. "Playing the race card" is what racists say when their @sses are outed. n/t

[Radical Activist]

10. Just in case there's someone who doesn't get it.

It's part of a mindset left over from the days of slavery that dehumanizes African-Americans like they're farm animals.

http://newshound.de.siu.edu/fall05/stories/storyReader$1085

Hickory Hill

Construction started in 1838 on Hickory Hill, John Hart Crenshaw's house in Equality, Ill. Crenshaw bought his way into the salt business and was reputed to have constructed a system for sending freed blacks back into slavery in the South.

Jon Musgrave, a former reporter for the Harrisburg Daily Register and author of the book "Slaves, Salt, Sex and Mr. Crenshaw," said he has found ample evidence in his research to support this idea.

"Crenshaw was a kidnapper," Musgrave said.

One of the more sordid rumors about the Old Slave House involves a stud slave named Robert Wilson, also known as "Uncle Bob," who supposedly spawned 300 children while held captive by Crenshaw in the 1850s.

"He was a real person," Musgrave said. "We don't have a detailed account of his life. We know from historical research that slave breeding did take place, and there are affidavits from many people who talked to him during the twenties, thirties and forties. He told dozens of people that he was used as a stud slave."

[wmbrew0206]

14. I am sorry but by that logic, any time you use a term about an animal to describe a person

it has racial overtones or is racist? I think that is a bit of a stretch.

Jackass, tomcat, etc are used all the time to describe people and I don't think there are any racial overtones to those terms.

[CBGLuthier]

58. Buck was used specifically and racially to describe black men.

No need to make leaps of semantics. The word was used to describe black men as something other than humans. More of a southern term maybe but it was used.

[Erose999]

61. If you want to see specific literary examples for context, the works of Ralph Ellison,

Charles W. Chesnutt, and James Baldwin are filled with them.

[wmbrew0206]

69. Sorry, I don't have the time to find those examples but you seem to be familiar with them. Could you

give some examples from these works?

FYI, I am not trying to be a smart ass about this, but am very interested since I have never heard anyone ever describe the phase as racist. If it truly is a racist phrase I would like to know so I can stop using it.

[eShirl]

77. snooper2's post #75 below contains a few examples. n/t

[wmbrew0206]

81. I read the post but it does the opposite of what you are claiming. It shows "young buck" is not

a racist phrase.

It shows three search results that basically say there is nothing racist about the phrase. The concluding statement in the post is that the term Young Buck is not a racist phrase in 2010.

[eShirl]

85. apparently I can't help you.

What his post proved was opposite of his intent.

[wmbrew0206]

87. Whatever. Instead of admitting you were wrong or didn't read the post closely enough, I am still

the problem that needs help somehow.

Got it. Thanks.

[eShirl]

90. You're quite welcome.

[CLANG]

105. From the racial slur database

Buck/Buck Nigger: This word has been used since the 17th century to refer to a male Negro - no matter whether slave or not.
http://gyral.blackshell.com/names.html

[county worker]

109. It was a phrase used in my neighborhood in Ohio in the 50's and 60's and it sure as hell is racist.

It was also used as a racist term for Native American men. It was a way of speaking which meant that Blacks and Indians were something less than human.

I remember my dad and my neighbor saying it many times. My dad was a factory worker and a poor one at that. The poor Whites had only one way of feeing superior and that was to dehumanize anyone that was not white. My neighbor was an electrician and would always tell stories about how they kept Blacks from becoming apprentices. He referred to young Black men as young bucks.

[EFerrari]

99. No, it's not a stretch at all. It's a racially charged term

that has been used for hundreds of years here.

[wmbrew0206]

11. I have lived in the south most of my life too and I have heard that term used

all the time to describe all manner of people. I have never heard anyone claim there are racial overtones or that it is a racist term.

It is generally used to describe a someone, normally a young man, that is having a lot of success.

[cowman]

12. And it is used

when a young male deer, aka young buck, challenges an older deer, aka older buck, to supremacy of the herd. There was no racial overtones to it. And thank you for pointing that out.

[Ikonoklast]

17. You are being completely disingenuous.

Context is everything, and in this context it was used it is a racist statement.

Clock is ticking. You aren't fooling anyone here.



Go up to a group of young black men and ask if they know what the term 'young buck' means, and how insulting it is.


I bet they do. And so do you.

[cowman]

19. And you are completely wrong

if you think this was used in the context of a racial slur and I stand by my post. You are the one taking it out of context. We are always blaming the repukes for playing the race card and yet when I see post like yours I wonder if we aren't falling into that same trap

[Ikonoklast]

21. Enjoy your stay. 'We' aren't falling for anything.

You fail to convince me of anything, except one thing that you have confirmed for me.


Most racists are completely tone-deaf.

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[cowman]

36. Are you alluding that I am a racist?

You don't know anything about me and yet you allude that I am a racist. I truly feel pity for you. Have a nice life.

[Ikonoklast]

63. ...and the clock stopped ticking.

Bless your racist heart.

[wmbrew0206]

25. How did the context make it racist? And you still have not said how it is racist.

I listen to a sports radio call in show where one of the hosts is black and a well known former FL Pro Bowler. He use the term "young buck" a lot to describe some of the younger players on the hometown team who are doing well and stepping up. If it was really a racist phrase or had racial overtones do you think he would use that phrase on the air? Especially to describe younger African American football players?

As cowman said, it is a term used to describe younger people, normally male, who are doing well and challenging more established people. I can't tell you how many times I have heard the term used to describe all manner of people. It is more of a term used to describe someone who is younger in their team, club, profession, etc.

[lynne]

24. As a lifelong southerner I've used the term many times and have heard it used often -

- and each time to describe the situation you reference - a younger "up and coming" taking on an older established person. Calling someone a "young buck" describes them as youthful, strong and virile.

I didn't see this particular segment so can't speak for it but it seems that some will find racial overtones in most anything if they look long and hard enough. It's cried so often that it has begun to remind me of the "boy that cries wolf" story.

[cowman]

26. You are so right

Brett Biair meant it in the context exactly as you described it, nothing more, nothing less. I get so tired of people equating everything to racial slurs or baiting. The term racial is fast becoming like the boy who cried wolf one to many times.

[CLANG]

108. One too many times for you!

[CBGLuthier]

60. Lifelong. How old are you? 25 or less?

Damn, now people are denying the term buck was ever used as a racist term?

The word was used as a racist term. Using it today to describe a black man is wrong.

[wmbrew0206]

64. When was it used as a racist term? Please enlighten me since I have heard that phrase

for over 35 years and never once did it have any racial overtones or meaning.

I understand what other are saying about using terms about livestock to describe African Americans being racial as it goes back to how slave owners would describe them as animals. I completely agree that those phrases and terms are racist and are meant to be. However, seeing as a "buck" is a deer and they are not nor ever have been domesticated animals, they have never been part of livestock and the term "young buck" is not used to describe livestock.

So please tell me, how the phrase "young buck" is racist?

[Lance_Boyle]

65. I'm damn near 40, lived in the South most of my life

and have NEVER once heard the phrase "young buck" used with any racial connotation at all. A young buck is an up-and-coming young man, period end of story.

Those who imagine racism where there is none are hypersensitive at best, and racist themselves at worst.

[lynne]

71. I so wish DU had a "Like" button as I would have clicked yours!

- as your post describes very well what I was trying to convey.

[lynne]

70. 55 last May if you must know. Old enough to remember segregation -

- and a 10th generation Virginian. No, the term is not racist and its sad that some wish to make it so. I've come to the conclusion that those finding racism in every word and deed are actually the ones who are unfamiliar with persons of other races and may be uncomfortable dealing with them. As a result they give us "racism over kill" as they fear stepping on what they perceive as sensitive toes.

[Occulus]

76. Bullshit, lynne; it's yet another racist substitution for "nigger"

And no, I won't censor myself. This whole issue is as transparent as glass.

The term "young buck" is a racist euphamism. I've never heard it used in any other context until the apologies I've read on these threads about this topic on this day.

Shame on you.

"some will find racial overtones in most anything if they look long and hard enough"

That's called a tell.

[wmbrew0206]

78. Completely disagree. I have not seen one poster who claims the term "young buck" is racist

be able to provide any support to that claim. Please see post #75 for more of an explanation on this point.

You have a lot of posters on hear saying they have heard the term used a lot, on TV and Radio by both blacks, whites, and other ethnic groups. I have heard used to describe blacks, whites, and others. Pretty much any young male that is dong well and is expected to be challenge the older, more established males.

As far as using the term to refer salves as livestock, as some have mentioned, deer are not livestock, so that argument really doesn't go anywhere.

So if you can provide links or some other support to how you think the phase is racist it would go along way to proving your point. I am willing to listen and change my mind, but I haven't seen anything here that provides support or evidence that the phrase is racist.

[lynne]

94. Obviously for you it is -

- But not for the majority. So, who's really the racist here?

[annabanana]

56. check out the paperwork from the slave trade. .

It is a stock description of the livestock. .

[CBGLuthier]

59. You like wallowing in ignorance.

Don't you.

[wmbrew0206]

62. I did not insult you, I would appecriate if you did not insult me.

If this this phrase is so racist, why is it used all the time on TV and radio by both blacks and whites?

If this phrase is so offensive to the black community, why is there an African American rapper that goes by the name Young Buck?

How is being compared to a deer racist?

There are plenty of racist terms and phrases out there, but this is not one of them. And I hate to see someone go after Faux News for this and look stupid, when there there are a TON of legit things to go after them and their viewers for.

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[Gormy Cuss]

100. So sometimes it's okay to use "buck" to describe a black man

because it's really an analogy to deer and because it may have been used to describe young white men too there can't be any special consideration made for the historic use of the term "buck" to describe young black male slaves.

Does that about sum up your thinking on it?

Next up: comparing Obama to a monkey is A-OK because people compared W to a chimp.

[Ikonoklast]

18. Sure. Right.

Must live the life of a hermit.

[annabanana]

55. check out the paperwork from the slave trade. .

It is a stock description of the livestock. .

[wmbrew0206]

67. I already posted this, but I'll repeat it. Deer are not, nor have ever been livestock, since

they are not domesticated animals and are not considered livestock like cows, pigs, chickens, etc. So how can a phrase used to describe a non-livestock animal be racist?

Following your logic, using any phrase that compares a person to an animal would be racist since "it is a stock description of the livestock?" Like the phrase "stubborn as a mule" or "greedy as a pig" etc.

I completely agree that there are a lot of phrases out there that were used to compare slaves to animals and they are racist. I don't see "young buck" as one of them as it used to describe a younger member of a society that is up and coming and challenging the older members of the society. I have heard it used on TV, on radio, and in the classroom by whites, blacks, and other ethnic groups.

[annabanana]

86. Please look at this poster from slave trade days, Dispute THIS:

source: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6729/

[wmbrew0206]

89. Anna, Finally. Thank you. This is what a lot of us have been asking to see.

You are the first person to actually post some actual historical proof that the term Buck was used for slaves.


On edit, I did a little more research and found this:
http://www.takeourword.com/TOW155/page2.html

It appears that other cultures used the term prior being used in America. According to that article that phrase was not use exclusively in America for slaves, but was meant as an insult when used.

[CLANG]

106. Just because you haven't heard of it.... are you an expert?

[Xenotime]

73. Agreed. RW is looking for another racist term to call President Obama...

now that muslim is wearing out.

[eShirl]

93. They're always looking to expand their schtick.

So transparent of them.

[Xenotime]

95. ha! that they do

[mike r]

7. FWIW - Birth of a Nation:

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/photo/birth-of-a-nation

[Critters2]

28. OMG! Tell me again they aren't racist!

:grr:

[cowman]

30. What is so racist

about that piece?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

43. You are a curious little fella. Aren't you?

Aren't you the same guy who tried to claim your fire department job wasn't a socialist endeavor because Las Vegas ran it as a "for profit" enterprise by billing insurance? When I posted the budget showing the bulk of your budget came from taxes, you disappeared.

I also seem to remember you saying "a poor man never paid my salary" - pretty funny coming from a firefighter sucking on the public teet.

Oh yeah, that was you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=4383498#4384281

And now a protector of the masses from THE RACE CARD!!!!!

You are a curious little fella.

[Cirque du So-What]

54. Curious no more, it seems

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=253764
Well, that's ONE!

[eShirl]

57. The inevitable tombstone. Thanks mods!

[Hassin Bin Sober]

82. Yep. I posted a "thank you mods" thread last night and then thought better of it so I self deleted.

[CLANG]

107. Enjoy your pizza!

[GCP]

27. Straight from Mandingo to Fox News

No surprise there.

[Hannah Bell]

29. wtf?

[eShirl]

31. I think I've only ever heard that phrase before on "Roots." n/t

[cowman]

33. See posts #11, 24 & 25

[eShirl]

35. See post # 31.

[cowman]

37. Maybe thats the only place YOU have heard it

but other people have heard it used in lots of different contexts. Just because thats the only place you heard it doesn't make it a racial slur.

[eShirl]

38. Are you one of those people who defend Fox when they use the word "tarbaby," too?

[cowman]

42. Oh, not you also

are YOU also alluding to that I am a racist? And did you actually hear them say that? If they did then it is indefensible.

[eShirl]

46. I don't know what you are, that's why I'm asking.

I don't watch Fox news, but I do remember right-wingers scrambling after someone from Fox used the term.

[wmbrew0206]

39. So because you have only seen the phase used on Roots it is racist?

You have a lot of people here who have said that they have heard the phrased used a lot and with no racial overtones. It might be a regional thing but seeing as I've heard all manner of people use the phrase, including African Americans on air, I am having a very hard time seeing how it is racist.

[eShirl]

40. They pull this shit all the time.

[wmbrew0206]

45. They pull what? Use phrases most people don't consider racist.

Listen Faux news is complete crap. No one here is saying it isn't. That network tells enough lies that we don't have to get worked up about a phrase that most people don't consider racist.

[eShirl]

47. I think most people would consider it racist, actually.

Not really sure why a few people are hopping all over this thread trying to defend them.
:shrug:

[wmbrew0206]

49. I disagree since it is a phrase in common usage and only a few people here have argued that

it is racist. I think if you are hearing people use the phrase on the radio and the TV and being used by whites and blacks, it is probably not racist.

[eShirl]

50. Certainly the number of posts here defending it are numerous

if not necessarily the number of people.

[wmbrew0206]

48. Can someone please explain how being compared to a deer is racist?

Deer are beautiful animals and have been held in high esteem in a lot of societies. As far as I know there are not a lot of negative stereo types associated with them, like pigs for example. I don't see how being called a young buck has negative connotations for anyone.

[Politicalboi]

52. Apparently you haven't seen this video

Kidnapping Deer. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVWUaH2mCt4

[Doctor_J]

32. There are lots of Fox viewers here

including one ironically called "skip fox"

Probably listeners to Limpballs too. I also wondered how all of those right-wing talking points got here so quickly.

Talk about tone deaf.

[cowman]

34. And what RW talking points would that be

if that were true, the mods would have already deleted them

[UTUSN]

41. Brett, who ---*I* have said for years---was Darth Rums' water boy!1

Just what genius journalism talent did Brett show that zoomed him up into being practically the only one Darth Rums and CHEENEE would let "interview" them AND for the Big Brit HUME choose him as putting his tootsies into Brit's footwear?!1

What are his special skills, his talents, his his....WHAT?!1

[cowman]

44. That may be

but what does that have to do with the thread?
BTW howdy fellow Navy.
U.S. Navy Seabees-1968-1998 4 active, 26 reserve

[Hassin Bin Sober]

51. self delete

[UTUSN]

80. The o.p. features Bret's passing some kind of "youth" judgment on somebody (see #68)

and my post parallels Bret as being callow. Quite apart from the flamewar that went off somewhere in the thread.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

84. That poster is no longer with us. Obvious troll was delivered his pizza last night.

[sadbear]

66. Yep, and pretty soon they'll be calling him Sambo

[eShirl]

74. or "boy"

so they can come back with how boy is used to describe a male child regardless of race, etc etc

[fishwax]

115. alas, I'm sure there'd be people to argue that's not racist either

x(

[skip fox]

68. What did I start? . . . Geez.

"young buck" can apply to a young, feisty white man, a Paul Newman in Hud, say. I grew up in the midwest and it was used this way commonly. But to put Rangal on the screen with Obama (two stills) while talking of "old hand" having something to tell "young bucks," because of the racist use of "buck" for "young black man," indicates an incredible tone deafness, as I put it in the O.P. It may or may not have been mean racially (I think that are aware of what they are doing and were baiting those who see racism in Dr. Laura types), but it was certainly tone deaf, linguistically and morally.

In fact, using "old hand" with "young buck," Fox would argue, evokes a Western (therefore white) context. "Old ranch hands" teaching younger ones who think they have all the answers. I think Fox wanted to bait us so they trotted something like this out so, if caught, they could talk about how racist-calling has gotten out of hand. (While, of course, snickering behind racist innuendos.)

[Morning Dew]

72. I think you're right about how Fox did this.

When I was a youngster in the '60s ( also in the midwest- Wisconsin), the term "young buck" was used in the way you describe.

Today... different story. You'd have to be very careful in using the term at all.

[snooper2]

75. My Google's seaches of the Intertubes shows yes, Young Buck is not racist term

In fact, if you put

"young buck" racist in a googles search, this thread is the 5th hit. Also, the auto-completion feature shows that nobody searches on ( young - buck - racist ).
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22young+buck%22+racist&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS392&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=CerHWpCp1TJiAGpDezASOrvX1DwAAAKoEBU_QhJXL&pbx=1&fp=ad526d12389e3c08


Now, if you type in say | tar baby r (just the letter r) | you will see racial slur, racism. But not with the term young buck. Type | young buck r | and you will get pull down for rehab, rapper, rumors, release date, (no racism)


Now, doing a more in depth search on the term young buck, (history of term young buck) You do find some hits of how "young buck" is used as a racist term.

First hit is an article written by Krugman-
snip
"When he went on about the welfare queen driving her Cadillac, and kept repeating the story years after it had been debunked, some people thought he was engaging in race-baiting. But it was all just an innocent mistake.

When, in 1976, he talked about working people angry about the “strapping young buck” using food stamps to buy T-bone steaks at the grocery store, he didn’t mean to play into racial hostility. True, as The New York Times reported,

The ex-Governor has used the grocery-line illustration before, but in states like New Hampshire where there is scant black population, he has never used the expression “young buck,” which, to whites in the South, generally denotes a large black man.

But the appearance that Reagan was playing to Southern prejudice was just an innocent mistake."
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/11/10/innocent-mistakes/

The second hit is a debunked myth by Snopes that the term "buck" (instead of saying dollar) is racist and has racist origins. In that piece the term "young buck" is described(from the urban legend) (Young male slaves were often called "bucks" because tehy were used as beasts of burden.)
http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/buck.asp

Third hit is a wikipedia article about deer
Fourth hit is wiki page about the word fuck :P
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS392&q=history+of+term+young+buck&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=ad526d12389e3c08

Doing the search with "young buck" in quotes doesn't give us any more evidence....



I would say that from this brief bit of research, young buck isn't a racist term. At least not in the year 2010.

[uncommon]

83. It sounds like this might be a regional thing, because I have never heard this term used that way -

but it sounds like plenty of people in other parts of the country have.

[annabanana]

88. N'ga PLEASE!

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/6729/

[mike r]

91. The Brute Caricature:

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/brute/

[jayfish]

103. What Is That Document Supposed To Show?

The word buck is used in it one time with no context to support it's meaning.

In the 1960s and 1970s "Blaxploitation" movies brought aggressive, anti-White Black males onto the big screen. Some of these fit the "Buck" caricature -- for

The article never extrapolates on "the Buck caricature".

BTW, any usage of the term I've heard referred to any young male who is/was successful in his current endeavor.

[Rebubula]

92. So....

...is wench now a racist term??

If this clipping is your evidence that buck is racist, then wench is as well. Right?

[CLANG]

111. Wow! What logic!!

[Karenina]

96. Thank you. The same words can have different meanings depending on

who is using them to refer to whom. Amis are mostly monolingual so nuance is wasted on them, speshully when dey cant even spell or speak proper an be screamin' how everbody whey dey is need to do better than they EVER COULD or exactly what their forebears DID. An never mind da whole goddamt world done got da message!

If anyone has watched ANY FOOTAGE of the disasters around the world, does it occur that so many of these simple people ARE ABLE to communicate in English?

In my day, "Young Buck" when applied to the melanin-deprived had a POSITIVE connotation of Davey Crockett, stately stag. When applied to the "other" it was a designation of an animal to be tamed.

[CLANG]

110. Thank you, nanner!

[CBGLuthier]

113. young buck may not be racist

But using the single word buck to describe black men has always been racist.

Try googling the exact phrase "n***** buck" Amazing how often those two words appear together. and not just in David Alan Coe lyrics either.

[Blue_Tires]

97. I think the ultimate point is that Fox has a continual habit of using these 'borderline' terms

ones that may or may not be racist depending on individual upbringing/culture/geography....

And like their other 'innocent mistakes' (i.e., mis-identifying black congressmen, putting "D" next to the names of GOP reps in legal trouble) it's happened too many times to be a coincidence

[skip fox]

101. Yes, they're trolling. Plus, like naughty schoolboys, snickering like they said a dirty word

but couldn't be blamed for it because, after all, they said 'human intercourse' not 'f*ck.'"

[skip fox]

102. Maybe Keith will have this clip for his Worst Persons spot tonight!!

:)

[CLANG]

104. Meaning he'd make a strong slave

[Scurrilous]

112. Idiot. n/t

[BAU]

114. This is pretty silly...

I mean, I hate FNC as much as the next guy, but it isn't racist. Were the people who are up in arms about this being racist, just as upset about "Negro Dialect" or "typical white person"? If you weren't, you're a hypocrite. You shouldn't have been then and you shouldn't be now.

Quit looking for bad stuff that isn't there. You'll miss the bad stuff stuff that actually is...and there's lots of it.

[Marr]

116. Huh? I've heard the phrase used to describe young men of all colors.

I'm in California, but it's always been used in a race-neutral way around me. I mean, the few times I've heard it. It's not exactly hep lingo.