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cynatnite
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:36 AM Original message |
California May Ban Conventional Lightbulbs |
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babylonsister
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. The "How Many Legislators Does it Take to Change a Lightbulb Act"... |
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halobeam
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. hey, |
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shanti
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
2. great idea |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. really?! |
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LostinVA
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. IKEA has great prices on them, if you have one close by |
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jpak
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Chinamart has them for $3.88 (60 W Philips soft-warm) |
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kerry-is-my-prez
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. They last a lot longer so it's probably the same or even cheaper. |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. It was borderline cost-effective to switch when I did in 2000 |
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jcrew2001
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. cheap |
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high density
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. I've had only one CFL die on me so far |
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DarkTirade
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Thu Feb-01-07 03:42 AM Response to Reply #66 |
112. My roommie did the same... |
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NoSheep
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
61. Fluorescents give me migraines. What am I supposed to do? |
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Clark2008
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. Me, too. |
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NoSheep
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I wonder if having a shade on them will help. They do screw into regular lamp |
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Thu Feb-01-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
126. my problem with fluorescents is the shade... |
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smirkymonkey
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Wed Jan-31-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. Same here - I guess if they ever try to ban incandescent bulbs |
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William Bloode
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
105. This is due to light spectrum, or Kelvin rating. |
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NoSheep
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Thu Feb-01-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #105 |
124. Wow. That sounds like a solution. I appreciate that! |
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Lisa0825
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Thu Feb-01-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
108. Have you tried compact fluorescents? |
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Mabus
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Thu Feb-01-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #61 |
110. I hated fluorescent lights in school |
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Momgonepostal
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. I think it's a horrible idea |
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jpak
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Many are now dimmer and recessed compatible |
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Momgonepostal
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Thu Feb-01-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #46 |
109. Thanks, I'll look into that... |
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porphyrian
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
3. What about specialty lights, like Lava Lamps, that need the heat of an incandescent... |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. They'll be banned too |
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Kolesar
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Like the Seinfeld episode--Newman getting hi-flow showerheads from East Germany |
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nolabels
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. California should also legalize and subsidize pot cultivations, it's #1 cash crop |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
4. I hope the bill provides for some reasonable exceptions |
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aquart
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. No! Not the easy bake oven! |
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Kadie
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. and Shrinky Dinks! n/t |
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JVS
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
8. we didn't ban candles before. Make the new bulbs cheaper and/or better... |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. You mean use carrots instead of sticks? |
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Tesha
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Did you notice the article doesn't describe the steps being proposed? |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I'd like to see a whole lot more detailed cost/benefit analysis |
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Tesha
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I'm not sure. |
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Leopolds Ghost
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
97. Marginal increase in glass use does not increase carbon consumption |
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Tesha
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Thu Feb-01-07 07:28 AM Response to Reply #97 |
117. Nonsense. |
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XemaSab
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
13. Time to go stock up |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. I just installed a recessed fixture in my kitchen, over the sink |
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Leopolds Ghost
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
98. Halogens are very inergy intensive, they are so extremely hot. |
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slackmaster
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Thu Feb-01-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #98 |
121. I don't run the halogens for long periods |
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The2ndWheel
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
14. I keep saying we're not going to change voluntarily on a large scale |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I changed out almost every incandescent for a CFL in 2000 |
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kestrel91316
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
15. This will never do. There aren't any CFLs to take the place of my 4 big |
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EOTE
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Not just CFLs... |
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kestrel91316
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Wed Jan-31-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. I think the problem with LED lights is that they may be very bright |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. You are not mistaken. |
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Tesha
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. You can get CFL "globe" bulbs too. |
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kestrel91316
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Wed Jan-31-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. Really?????? |
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jpak
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I switched all the globe lights in my bathroom to CFL globes |
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kestrel91316
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Wed Jan-31-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
76. (kestrel shakes head)......how the hell did I miss these????? |
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Tesha
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. For example, from Philips... |
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kestrel91316
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Wed Jan-31-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. Thanks! Now I can get rid of my only remaining incandescents!!! |
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politicat
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
60. They do. |
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Red Right and BLUE
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Wed Jan-31-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
80. I am looking at your sig |
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eppur_se_muova
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Thu Feb-01-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
127. Lots of varieties available, just not in every store. Check out these links ... |
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Harper_is_Bush
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Thu Feb-01-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. Nice selection. Those prices are inflated beyond belief. |
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eppur_se_muova
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Thu Feb-01-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Even in local stores, I see big variations -- $2 one place, $4 another. |
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Harper_is_Bush
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Thu Feb-01-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Yes. And I think the internet is taking advantage of the newness. |
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tritsofme
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
17. If we outlaw conventional lightbulbs... |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I'm sure pre-ban bulbs will be grandfathered |
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Tesha
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
24. It sounds silly, but people have proven, over and over... |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Some people are even dumber than you describe |
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crispini
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. it's hurting all of us |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Global warming is undeniably real |
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halobeam
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. Take Gores comments.... |
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Viva_La_Revolution
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. Recycling went thru the same thing... |
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halobeam
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
96. so true. |
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liberalEd
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
50. I agree |
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Leopolds Ghost
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
100. What if they don't WANT to change? |
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Tesha
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Thu Feb-01-07 07:25 AM Response to Reply #100 |
116. Global Climate Change and pollution from electrical power generation |
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Leopolds Ghost
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
101. When folks who want to legislate consumption start riding the bus to work, I'll be impressed. |
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MyNameGoesHere
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
29. Is there a CFL |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Most of them are actually made in China now |
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Tesha
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. LEDs will replace most of the lamps you wondered about. |
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MadHound
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
35. I'm hoping that this doesn't make it out of California, better yet, |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Sorry about your wife - My friend with MS can't tolerate fluorescents either |
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nolabels
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. This is probably just some stupid ploy by a few in the know |
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MadHound
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Wed Jan-31-07 01:29 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Thank you, but no, I don't want to pay more taxes on my light bulbs, |
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nolabels
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Thu Feb-01-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #40 |
115. I was just putting on the hat of the government, i despise taxes |
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Tesha
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Thu Feb-01-07 07:47 AM Response to Reply #115 |
119. The Jury's out... |
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nolabels
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Thu Feb-01-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Really I am not for or against a whole lot of things |
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Tesha
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Thu Feb-01-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Oh, on motor vehicles the jury's in! :-) |
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nolabels
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Thu Feb-01-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. The slow lumbering of is aspect of the light should be suffiecient........ |
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shanti
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Wed Jan-31-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. i wasn't aware that people had problems with them |
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liberalEd
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. You should be able to get a waiver then... |
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MadHound
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. One would hope there is a waiver, but I've seen this sort of legislation passed |
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liberalEd
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. You ask a tough question |
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MadHound
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:05 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Fluorescents, CFLs, neons, LEDs, all of these effect my wife to a greater or lesser extent |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Excellent post. |
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MadHound
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Sorry to hear that, |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Part of that may be |
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leftyclimber
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #35 |
64. I have a problem with them, too. |
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Red Right and BLUE
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Wed Jan-31-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
82. I'm sure there would be exceptions to such cases... n/t |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. But if everyone else is required to use them |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. You'll probably be able to get them by Internet or mail order |
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slackmaster
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. As a long-time Californian I caution you to not be sure now |
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Mugu
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Wed Jan-31-07 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
44. There are some situations where CFLs just don’t work well. |
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OxQQme
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. LED links |
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Mugu
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. I have two large deep-cycle batteries in the basement |
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Porcupine
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Rough duty, appliance and refrigerator lights just can't be CFL |
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Mugu
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. I can't speak for other applications, |
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Tesha
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. That's been our experience too; CFLs are fine in "rough service" environments. (NT) |
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Solon
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Thu Feb-01-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
135. I understand about the dimmer but not outdoors... |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
55. So if you have lupus....what? Candlelight? |
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Pastiche423
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
83. I have Lupus and a strong sensitivity to light |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. It's not your eyes |
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Pastiche423
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:49 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. If it isn't my eyes |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. If you take anti-malarials |
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Pastiche423
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Thank you very much! |
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eppur_se_muova
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Thu Feb-01-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
129. delete, wrong place |
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Lurking Dem
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Try this site |
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Pastiche423
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Got it! |
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loudsue
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Wed Jan-31-07 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
58. Fluorescent lightbulbs are unhealthy. |
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Harper_is_Bush
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:50 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. The CFL's that they make now are not "depressing".... |
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Red Right and BLUE
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Wed Jan-31-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
81. I can't tell a difference. nt |
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Matariki
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
70. yeah when fluorescent lightbulbs don't suck |
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Harper_is_Bush
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Wed Jan-31-07 07:49 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. You should check them out again, they've come a long way...and they have dimmer models. |
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Matariki
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. and you have to replace the fixtures to use them? |
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Harper_is_Bush
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
106. Not at all. They're just like regular light bulbs. n/t |
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eppur_se_muova
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Thu Feb-01-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
128. Not at all. See post #127 for all shapes and sizes of CFL's. nt |
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Red Right and BLUE
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Wed Jan-31-07 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
79. My apartment complex just came in and changed EVERYONE's |
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Porcupine
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
103. They are saving serious $$$. |
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Clarkie1
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Wed Jan-31-07 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
85. That's a fantastic idea....ban the distribution and sale of the little energy hogs. |
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Reterr
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Wed Jan-31-07 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
93. Recommended.eom |
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William Bloode
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
102. Great idea !!!!! |
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tblue37
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
104. I once read a quote from a scientist who said that |
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tandot
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Wed Jan-31-07 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
107. We don't have any incandescent lightbulbs in the house |
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DarkTirade
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Thu Feb-01-07 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
111. They need to make exceptions for pet owners who need regular light bulbs |
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CitizenRob
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Thu Feb-01-07 03:43 AM Response to Original message |
113. I heard that Boston has 8 Lite Brites California can use... |
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bridgit
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Thu Feb-01-07 03:52 AM Response to Original message |
114. let's do it, i guess we're going to have to show the rest of the country... |
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Jim Sagle
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Thu Feb-01-07 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
118. Crazy man crazy. |
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Hoping4Change
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Thu Feb-01-07 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
123. Dumb idea. Florescent bulbs pose health risks. If incandescents were |
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Harper_is_Bush
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Thu Feb-01-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #123 |
131. Health risks? Hardly |
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eppur_se_muova
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Thu Feb-01-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
130. Some cost/benefit analysis at banthebulb.org |
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