Pastor says armed militia to protect church during Quran-burning event

[phantom power]

Armed militia at a book-burning for anti-muslim jesus freaks. Wow, what could possibly go wrong?
:eyes:

(CNN) -- An armed Christian organization, Right Wing Extreme, will protect a church that is planning to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on September 11, the church's pastor said Tuesday.

The Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and to take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, the nondenominational church invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book.

Dove's Facebook page, set up for the September event, has nearly 6,000 fans. The initiative has also drawn critics.

Dove World Outreach Center Pastor Terry Jones has accepted the support of Right Wing Extreme, which he said offered to come to the church with between 500 and 2,000 men on September 11. He described the organization as an armed civilian militia group.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/24/florida.burn.quran.day/

[steve2470]

1. look for violence...

I'm not wishing for it. I'm not advocating it. However, you burn the Quran and you WILL get some very angry Muslims. You burn the "Holy Bible" and you WILL get some very angry Christians.

[Taverner]

2. Aye there...

Again, it would be nice if we could just limit the fighting to the crazies

[polmaven]

15. Look at the links

to other stories at the bottom of the page. There are more than angry Muslims. There are some angry Christians and others who will lead a protest on the day before this horrendous "event" is planned.

[JoePhilly]

39. The goal of burning the book (any book) is to incite violence.

They want a fight.

I'd suggest that mocking them in every outlet available would be far more effective ...

Nazi = book burning ...

And, do not confront them in public settings (other than simple signs) ... again they WANT a fight.

So better to MOCK them ... TEASE them in alternative forums AFTER this silly event. When this stunt had zero effect ... point that out.

Do not engage these nut head on .. that is what they want ... flank them. Marginalize them as crazy fringe.

And ... as always with these nuts ... watch your back.

[blm]

3. NO ONE should show up to protest...let the fire department shut them down and let corporanewsmedia

show up for a shitstorm that didn't happen.

[arcane1]

4. I know they are hoping a few "muslins" show up to counter-protest

But even before this militia news, I've been hoping that NOBODY shows up to counter-protest.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. People should take photographs.

There was a reason why the KKK hid behind hoods.

Take all of their pictures and publish them.

[11 Bravo]

6. Who would Jesus shoot?

I'm a Christian, and these assholes disgust me.

[RC]

7. Where is their faith in their God?

Of course if they really believed in their God, they would not be doing this.

Why do so many Christians not believe in Jesus Christ?

[RKP5637]

16. Many make up things as they go along as it suits their needs. IMO many so called

christian groups are hate groups masquerading under the veil of being christians. I'm not a religious person, so I might be biased, but I don't think so. I remember watching crosses burning in the 60's, for example, and I could only think WTF, and I still say the same, WTF. The hatred belched out by some of these groups in the name of god and jesus is amazing. I decided a very long time ago religion was just another form of politics, power and control, and greed. I still think the same.

[demigoddess]

27. they just do not believe in a

long haired radical socialist jew. Even if he is the Son of God, the Savior, the Christ and their loving Messiah. I can't call them Christians.

[NoPasaran]

8. Can't they just chill and burn Beatles records instead?

:shrug:

[pinboy3niner]

22. Yeah--they were worse than Muslins

Those goddamn Hippie Commie Longhairs thought they were BETTER THAN JESUS! Imagine! Oh, er, wait--strike that last word. :)

[Initech]

24. They live in the 1800's. The 1960's hasn't yet occurred to them.

[ladjf]

34. They could download a copy of the Koran and then ceremoniously

delete it the downloaded file. nt

[backwoodsbob]

45. or they could rent Jacobs Field in Cleveland

and burn disco albums while holding a 25 cent beer night.That event turned out so well

[louis-t]

9. My hope is that the militia show up in full camo and

shoot each other in the legs.

[gratuitous]

13. If it wasn't for the personal physical risk involved

I'd say it would be a hoot to toss a lit firecracker into the midst of these no doubt trigger-happy nincompoops. But the likelihood of their hitting an innocent bystander makes that prohibitively foolhardy.

[hobbit709]

17. I'm hoping they'll aim a little higher

right about crotch level.

[Ruby the Liberal]

10. No, they have 6,000 people following the event.

It would be hard to believe 6,000 people approve of this. Probably watchdog groups, the media and general onlookers watching out for the crazee to launch full force.

[walldude]

11. Too fucking stupid to read books so they have to burn them..

Pathetic.

[blue sky at night]

12. Thom Hartman had this guy on....

what a total idiot, if he is a Christian then they are in deep shit. The idea of arming people to protect others that are doing Satan's work somehow doesn't sound just right. He didn't hear one word that Thom said, just kept repeating his hate speech over and over and over. Hitler...does that name ring a bell here?

[denverbill]

14. Someone should throw a fake Koran loaded with firecrackers into that fire.n/t

[Steely_Dan]

18. Do These People Realize....

...that their actions are being watched around the world. They are furthering the radical muslim belief that we are an intolerant and evil country. Worse yet...this kind of activity proves to them that our "wars" were religious wars...Christians vs. Muslims. Aren't they thinking?

[RKP5637]

20. Yep, they are playing right into feeding material for hate filled propaganda against

the US. I've always said, and still maintain, this country has more to fear from crap like this from within than from outside.

[changed4thebetter]

26. So...you are saying that Muslims

can't handle freedom of speech? Burning a book is legitimate reason for them to hate Americans? Hmmm...very enlightened.

[jberryhill]

32. All billion of them? No

But it will be used for propaganda purposes as if this behavior is typical of Americans.

[uppityperson]

46. Some will use it negatively. As some disruptors use their banning to complain about DU's non freedom

of speech being wrong.

[Hugabear]

47. Where did the poster say that?

The poster never said anything of the sort. The poster merely was pointing out that such an act is seen as very incendiary in various parts of the world, which is 100% correct.

[uppityperson]

48. check out this link. Some will find this VERY offensive and take the offense that is meant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4520049&mesg_id=4520049

[BlueIdaho]

19. Using force to break the law... how very christian of them.

So they were denied a burn permit and now they will knowingly violate the law while threatening to shoot people.

So that's what Jesus' message was all about... Might makes right.

[malaise]

21. What could go right is that they open fire

on each other.

[one_voice]

23. This kind of thing...

doesn't usually end well. Talk about inviting trouble. :eyes:

[changed4thebetter]

29. Freedom of speech is trouble?

That's very interesting. You know, I've heard that in some countries they actually pull christians out of their vehicles and shoot them right there on the side of the road - just for being christians. Do you think that invites trouble?

[one_voice]

31. No...

freedom of speech is wonderful. It's the way in which they're executing this particular exercise that I think is stupid.

And by the way, I also have freedom of speech and am free to say I think they're being stupid.

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[Quantess]

38. No, but an armed christian militia is trouble.

That's just my humble opinion, of course.

[Caliman73]

44. Freedom of speech can be problematic yes...

When that freedom of speech is used to propagate hatred and intentionally provoke, mock, and incite others it is problematic. Should it be curtailed? No. Should it be criticized? Yes. Besides, the group applied for a permit to burn and that permit was denied by the local authorities. The group will be in violation of local ordinances by continuing with their event. As I said before, they can piss on the Qur'an if they choose, which would still be stupid and hateful, but within the law.

Criticizing stupid behavior is not against the freedom of speech it is simply criticizing stupid behavior. I support the right of these people to act like ignorant bigots. I disagree with them and think they are an embarrassment. The main issue is that the county does not support their planned event, yet they are planning to do it anyway with armed people to protect it.

[sfwriter]

25. I heard the real terrorists were going to show up to burn books....

Maybe they will be disguised as militia...

I hear they will be wearing crosses or American flags to fool you.

I hear some of them will be driving pickup trucks and wearing cammo.

Good luck.

[pinboy3niner]

28. UPDATE: Looks like the militia has had second thoughts and pulled out

I just posted this in GD:

Militia Group Cancels Support for Koran-Burning ("un-Christian")
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9015723

[indy legend]

41. If only their fathers had pulled out we'd have a few less fundy wackos

[Ted_White]

30. In their defense, they have received threats. There are some radical

Muslims out there. It was just recently that some of them even issued violent threats to South Park for depicting Mohamed.

[ladjf]

33. ChristoTheater. Nothing but a disingenuous, bad joke.

I doubt that any angry Muslim will appear at the "burning". However, if Korans are actually destroyed in the act of politically motivated , calculated desecration, there could be some bad consequences for the Pastor.

[dimbear]

35. Unless they are stealing the Korans, burning them just

profits the publisher and encourages printing more of them. Or is that too complicated?

[ladjf]

40. Except that the act of publicly desecrating the Koran is an

ultimate insult to most Muslims just as the same act done to a Bible would enrage Christians.
The preacher knows that his congregation approves of the act while Muslims are not able to stop him.

My point about downloading a file copy of the Koran and then public ally deleting the copy was to show that basically, burning a book is spiritually equal to deleting a digital copy of the same document therefore rendering the old practice of "book burning" is now totally meaningless. Whatever value the texts of the Korans and Bible may have, does not depend on the type of physical presentation, i.e. book or e-file.

To me, the preacher's attempts to get the support of his unenlightened followers by a totally obsolete act would be funny if it weren't for the fact that his motives are very evil.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. If it looks like a NAZI event

it quacks like a NAZI event... IT IS a NAZI event... and now it will include some storm troopers. COOL!

This is why times are gettin damn scary...

[indy legend]

42. Can't you just feel the love of Jesus from these ass clowns?

[mike r]

43. Will they be burning books inside or outside the 'church'?