Keith covering the story on Ambridge and the knifing

[nadinbrzezinski]

and from what the reporter said... I am almost betting PTSD...

The war is coming home folks!

Ed for clarity...

[HipChick]

1. or drunk..

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. How do you think some (more than just some)vets

deal with it?

[pinboy3niner]

5. Yes, but he's not a vet

He reportedly spent 6 wks. in Afghanistan as a civilian shooting a doc about a HS friend and other troops serving there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. PTSD don't just happen to military personnel

but you knew that.

The reaction is a classic. Seen it, by the way.

Now if he gets a good lawyer that should be part of the defense.

That don't mean he should walk either.

Let me add, after a proper trial and conviction, after all he is innocent until proven... guilty.

[pinboy3niner]

18. Yes, we see eye-to-eye on our understanding of PTSD

It's possible that he was affected, but to make that claim his defense will have to document exposure to traumatic war experience. About that, we have no information as yet. This case is very strange...

:hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. That it is

why I said if he has a GOOD lawyer, they WILL go there. I can smell it.

[HipChick]

9. No pass from me either..

I don't think there are enough facts out on the story yet to claim that..but fear of the loss of white privilege? maybe

[pinboy3niner]

30. It's premature to go there when we have so little information

It doesn't preclude the possibility...or other possibilities. We just don't know jack yet.

[malaise]

13. Ask Michael Ware what happened to him

You don't have to be a vet.

[HipChick]

15. Some people are not equipped to be out of their comfort zones..

I deal with civilians,vets and active military all the time...this guy still sounds like a jerk..

[pinboy3niner]

24. I understand that, malaise

In fact, I've argued before for understanding about PTSD among survivors of rape, accidents, natural disasters and other traumas.

I simply hesitate to leap to that conclusion in a case where we have so little information. Even his brief time in Afghanistan doesn't preclude the posibility of PTSD, but we don't have any facts yet to point in that direction.

:hi:

[malaise]

25. That's a reasonable position

:hi:

[HipChick]

8. I don't think...I work with vets all day long

some just came back from 3rd or 4th deployments..this guy sounds like a hate filled jerk..

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Okie dokie so PTSD cannot happen to civilians

ok... tell that to the victims of Katrina. Which happens to be a known group.

I guess ONLY to military personnel who have been on multiple deployments... so hubby don't since he did not do multiple deployments either. Got it.

There are days.

Now this guy could be hate filled, but it also could be PTSD... but you are right, if you are not a vet it cannot be. Okie dokie... and the cows are not going to come home to roost either.

Got it.

And no I am not trying to defend him... but having seen a soldier drive his hand through a window after coming back from Gulf War one... sent home after a certain SCUD attack... I've seen it.

[HipChick]

21. Read my post again...not enough for me to jump to conclusions about PTSD, maybe for you..

It will apparently take someone getting murdered before people start acknowledging that fox news,and the RW spew machine has blood on their hands today. They stoke racial tensions and then someone gets stabbed because of it and they pretend like they had nothing to do with it...

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. They have blood in their hands

but read what I said. PTSD is clearly a possibility... but that is ok. Even suggesting that is crazy for some folks. Realize that PTSD can also be triggered by language like that transmuted by FOX. No, not the syndrome itself, but the repetitive thoughts that go with it.

Oh and people have ALREADY died, or did you forget Dr. Tiller and the Holocaust Museum Guards? And those are just the top of my head.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Again there is a reason why alcohol abuse

is much higher among vets.

War is coming home...

[daleanime]

7. I've heard it said...

that people who go to war never really leave it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Nope, and don't matter if you are a civilian

like my dad... he was 14 when WW II started. He still lives with it... he is 86... or an actual soldier.

Oh he was in Poland by the way.

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[uppityperson]

14. ""war" didn't come home after WW1, WW2, Korean. "? Good grief. It sure as hell did.

It was called battle fatigue, shell shock, and yes, "war" came home after each of those wars.

[newspeak]

32. my uncle came home from WWII after fighting the Nazis

he was captured twice and escaped--he had PTSD--held my grandmother and grandfather by gun point. Would creep around the house at night guarding against Nazis. So, WWII, I guess they pretended no one was affected or thought that mental issues were shaming.:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. You sure of that?

Now let me start laughing.

By the way what the fuck do you think Shell Shock was? An early name for PTSD... like WW I early.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Why do you think he drank?

I could recommend some literature on the subject.

And nobody is talking about whether we should have fought a war or not. Realize that every war releases horrors and those that witness them are affected by them.

A common coping mechanism is the bottle.

[daleanime]

29. It's too bad that todays vets....

will never have that saving grace, these wars were only about oil and money.

[pinboy3niner]

31. Ah, but most vets won't see it that way, so they'll have their saving grace

Even those who'd agree with that assessment are likely to be conflicted.

[H2O Man]

20. silly

[pinboy3niner]

27. I hate it when someone posts, "You need to educate yourself"...

...but this is one case in which it truly applies. PTSD didn't magically appear in VN vets. It was only recognized in those terms (years after the war, I might add), but it had occurred among vets and others exposed to war trauma in EVERY war, often identified by other terms, as other posters have noted.

You have a point about the effects of alcohol, but you would have done well to make it and stop there. As to PTSD--you REALLY need to educate yourself.

[malaise]

12. That was my first throught

I love Donna Marsh O'Conner - she rocks. Her discussion of political opportunism left me in tears.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. Me too

Time to take 9.11 away from the damn opportunists.

[OneGrassRoot]

33. The 9/11 mom speaking now....

I hope someone is taping it and this excerpt gets posted.

She's brilliant, so well-spoken. I'm going to quote her everywhere I can when I get the transcript tomorrow.

Donna Marsh O-Connor is her name.

:applause:

[OneGrassRoot]

34. I forgot I was watching the 10:00 replay...here is the video clip

for those interested. :hi:

http://www.ahbbs.net/play/kscMwrTRwmk.htm