CIA says Irish Americans were terror agents in new Wilkileaks document

[NNN0LHI]

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Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2010 at 04:39 AM

The CIA uses Irish Americans as examples of "exporter of terrorism.” because of support for the IRA in a new classified document released by Wikileaks.

In the latest Wikileaks document released yesterday a classified CIA document referred to as a "red cell" document is displayed.

It discusses what the impact would be if other countries began to view Americans as part of the terrorism problem rather than helping with the solution.

The document is entitled " What If Foreigners See the United States as an “Exporter of Terrorism”?

It says some Irish Americans were definitely part of this scenario and replays Irish American history.

[Warpy]

1. Oh, FFS.

Everybody knew what that Noraid jar on the bar in the pubs was being used for in the 70s and 80s and most of us didn't contribute, thanks very much.

That's the only export of terror I ever saw. It's not like Americans were flocking to Ulster to be part of the uprising.

[H2O Man]

2. Those who supported

efforts to remove the British rule from the Old Sod weren't supporting terrorism.

[sabrina 1]

4. Exactly, thank you! Ireland was very grateful for the humanitarian

help it received from the U.S. And still is. The Brits got the U.S. under Republican rule to view the struggle for freedom for the people of the North of Ireland as terror. But Clinton changed that, inviting top freedom fighters turned politicians, Jerry Adams eg, banned under Bush Sr., to talks about peace. Those steps helped in the final resolution of the problems.

The CIA are considered terrorists in many parts of the world. The old saying is true, that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. The Brits though all Irish people were terrorists, especially after they stole their land.

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. I lived that, I was terrified, the IRA were terrorists

The UDA were also terrorists in response. Neither side has the high ground, but it is revisionist history to claim that the Irish were struggling for freedom and ignoring the fact that the money sent there was used to buy bombs and guns which were used to terrorize and kill men, women and particularly children, the IRA's target of choice in the UK.

The IRA terrorized me and all my country, and Scotland had nothing to do with the Ulster bullshit. Everyone I know was of the opinion that the people in Northern Ireland who don't want to be "Irish" or live in a sovereign Ireland should come to the UK main island and leave the Irish to their own devices.

I hold the same opinion today. Northern Ireland has nothing to offer the mainland. The UK forces were there to keep the peace (lol) and to try to protect people who were and are British Citizens, worthy of protection by anyone's measure of a country's duties. If only the British people in Northern Ireland would come home, the "troubles" would be gone and the Irish could have sovereignty just like the Isle of Man has to this day.

[sabrina 1]

13. Speaking of revisionist history.

When a country is stolen, as Ireland was, the people will not accept it ever, until it is returned to its rightful owners. Especially when the native people are treated as if they were garbage as the Native Irish people were in Northern Ireland. I know many, many people who lived there then and now, and know that if it was not for the IRA throughout history, there would be no Republic of Ireland today. You The UDA was NOT responding, they were the occupiers. I love how Empires whine there is blowback to their crimes.

I also know many British soldiers who did not agree with what was going on there. Injustice breeds freedom fighters/terrorists or whatever you want to call them. And any nation that chooses to go around the world, as the bloody and brutal British Empire did and the U.S. is doing today, should refrain from complaining when the people they invade do not welcome them with open arms.

[Dhalgren]

6. I agree. This use of the term "terrorism" as imparting a criminal

and negative connotation on every form of resistance and freedom fighting is disgusting and is part of the general, universal group-speak being foisted onto otherwise thinking people.

[myrna minx]

7. Thank you. n/t

[davepc]

3. Here's the whole section that talks about the IRA from the wikileaks memo

• Some Irish-Americans have long provided financial and material support for violent
efforts to compel the United Kingdom to relinquish control of Northern Ireland. In the
1880s, Irish-American members of Clan na Gael dynamited Britain’s Scotland Yard,
Parliament, and the Tower of London, and detonated bombs at several stations in
the London underground.In the twentieth century, Irish-Americans provided most of
the financial support sent to the Irish Republican Army (IRA). The US-based Irish
Northern Aid Committee (NORAID), founded in the late 1960s, provided the
Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) with money that was frequently used for
arms purchases. Only after repeated high-level British requests and then London’s
support for our bombing of Libya in the 1980s did the US Government crack down on
Irish-American support for the IRA. (S//NF)

[sabrina 1]

5. Did they include a list of the atrocities over centuries

committed by the British against the Irish people, or did they even mention that in 1880 the Brits were still in possession of a country that did not belong to them?

The CIA needs to stay our of other people's business. They seem a bit biased, not to mention ignorant of the facts of some of the world's conflicts.

[davepc]

11. It was a 3 page memo and all of that stuff is outside of its scope. So no it didn't.

The paper was not a history of the troubles.

[AngryAmish]

8. I went to a lot of Noraid and the like events when I was a kid

Concerts, festivals, etc.

Heard "The Men Behind the Wire" a lot.

There was a lot of support for the IRA from our area. For example, there was this undertaker who was a friend of my folks. Many people went back to Ireland to be buried after they died around here. You can put a lot of stuff in a coffin.

edited because I spelled Noraid as norad. I'm stupid.

[KoKo]

9. Freedom for Ireland is considered supporting terrorist groups...like our American Revolution...

????

[AngryAmish]

10. This is why I don't go to certain Irish-American events anymore

Perfect.

[sabrina 1]

14. Freedom for other countries is not considered freedom when

it comes to Empires. It is considered interfering with the Empire's right to steal other people's resources.

The British Empire finally lost its Empire but it has now attached itself to the U.S. Empire. Old habits die hard, which is why Tony Blair finds it so 'normal' to invade and occupy other countries.