Ah my, I have never heard in my lifetime a business man

[nadinbrzezinski]

use extreme language.

Paraphrasing Rendel on the Ed Show.

Folks this is the problem, people did use extreme language back in the early years of FDR... hell they even planned a coup. But since we don't know our own history, it is repeating itself. And to tell the truth Obama is center right, by ANY objective measure... if we actually got an actual lefty elected... ooohh boy!

But this is exactly the problem in all it's glory. Americans DO NOT know their history and it damn fucking shows!

[hobbit709]

1. They know little of their own and even less of the rest of the world's history

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. I'd be happy if people remembered what happened

in their own lifetime... at this point, as in this decade to be honest.

[RandomThoughts]

3. Do you mean.

Americans do not know their own history, or the history of America?

Personally I think on my own history often, but know the 'history of America' depends whos view you read.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. The history of this country

and as a professional historian working on labor history (talk about things we rather not talk about these days) I am painfully aware of how POV changes even the same event, and how to look at it.

But tell me, how many Americans do you know, even people with PhDs in history, who know of that attempted coup and Smedley Butlter?

Of course they should have been tried... but back then they walked... and their kids and grand kids are finishing the job as it were.

[RandomThoughts]

8. Very few Americans know about Ludlow

Or the use of the Pinkertons, to break strikes also.

yea, they live for something else that is not part of the individual, as they think they support individuality. That is ironic.


There is a 'thought' that it is all about making some outcome over many generations, that comes from a 'thing' that does not care about the effect to any individual.

it is part of generational proof of generational concepts being unjust, or individual not existing.

I think ancestors that do good are to be honored and remembered in better action, not thought to define a different generation. There are some delusions on those concepts.

[Gabi Hayes]

9. Howard Zinn on the Ludlow Massacre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6kuvBnNNUs

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. There you go, but the point I was making

is that we have had way too many elite members walk when the rest of us would have books thrown at us... and the lesson is, you can get away with it as long as you got connections. Pretty self fulfilling actually.

Now what Americans know is the myth, not the reality.

[RandomThoughts]

11. They don't get away with it, that is the saddest part.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. So let me ask you

did the bush family (Prescott was part of that plan) go into obscurity? How about Ford?

I'd like to read that history myself

:-)

[RandomThoughts]

13. Have you seen this movie?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3624585/cube_movie_trailer/


I was going to write a story, it is along the lines of 'its a cookbook' doctrine, athought it is a bit despair based, since I don't believe in that doctrine, it has a good TZ twist to it.


A guy is recruited into a group, all he has to do is help contain and set up many average people to be treated as food for some special alien race. the guy agrees, and helps set people into their chambers, some for milking neurotransmitters from joy, some from hormones of various ideas, some just for blood stuff like that, or fluids from muscle activity.

His job is to put them back to sleep if they start to wake up to escape, he does it many times, and keeps people in the machines that treat them like cattle for extravagant appetites of a few 'things'.

In the episode he is always agreeing with and doing what he is told to keep them imprisoned, even though he knows they do not age, and it is forever.

In the episode he gets good treatment and some luxuries himself. When he gets older since he actually does age being outside the containment, he asked to enter that system to retire in some assumed great place.

It is then explained to him all the things he did, and the lack of respect the 'things' have for him for cowardly allowing someone to use people that are just like him, because he thinks he is special.

So he asks what will happen.

They explain that he will be taken to a different section, a door he saw people go into through the episode and always wondered about.

He asks what kind of room is that.

He is told, that since he is such a spineless coward, the best place for him is the room where they get the hormones from fear and terror of coarse.

Do you think that would make a good Outer Limits story :)


Note, not my view of existence, just a story.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Yes it would outer limits or twilight zone

[handmade34]

4. +1

""Americans DO NOT know their history and it damn fucking shows""

as a former Social Studies teacher... it makes me ill to see how ignorant we are

[mrmpa]

6. I can't agree with you more

I'm a history teacher. A few weeks ago I attended a friends' wedding. Sitting at my table were conservatives (I don't know how this happened). A couple were very angry that every state has 2 senators, since our state PA, has more people than Montana, they stated we should have more senators representing us, the people. If they knew history and government, they would understand the concept that those in the house of representatives, represent us the people and senators represent the interests of the state. Senator Byrd (God rest his soul) knew his role perfectly. Just look at the federal programs and jobs he brought to Pennsylvania.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Just for people like that now I carry a copy of the Constitution

[onethatcares]

14. did you leave out an emoticon by chance?

or did your table guests think Senator Byrd was a Pennsylvanian?

[mrmpa]

18. My bad

Not thinking while I was typing-WV of course, not PA.

[scheming daemons]

16. Obama's not center-right, not by any objective measure

If 1 is extreme left and 10 is extreme right, Obama's a 4.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Yes he is... but of course I am using a standard Poli sci

chart... which is FAR BROADER than the one in the US... the farthest loonies in the US, see Kucinich and Sanders, would be center left in any other country. Sanders is a Social Democrat, again CENTER LEFT. In the US he is far left? That should tell you something.

Oh and I don't expect you to get this or why either.

I recommend people do pick up standard political science though.

By the way Americans trend center left as a population, but they mostly don't know that either.