I knew they were going to freak out when we got our first black president...

[Joanne98]

But I had no idea they would have psychotic breaks from reality!

I never saw it coming. They're all NUTS!

Crazy people can't be allowed to take control of Congress. Our forefathers said so!

George Washington said "NO NUTJOBS ALLOWED"

We need to hit the ground running. For the sake of our children and grandchildren, so they won't have to live in the FUNNY FARM STATES OF AMERICA!

GOTV starts now!

[HopeHoops]

1. They think our "forefathers" included Ronald Reagan.

[Joanne98]

3. And Pat Robertson.

[Dawson Leery]

7. John Wayne and Roy Acuff too.

[Joanne98]

10. Don't forget Moses

:hi:

[Sheltiemama]

27. I think you mean Roy Rogers.

[handmade34]

2. time to act

they are all nuts!

[DCKit]

5. Time to dust off our white coats and butterfly nets? n/t

[Dawson Leery]

4. K AND R!

GOTV has already started in our house!

[NNN0LHI]

6. NO NUTJOBS ALLOWED!! Its in the Constitution

I read it.

Don

[GoCubsGo]

8. Honestly, I thought it would be worse.

But then, I live in South Carolina. I have been surrounded by these lunatics for more than 20 years.

[Lint Head]

13. Sorry for you. I was born and raised there and moved away because

of the bigots and racists that are running that state.

Demint is a piece of excrement.

[GoCubsGo]

22. I'm sorry for me, too.

Been trying to escape this hellhole for years. No such luck.

You insult excrement by comparing it to DeMint. Excrement can be used for fertilizer. DeMint is a complete waste of carbon. ;-)

[Taitertots]

9. Keep pushing the race card

As opposed to addressing their alleged grievances. You are doing nothing but helping them.

After all it is not like they did the exact same thing when Clinton was in office. Oh wait, they did.

[MadMaddie]

11. Who is pushing the race card?

Why not speak the truth?

One of the people that CNN interviewed said the following, "for a year in a half "our kind" have been ignored"! What do you think she is talking about? "Our kind" refers to whites in AMerica being ignored by a black President.

Many can pretend race has nothing to do with what is going on in this country right now but the reality is that it does.

Is that the only issue no but it is a compilation of issues, yes they investigated Clinton until they found something. If they get back in power they have already said they will start investigations for the next two years, which means absolutely no policy will get implemented.

To ignore that race is a part of the bigger picture of what's going on is naive. I will tell you I am glad that it is out in the open so all Americans understand that there is an element in this country that has no problem making this a religious country perhaps even follow Sharia type law.

[Taitertots]

14. The author of the OP

""Our kind" refers to whites in AMerica being ignored by a black President."
And you.

[MadMaddie]

15. What about me?

I am African American, I have experienced racism first hand but I don't dwell on it. I accept it for what it is, ignorance. Racism can come from blacks as well as whites. When Junior was in office I didn't say I hated him because he was white, I hated him because he was destroying this country and the middle class.

Again, in order to fix something one has to acknowledge it exists.

[Taitertots]

16. What does being African American have to do with it?

"Again, in order to fix something one has to acknowledge it exists."
In order to fix the tea baggers we need to acknowledge that they have an ideological grievance with the democratic party platform. Playing the race card instead of addressing their actual concerns is doing worse than nothing.

"When Junior was in office I didn't say I hated him because he was white, I hated him because he was destroying this country and the middle class."
Why would you do that exact same thing to people with alleged grievances with Obama?

Even if many of them are racist, consider the large percentage that are not. All you are going to do by falsely accusing them of racism is reinforce their ideology and galvanize their resistance. Isn't it exactly what your response would be if republicans called you racist for opposing Bush Jr?

[NNN0LHI]

20. Why didn't the teabaggers say anything while Bush was destroying this country and the middle class?

They voted for the goof twice and took us right down the tubes.

Now they have an ideological grievance with the Democratic party?

Fuck their ideological grievance with the Democratic party now and fuck their defenders too.

And it is Democratic party not democratic party.

Don

[Taitertots]

21. Because they are misinformed and misguided

"Fuck their ideological grievance"
I'd rather address their ideological grievances and use rational discourse to correct their misguided thinking. Throwing a tantrum like a child is going to do worse than nothing.

I'm sure if you were wrong the best way to correct it would to say "Fuck your grievances, you are a racist".

"And it is Democratic party not democratic party."
Whatever

[Cha]

26. No, it's because they are fucking racists that are

fueled by fauxsn00ze, limpbaugh, and glen beck. All based on lies.

[Taitertots]

30. They are fueled by lies from Faux, Limbaugh, and Beck

Why don't you address the actual lies they are telling? Instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming racist, racist, fucking racist.

[luvspeas]

36. I agree, but it is their inherent racism that makes them want to believe....n/t

[w8liftinglady]

42. I agree with you,and have a ton of local press to back it up...here in the middle of KKK county

[political_Dem]

47. +1000000 applause to you and Mad Maddie for putting it out there.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

35. Because they're Republicans?

Don't buy the teabag "rebrand" bullshit. These people never care about politics and what the government is doing until they aren't in charge. Obama's race does amplify it, but we all saw this bullshit in '94 too.

[MadMaddie]

24. Their actual concerns existed when Junior was President

and they didn't have a damn thing to say about them.

Nice try, President Obama didn't ignore threats that OBL was going to hit this country.

Falsly accuse them of racism? So the good Germans that stood by and said nothing while the Nazi's took over were they considered hero's?

By the very nature of what America is we are supposed to speak out against what is wrong.

Falsly accusing them of racism? When I see people at rally's (not today) waving signs with Obama looking like a monkey, or bones in his nose, or watermelons on the lawn of the WH I am not going to turn my head and act like it isn't racism. Just as I wouldn't turn my head when some ass uses a derogitory comment towards me.

When a movement has KKK and other similar groups participating at their local teabag rally's yea, I think racism has a lot to do with it.

One other thing if their rally was so inclusive where were the minorities? So they picked a few to sing at the end there but where were they in the crowd?

Not sure why you are defending them and their behavior but if that's your gig go for it.

[Taitertots]

29. I didn't say they were right, but they do have grievances

Why don't you try explaining those things to a tea bagger, instead of someone already aware of them? Address their misconceptions. Playing the race card is going to do less than nothing.

"waving signs with Obama looking like a monkey"
Were the pictures of Bush looking like a chimp racist? People calling him chimpy, etc. It was just as stupid and childish when we did it, but it didn't mean we didn't have grievances with the Bush administration. The only difference is that our grievances were real and could be supported with facts and logical reasoning.


"Not sure why you are defending them and their behavior but if that's your gig go for it."
I'd prefer to do something that actually stands a chance of making positive progress. Sticking your fingers in your ears and crying racist, racist, racist, is going to do less than nothing. Addressing the alleged problems is the only way we have any chance of making positive gains.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

32. Colossal Fail.

I bet you're one of those people that doesn't understand why it's bad to use the N word when rap stars do it all the time.

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[SemiCharmedQuark]

46. Even for someone still reliving the primaries, giving the teabaggers any credibility at all is sad

Pathetic, really.

You can't see why calling a black man a monkey is different than calling a white man a monkey? I refuse to believe anyone is really that ignorant.

[The Magistrate]

38. Their Only Grievance, Sir, Is That A Black Man Is President

Everything else is just window-dressing for this fact, and stems solely from the lack of personal honesty endemic to racists nowadays.

[Arkana]

49. They're racists and we're calling them out for being racists.

Spin until you're dizzy, but what you're doing is defending racists. Good job.

[AspenRose]

18. "Pushing the race card" = Calling racism and racists, racist.

There's a reason why that one is on my ignore.

[Saphire]

34. I saw the "our kind" comment as well...of course she meant "white people"

because only "they" can be so patriotic and love their country and make silly hats from the American flag.

There are a thousand diffrent ways to say it, but it all comes down to the scary black man in "their" White House.

[firedupdem]

25. Why don't you tell us what their grievances are. Whenever they

are asked, they aren't able to articulate any. You can shove your "keep pushing the race card" comment you know where. I know racism when I see it or hear it! After all, beck decided the president was a racist and had a problem with white people, so maybe he is "pushing the race card." This group was formed because these nuts couldn't stomach having a black president. The man wasn't in office five minutes before fox mobilized them. Fuck them all to hell.

And they did not do the same thing when Clinton was in office. Where was the tea party and when were people bringing guns to places where Clinton was speaking?

[Taitertots]

28. They did even worse when Clinton was in office

Someone shot at the White House. Someone tried to fly a plane into the White House. Oklahoma city terrorist attack. Are you seriously that forgetful?

Beck certainly is playing the race card by claiming Obama is racist. It is stupid when he does it, and stupid when people on our side do it.

Their grievances are wrong, which is why rational discourse is needed. The last thing we need is childish name calling (you are a racist, etc.) and refusal to accept and reply to what they allege to be problems with Obama.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

31. Yeah, I remember when they said Clinton was a secret Kenyan Muslim terrorist

Oh wait...

Well how about when they portrayed Clinton as a watermelon, fried chicken eating stereotype? No? A voodoo witch doctor?

"Race card" is a term people use to shut minorities up when they are pointing out the truth.

[Taitertots]

33. Someone shot at the White House while Clinton was in office

Someone tried to run a small plane into the White House when Clinton was in office.

But, but, they are making fun of Obama. Is if people didn't viciously mock Clinton. Did you forget the 90's already?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

39. Shouting "KILL HIM" at rallies is not "making fun" of someone.

[Taitertots]

43. Compared to actually trying to kill him, which happened to Clinton more than once n/t

[Arkana]

50. Let me explain something to you.

When prominent public figures such as Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck and even elected officials like Michele Bachmann are not-so-subtly advocating armed insurrection for no other reason than Obama's black, that's racism.

When those same people are giving weight and credence to the patently absurd notion that the duly-elected President of the United States was not born in this country for no other reason than the fact that his predecessors were all white and he is not, that's racism.

When they wave signs depicting the African-American President of the United States as a monkey and a witch doctor, THAT IS FUCKING RACISM.

Please try to ram this into your obviously thick skull.

[Cha]

51. Thanks for taking the time

to explain to the thick one.

[SoxFan]

52. !!!

:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

[Generic Brad]

37. I remember Clinton actually being called "The first black president"

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

41. They accused his wife of murdering a man and dumping his body in a park

Listen, these fuckers are unhinged over Obama, but don't downplay the shit they pulled with Clinton. It was disgraceful as it is now, and it was why they were actually allowed to attempt a coup at the end of his term. When THEY are not in charge, they go crazy. They will do everything that they did to Clinton to Obama and then they will do it to whomever the next Democratic president is.

[SeattleGirl]

45. Saying that people are racist when they have made racist comments

and/or carry racist signs is not "pushing the race card."

It's pointing out the truth of the matter.

You say we should address their grievances. Well, if you'd open your eyes, you see that their biggest grievance -- that a black man is President -- IS being addressed by many people responding you you in this thread.

That you choose to ignore or minimize it says more about you than about anybody else.

[Lint Head]

12. So right you are! The racists have come out of the woodwork and they don't

even realize it. Some people are so ignorant they do not realized they are racists or bigots.

Jesus said a wise thing. Many will come in my name and many will be deceived.
You are looking at the many that are deceived on C-Span.

C-Span and CNN are showcasing theocratic corporate fascism. The corporations own us and we are doing nothing about it.
I'm ready to join anybody that wants to end this attempted theocratic corporate fascist takeover of our government.

TBN is a tax exempt propaganda network for theocratic corporate fascism. Fucs Snooze is a tax paying 'corporate' propaganda network for theocratic corporate fascism. I think the Anti-Trust Act should break up their affiliation. This is a John Birch Society, Libertarian, Militia, conservative corporation, Anti Choice conspiracy to take over the US Government.


Xe

[AspenRose]

17. "I never saw it coming"

Plenty of democrats (including black democrats) gave warning.

Plenty ignored it, or accused black democrats of being "hypersensitive" or "playing a race card."

Plenty of us knew it was coming.

[EFerrari]

19. They're crazy like foxes.

Co-opting the conversation is an old, old game. Co-opting the narratives of the black community in this country is what the enemies of our democracy always do. Just go there where it's happening and you'll find them.

edited for grammar

[david13]

23. I really didn't think it would be this bad, tho'. It is as tho' mass

hysteria, insanity has gripped a large part of the population. I didn't think it would be this ugly, but I have never had any pride in america. I have always known this country has a lot of ugly aspects to it.
dc

[Imajika]

44. The core of the rightwing hated Clinton just as much...

...there was a whole anti-Clinton industry. How soon people seem to forget.

The only difference now is the economy is terrible and in this environment more and more people will tend to lash out and blame someone. It is easier for them to recruit. Obama is the President and Democrats control the House and Senate - so over time Democrats get the blame for nearly everything.

And yes, they have grievances, and yes, they had many of those grievances when Bush was in power. Why do you think the Republican brand name is such garbage? It isn't just Democrats and most Indies who hate the Republican Party, it is a lot of right wingers/conservatives in general that hate it too. The GOP brand is so bad it polls worse than the Democratic Party while we are in charge during a serious economic downturn - yet Republicans are mostly tied or lead on the generic ballot. What does that tell you?

Republicans had the same dilemma many people on the left do now and that is such an obvious fact I have to wonder if many people here are being willfully blind to it. They fought their own President (Bush) very hard on things like Immigration, Harriet Miers, etc. Much of the time though, they were kinda stuck. They had a President who was not near enough conservative for them, but they feared Democrats more - so their caucus and base were hopelessly split. Sound familiar? Same thing happens to us.

It isn't all about racism. Are many of them racists? Sure, but that probably does not account for most of the opposition to Obama. At least in modern times, they've clearly proven they will do the same thing during any Democratic presidency. You seriously think Republicans would be less viscous to Hillary? Kerry? Seriously? They spent 8 years tearing away in the most nasty, awful ways at Hillary Clinton. They hated her with a passion. And Kerry? Remember the term "Swiftboating"? Nuff' said.

[MadMaddie]

48. In my early post I said racism is a part of the many things

they think they have grievences against Obama.

But to be told that racism has nothing to do it with it is ridiculous.

Yes, of course we remember all of the hateful things they did to Jimmy Carter, Clinton, Hillary and Kerry how could we forget?

I will not excuse Beck, Faux, QuittafromWissala from inciting the "he is not one of us", meme. This is something else that is inherently evil. There is a very dangerous undercurrent that is going on and we all know it.

There is no disagreement that the Republican brand is worthless but we should not take that for granted. We must ensure that we and our neighbors get out and vote in November.