If the Democrats screw this up....

[walldude]

Lots of handwringing about the election. The Republicans have handed the Dems an easy victory. All the Dems need to do is exploit it.

Now here it is, very simple and easy for politicians to understand.. If I need to I can type slowly for the Blue Dogs...

You want to win? Really? Ok The Republicans have made two grievous errors. If you are willing to exploit them, we come out with super majorities in both the House and Senate. The first error was the vote against the 9/11 responders health care. The reason the Republicans voted down the bill is because the Dems wanted to pay for it by closing a tax loophole that allowed foreign businesses to use offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes on business done in the U.S. The second error is the faux Mosque controversy.

We all know that Fox is owned by a foreigner Rupert Murdoch and that his biggest shareholder is none other that the Muslim who wants to build a Mosque at ground zero. ( I know it's not really a Mosque and it's not really at ground zero but they started this). Now I know Du'ers are smart enough to see where this is going, but for the Blue Dogs let me explain.


There is only one issue in this Election. REPUBLICANS ARE TURNING THIS COUNTRY OVER TO FOREIGNERS. That's it. Every billboard, every ad, every radio spot and TV commercial. Nothing but soundbites about how Republicans would rather give tax breaks to foreign corporations instead of health care to 9/11 first responders, about how the builders of the Mosque are major shareholders in Faux News. How those shareholders are donating millions to make sure Republicans keep selling this country out to foreigners.

That's it. You play the fucking xenophobia card. You turn their own shit against them. And they have opened the door and made it simple.

I swear if the Dems fuck this up they will never get another dime from me.

[IntravenousDemilo]

1. Good! Fight fire with fire!

To use another metaphor, there's nothing quite so satisfying as beating an evil old man to death with his own cane.

[HillbillyBob]

2. I posted that on fb.

Im not a bg fan of fb, but loads of my r family members are.....

[WillyT]

3. K & R !!!

:kick:

[still_one]

4. Actually, murdoch became a U.S. citizen, and the Democrats are screwing this election up

but not for the reasons you gave, but because they do not go on the offensive on the issues affecting most Americans adversely, even though those problem were created by republican policy since reagan

We should never have lost Kennedy's seat. They took that seat for granted, and from everything I can see they have not learned a thing from that defeat, and sadly it appears we are headed for some rough times in this election

I supported and voted for Obama, but in retrospect I believe Hillary would have been a better fighter

[walldude]

18. Hmmm what reasons did I give for the Democrats losing?

I don't see them. My post was about how the Dems could go on the offensive and win, and you posted that I was wrong, the dems should go on the offensive.... hoookay... I'm confused.

[pintobean]

5. Why insult the Blue Dogs?

We'll need their votes too.

[DemocracyInaction]

6. What if Dems do not want to win

I'm more and more convinced that they don't. It will be so much easier for the old, entrenched members of Congress to sit in the back and say "gee, we can't do nuttin' 'cause the Repukes are in power" than actually have to fight against the same corporations that both they and the Repukes are in bed with. Clue: no one gives a damn about you or me....this is only a game and all the cards are stacked for the "house".

[MineralMan]

7. Are you not one of the Democrats?

Seems to me that it's up to all of us to get out the Democratic vote and make sure that Democrats win. We ARE the Democrats. If we lose, it will, indeed be our fault.

[walldude]

19. Sorry don't see it that way.

I see a party doing it's best to marginalize(and that's being really, really kind) the likes of me. It will not be "my" fault" if we lose. We got the vote out, we donated, worked and voted. And we won. And many of us are disappointed with the way we were treated in the last two years. For some all that work seemed for naught. And for others it seems like they worked against their own interests. THe only way to resolve this is for the Dems to get super majorities, then there will be no excuse for failing the American people.

[doc03]

8. You gotta be kidding do you really think the

average American would understand any of that.

[walldude]

20. Yes. It's simple easy and to the point.

And every American should be up in furious arms about the vote against 9/11 first responders. The press didn't care. The people will.


How can they not understand? Republicans voted for foreign tax breaks over 9/11 first responders. Republicans are screaming about the Mosque but the biggest shareholder in their propaganda network is the guy who is financing the Mosque. How fucking hard is it?

[dionysus]

27. no, you vastly overestimate the intelligence and involvement of the general public

[elocs]

9. My money is on the Democrats screwing this up so I think you'll be saving your dimes.

Funny, just a year or so ago we had people here who were dancing on the grave of the Republican party. I thought it was stupid then and I still do.

This fall, Republicans will be supporting Republicans. There is a big anti-incumbent mood in this country which will doubtless pick off some Republicans as well.

The trouble is, unlike Republicans who are fired-up and will vote Republican, not all Democrats will vote Democratic and they are far less fired-up than the opposition.
Voter turnout is a key in an off year election and the Republicans' passion this year is likely to influence how the middle will vote, those who might swing either way.

Democrats need to get out and support Democrats and they need to inspire not only themselves but the middle as well and win as much as that as possible. There may be overall loses as is historically the case in off-year elections, but this need not be a blood bath.

[BlueJac]

10. The Dems could fuck up a wet dream..........

they are not Democrats really, they are corporacrats

they are not liberals, they are right wingers

they don't know how to fight, they are cowards

they always say one thing, they always do another

they are selling out Americans, they always have

they are stealing Social Security, they always have

they are giving in to Republicans, they always have

they are going to fuck this up, they always do!

[Cronus Protagonist]

11. Someone send this to Dr. Dean or Grayson

No point in sending it to the establishment Dems... it appears they want to lose.

[valerief]

12. Dems won't. Republocrats will. nt

[lostinhere]

13. One tweak to your argument

<<De-lurking>>

I see an error that would allow someone to try to throw out the whole argument. Mr. Rupert Murdock is a U.S. citizen. According to Wikipedia, " On 4 September 1985, Murdoch became a naturalised citizen in order to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own American television stations." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch, para 18)

<<Lurking>>

[Vinca]

14. You can't possibly be suggesting Dems step on toesies and act

all mean and stuff. How on earth will we ever have bi-partisanship? :sarcasm:

[demwing]

15. YES! Fuck Foreigners!

They suck. Let's WIN!!! Feed the flames of fear of foreign domination!

Maybe, in the process, a few innocent people will get stabbed or shot, some may even die, but what's a little collateral damage? It's the end game that matters, and damn all ethics. The end justifies the means, every time.

:sarcasm:

In the end, the Dems may win, and Yippie yi yo kayah mother fuckers, for what will we really have won? The land of the free and the home of the brave, or a burnt landscape of broken promises and hateful xenophobes?

Count me out. If this is where America is heading, then we need to rethink the line we've drawn to distinguish our enemies from our selves.

[walldude]

17. Wow right over the old head huh...

If that is what you took from this post.... The Republicans are already using the fear the foreigner card. I just suggest using that same card that they built against them.


Can't fucking win here. If I post about how bad the Dems are getting their ass handed to them I am an Obama basher, if I suggest that they play dirty to win the election I am a xenophobe.

If we win we win a chance to actually help people. We lose and we spend a few more years, monkeys fucking a football.

[demwing]

23. It didn't go over my head at all

What I represent is not a lack of understanding of your post, but a lack of agreement with your proposal.

You accuse me of being unable to follow your logic, but the error is not in me, it is in your false dillema. According to you, Dems can only "get their asses handed to them" or "play dirty." We can also win by playing smart, not dirty. We can even use the same issues that you suggest, but dressed in such a way that the outcome doesn't encourage more fear and hate. You are reducing a complex problem down to two overly simplistic paths, and I choose neither.

[gulliver]

16. K&R

If we don't play the xenophobia, xenophobia will grow. We have to take the reward out of it by making it a losing proposition for the Republicans. If they think it is an uncontested political profit center, they will continue doing what they are doing. They'll milk it until it turns into something really ugly.

[sabrina 1]

21. Excellent strategy.

I hope they use it.

K&R

[inna]

22. really lame idea and completely distasteful; almost sounds like satire

-1

[demwing]

28. Thank goodness

that I am not the only one who thought so...

[TheKentuckian]

24. A logic born of hand to mouth desperation and disposable principles

You surely realize that fanning that flame is going to have blowback that will be real and will compound the problem, eventually spreading like a massive cancer in our internal approach.

This won't happen in a vacuum Walldude. You think that we haven't pushed some impressionable young people off the fence and right into the radicalized enemy camp just on our national response to the mosque near the trade center site and all the over the country has demonstrated that we talk out of both sides of our mouth, we do not live our values, and we continue to kill their people and break their lands.

What else does this illustrate?

This sort of thinking has played no small part in why we have come to this sad state of affairs. Republican insanity polls well and so we adopt it but almost without exception the policies are toxic and the Republican worldview is skewed, too be charitable.

Sew the whirlwind and fix it later when a more evolved public consensus comes about is not a winner, you're running the ball at top speed to the other teams endzone.

How many kats you know of that can even hope to turn that into a score or even not a huge loss?

I'm not against getting into the muck but that doesn't describe the rudderlessness of the soul that you describe.
Sometimes the cost of victory is higher than the reward of the win. The evil national consensus you would create eats at the essential underpinnings that make it possibly to maintain a diverse population living in harmony and certainly to making it free and equal.

The desperate hunger for victory must not supersede the reasons for taking on the war.

The party you demand is certainly as much a danger to the people as the the fascists with the elephant for a mascot.

[demwing]

29. Well Said

thank you for being a voice of reason

[The Magistrate]

A Sound Line, Sir

A grave mistake will be made if this is not taken up.

"The best defense is a good offense."

[The Magistrate]

A Sound Line, Sir

A grave mistake will be made if this is not taken up.

"The best defense is a good offense."

[The Magistrate]

25. A Sound Line, Sir

A grave mistake will be made if this is not taken up.

"The best defense is a good offense."

[The Magistrate]

26. A Sound Line, Sir

A grave mistake will be made if this is not taken up.

"The best defense is a good offense."

[Kalun D]

30. It's very simple

the analogy is the Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals

the game is fixed from the get go. The dems will lay down, because if they had a super-majority they would have no excuses for not getting things done.

We have a corporate duopoly party. It's like professional wrestling, all the fighting is fake, they both are sold out to the same corporations.