EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool

[Junkdrawer]

Our heads are still swimming,” stated Barbara Schebler of Homosassa, Florida, who received word last Friday that test results on the water from her family’s swimming pool showed 50.3 ppm of 2-butoxyethanol, a marker for the dispersant Corexit 9527A used to break up and sink BP’s oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

The problems began for the Scheblers a few weeks after the April 20 blow-out. “Our first clue were rashes we both got early in May. Both my husband and I couldn’t get rid of the rashes and had to get cream from our doctor,” Schebler noted, “I never had a rash in my life.”

Then, on “July <23>, my husband Warren mowed the lawn. It was hot so he got in the pool to cool off afterward. That afternoon he had severe diarrhea and very dark urine. This lasted about 2 days,” she revealed.

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The question remains, how did this chemical find its way into the Schebler’s pool in such a high concentration?

“At night we would hear very low aircraft, including helicopters. We figured they were just heading to help out in the Gulf,” and Mrs. Schebler added that she was told, “The prevailing winds from the Gulf are easterly — and when they spray, it is airborne — and that we are right in the path of those winds.” It was also noted that, “We had alot of rain here before my husband got sick, and wondered what was going on… We had been having daily downpours in July.”

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http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/exclusive-tests-find-sickened-family-has-50-3-ppm-of-corexits-2-butoxyethanol-in-swimming-pool-just-one-hour-north-of-tampa-lab-report-included

It will be interesting to see if this is a one-off occurrence or if more lab tests will turn up positive.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Yeah, I'm not buying it.

1. Even the federal government is still working on a validated test for corexit.

2. The whole "it ruptures red blood cells" is classic fear-mongering.

3. No info on how they did the test.

[Demit]

3. Even the Fed govt? The Fed govt that told us 75% of the oil in the Gulf had vanished?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. The Fed govt that told us that 70% had been dispersed, yes.

But it's also the same government that is putting fluoride in your water, so maybe you've got reason to be worried.

[Demit]

26. Yes, the same govt that used Agent Orange. Depleted uranium. White phosphorus.

And lied about it. That govt.

[HughMoran]

7. So now we don't believe a word from the Federal Government?

Weird, what are we doing here supporting a political party in that government then?

:hide:

[Demit]

18. Being skeptical doesn't equate to 'not believing a word', HughM. It's not an either/or thing.

And to answer your second question: we are here because we are trying to make it better. Both the party and the govt.

[HughMoran]

25. Ahhh, so skepticism is the basis for ridicule

Interesting...

[Demit]

29. No, skepticism is the basis for not automatically accepting claims the govt makes

simply because they are the govt.

I'm not sure if how I expressed it was as strong as ridicule. But when governments have a history of—and a stake in—hiding things from their citizens, then yes, I'm damned skeptical of their 'validated tests'.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. The government hasn't made any claims in this case.

You're skeptical? Yeah, maybe in the way astrologers are skeptical of astronomy. Or alcoholics are skeptical of sobriety.

[Junkdrawer]

5. Yeah, I'm not surprised.

CONSENSUS STATEMENT: Scientists oppose the use of dispersant chemicals in the Gulf of Mexico

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Two dispersants, Corexit 9500 and 9527A, produced by Nalco of Naperville, Illinois, have been used in theGulf (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/). Although listed among EPA-approveddispersants, Corexits are oil industry-insider products, and are ranked by the EPA as more toxic and lesseffective than other approved dispersants, which has raised questions about their use in the Gulf (Scarlett etal 2005). A comprehensive report on the health hazards of crude oil and the known ingredients of Corexits isavailable at: http://www.sciencecorps.org/crudeoilhazards.htm.

Corexit 9527A contains 2-BTE (2-butoxyethanol), a toxic solvent that ruptures red blood cells, causinghemolysis (bleeding) and liver and kidney damage (Johanson and Bowman, 1991, Nalco, 2010). Both Corexitdispersants contain petroleum solvents that mix with the crude oil mass and move through it, thus increasingthe uptake of oil by organisms (NRC, 2005, Nalco, 2010).

The properties that facilitate the movement of dispersants through oil also make it easier for them to movethrough cell walls, skin barriers, and membranes that protect vital organs, underlying layers of skin, thesurfaces of eyes, mouths, and other structures.

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_RNIt_CegM4J:msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/Sections/aNEWS/2010/07-July%252010/ScientistsConsensusStatement.pdf+2+butoxyethanol+%22highly+toxic%22&cd=54&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[w4rma]

8. Why aren't you "buying" it? Regular Americans are all liars? Big oil is full of innocent angels? nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. "Regular Americans are all liars?"

Plenty of them are.

It's not a black and white issue. Just because BP is dishonest does not mean that these people are telling the truth.

[w4rma]

11. You sure are quick to make a judgement against these regular Americans.

I'm just a little curious as to what motivates you to make such a half-assed judgment.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. You sure are quick to accept their claims as truth.

Despite reasons not to.

Why is that? Is it because you want to believe this shit?

[w4rma]

16. What reasons not to? Are you refering to the documented lab results or the

documented poisoning? Or the planes dumping the stuff into the wind everywhere down there?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Well, for starters, the lab tests aren't exactly documented.

There's a piece of paper claiming to be from a lab with a number on it. No information on how that number came up. But I already mentioned that.

Then there's the source of the story, a law firm that appears to be involved in the case.

There's the conspiracy theorist, of the "black helicopters in whisper mode" variety, this Robert Naman guy.

Then there's the couple having all the classic munchausen symptoms which are completely asymptomatic to 2-butoxyethanol. Let alone 50 ppm.

Then there's the general fear mongering bullshit in the article, dissolving red blood cells and whatnot. But I already mentioned that as well.

[w4rma]

19. And you've already made a judgement against this family after admitting you don't know all the facts

Interesting.

You sure are quick to make a judgement against these regular Americans.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. You and me both.

I've got better reasons for my judgements than you have.

[w4rma]

22. Nuh uh, I have better reasons for leaning in their favor! (nt)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Such as?

[Leftist Agitator]

42. "Then there's the general fear mongering bullshit...dissolving red blood cells and whatnot"

Um, you do know that a major constituent of Corexit 9527 is 2-Butoxyethanol, right?

And you do know that exposure to high concentrations of 2-Butoxyethanol can cause hemolysis, right?

And you also know that hemolysis is (from Wikipedia), "...the breaking open of erythrocytes (red blood cells) and the release of their contents (hemoglobin) into surrounding fluid (e.g., blood plasma)", right?

:eyes:

What was that about bullshit and its purveyors again?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. Do you know that high concentrations of detergent cause hemolysis, right?

Did you know that high concentrations of sea water is toxic? And that beach sand is carcinogenic?

All of the above is true, it's also completely irrelevant.

These are half truths, and completely dishonest.

[Leftist Agitator]

51. There's only one term that properly describes your post.

Intellectual dishonesty.

"Did you know that high concentrations of sea water is toxic?"

Sure did! So is regular water, in a high enough concentration.

"And that beach sand is carcinogenic?"

Again, yes. Especially if it's coated in oil, but I digress.

"All of the above is true, it's also completely irrelevant."

I agree. Everything that you wrote is irrelevant. What's not irrelevant is that Corexit 9527 contains 2-Butoxyethanol, a chemical that is known to cause hemolysis, which is quite literally, the bursting (or dissolution) of red blood cells.

You didn't know that, and so made a smart remark about the dissolving of blood cells being "bullshit". I called you on it, and rather than either admitting that you were wrong or simply acknowledging your ignorance with silence once you were corrected, you chose to try and obfuscate by pointing out that many everyday substances are toxic in sufficient concentrations.

Well, this time, I'm not letting you get away with it. Are you seriously suggesting that 2-Butoxyethanol doesn't cause hemolysis, or that the definition of that word is incongruous with the description "dissolving red blood cells"? Because that's something I'd like to see.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

52. Apparently you don't get the point. Maybe you should pay more attention.

2-butoxyethanol only causes "bursting" of red blood cells at very high concentrations. Not 50 ppm like these people are falsely claiming is in their pool. Not at the concentrations people the clean up workers are using with corexit.

So yeah, it's completely fucking irrelevant.

[Divine Discontent]

32. yes, the angelic govt has such a wonderful history of deserving all the doubt in this matter...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. Again, black and white thinking.

Just because the government has been wrong before, it does not mean these people are not scammers.

[Divine Discontent]

37. fine, but based on recent history involving the govt's actions involving blocking the truth from

getting out with the Gulf Disaster, I have troubles in quickly doubting people with decently plausible situations.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. "decently plausible"

These people are completely full of shit.

[Divine Discontent]

40. meh... that could be, but I'm not so quick to laugh off their claim as I was with the oil on the

sidewalk video. Especially since these dolts have claimed COREXIT is no more dangerous than dish soap............................

[KittyWampus]

46. No, but #1. no other pool has similar findings. #2. common household cleaners

can account for the findings.

[Barack2theFuture]

15. yeah, in these cases, it is always more prudent to wait for the official government story.

Don't believe what some *people* :eyes: report happens to them :eyes:.


The :puke: part sounds like classic fear mongering by special interests with a secret agenda.


I'm sure the Federal Government will issue a press release soon.

[fascisthunter]

2. Prepare to See more of This

[whistler162]

6. What more stories that don't make a lick of sense.

something is off with the story.

[fascisthunter]

12. read post #10

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. I'd like to see post #10 backed up by some facts.

I've witnessed both crop dusting and aerial firefighting. Both were pretty accurate, both took wind into consideration, and I doubt the process is much different for dispersant.

[whistler162]

45. Post #10 fails.... currently we have this one report

need additional information confirming the same problem in the surrounding area.

Wind and air currents carry things but they don't diperse them in one point and not in the surrounding area.

FACTS please FACTS!

[fascisthunter]

53. at this point it's all speculation

I still think there is a possibility this is real. One way of the other corexit is going to turn up and it is deadly to us and the environment we depend upon, especially those who live down on the gulf.

I have no idea who this man is, so I will reserve judgement on him.

[jberryhill]

30. Given the frequency with which Bob Naman makes remarkable discoveries, then

Yes, I'll bet he finds a lot more things soon.

I don't know what to make of this particular story. It is interesting that this one - like the exploding water video and the black suited mercenaries spreading corexit at night - involves Bob Naman.

There are a lot of independent chemists in the Gulf area, but this one guy finds a lot of startling things.

[McCamy Taylor]

10. The story makes plenty of sense. Chemicals dispersed via plane have always ended up in places

other than the intended target. The wind can not be controlled.

[SoCalDem]

13. I amk always amazed when people cannot grasp the fact that air & water MOVE

and creatures that fly/swim through them, also MOVE..

Any fish caught in or near the gulf, should be suspect for a very long time.. maybe forever. All that goo & gunk that sinks/has sunk to the bottom will REMAIN in the food chain in some manner ,for a very long time, and is impossible to "monitor".

[KittyWampus]

44. What does that have to do with ONE isolated claim of a chemical finding?

And it's a chemical finding that can be explained without using Corexit but everyday household cleaners found in most households?

[Subdivisions]

20. So, the chemical should be in neighboring pools, yes? n/t

[Junkdrawer]

23. As I said in the OP, that's what I'm waiting to see...

Lots of open pools in that part of the country. And the cited article suggests that the pool owners think the contamination occurred in July.

[jberryhill]

31. So, are their neighbors getting sick?

Or are symptoms confined to clients of one law firm?

[KittyWampus]

47. you can also wait until a journalist decides to interview this family and ask if they or their pool

guy used household cleaners to clean the pool or the area around the pool.

[Junkdrawer]

49. That's in the link in the OP:

...

Additional responses shared by the Scheblers:

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Warren cleans the lanai with a power washer, no chemicals at all. We’ve never used or purchased Simple Green .

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[tnlefty]

50. The household cleaners that I've seen mentioned, Windex or

Simple Green, are not products that would be used in or around a pool, but how much of these cleaners would it take to reach the 50.3 ppm in the water I wonder.

Kiddie wading pool, while stupid to use those products, would take more than a little bit.

My pool is roughly 28,000 gallons. When I need to disinfect (shock) the water, I can set the salt system to superchlorinate for 24-36 hrs. and the level will rise to between 8-10 ppm of chlorine. If we use the concentrated chlorine in bags it takes 12 lbs. to achieve roughly the same 8-10 ppm of chlorine.

I can't figure out how much of the household cleaners would have to be used to reach a concentration of 50.3 of a chemical that is in a small amount in a household cleaner.

ETA: not - would not be used and again to remove that not

[DCBob]

28. Yes. this should be a no-brainer to confirm.

It should have been done already.

[SidDithers]

38. That's the $64,000 question...nt

Sid

[KittyWampus]

43. it only makes sense if every other pool in the area has similar finding.

[Rex]

33. Weeeelllll....we all know it can't be BPs fault, they cleaned up all that oil

and then some! Never ever blame BP...no sir, impossible has to be another reason. BP had nothing to do with it, nada, ziltch, good thing I believe me too.

[Nikki Stone1]

34. This is why Corexit is banned in the EU. It was used to hide the oil in the Gulf.

And Americans will suffer. These are just the first stories.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Um, no it isn't.