EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool

[kpete]

Source: Florida Oil Spill Law

EXCLUSIVE: Tests find sickened family has 50.3 ppm of Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol in swimming pool — JUST ONE HOUR NORTH OF TAMPA (lab report included)
August 30th, 2010 at 09:13 AM Print Post Email Post


*Exclusive* Credit: FloridaOilSpillLaw.com

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“Warren collected a water sample from the pool filter on August 17th… packed the sample according to Mr. Naman’s instructions, and overnighted it to his Mobile, Ala. lab that same day,” she noted.

The results were delivered by Naman over the phone on August 27 at 11:00 a.m. EDT. A copy of the findings were then e-mailed to the Scheblers. To view the document, click here.

“Naman said our pool water sample we sent him contained 50.3 ppm
(parts per million) 2-butoxyethanol marker for Corexit,” according to Mrs. Schebler. Tests for arsenic came back at less than .02 ppm.

A July letter http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_RNIt_CegM4J:msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/Sections/aNEWS/2010/07-July%252010/ScientistsConsensusStatement.pdf+2+butoxyethanol+%22highly+toxic%22&cd=54&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us from four top scientists noted, “Corexit 9527A contains 2-BTE (2-butoxyethanol), a toxic solvent that ruptures red blood cells, causing hemolysis (bleeding) and liver and kidney damage (Johanson and Bowman, 1991, Nalco, 2010).”

Read more: http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/exclusive-tests-find-sickened-family-has-50-3-ppm-of-corexits-2-butoxyethanol-in-swimming-pool-just-one-hour-north-of-tampa-lab-report-included

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[BrklynLiberal]

1. but...but...but..didn't THEY say it was safe???????????????????

:silly:

[newtothegame]

119. You mean our government? nt

[davidwparker]

213. same gov't who said the air was safe after 9/11

[izquierdista]

2. Good thing the pool won't freeze!

Not a single molecule of this antifreeze needed to be dumped into the environment -- except to boost Nalco's sales.

[valerief]

3. It's like swimming in dishwater detergent. BP says Corexit is safe, safe, safe!!!!

What's a little kidney damage nowadays anyway? You only have to wait until 2014 to get partially covered health care.

:sarcasm:

[gratuitous]

4. Well, who knew?

The Scheblers had an oil spill in their swimming pool, obviously, and dumped a bunch of chemicals in it to make it look nicer. Fortunately, this has absolutely nothing (nothing, I tell you!) with anything that may or may not have happened in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010. Ergo, BP is not responsible.

Of course, if the Scheblers want to invest several thousand dollars out of pocket to prove that this has some connection with BP, they can look forward to many years of lawyers' fees and court time while BP does its corporate best to avoid having to pay out anything. And then, after all the trial, BP will have another team of lawyers nitpick the trial record and run the case through the appellate process, all the way up to the Supreme Court, if necessary. After all, BP has nothing but time to spend, and as a corporation of perpetual standing, what is time? Too bad if Warren and Barbara don't survive any lawsuit, but them's the breaks.

[Amonester]

31. hey, at least, beepee's lawyers will have very good paying jobs...

we're screewn, R we not?

**no sarcasm icon necessary**

[Grinchie]

93. I propose the Barbara and Warren Corporation

Fight fire with fire.

[JDPriestly]

99. Question is what was the pathway? How did the Corexit get to their

swimming pool? Were they drawing water from the ocean into their pool? Why would anyone do that? Did they accidentally pour Corexit into their pool? Did someone else maliciously or accidentally pour it in?

Is it normal to have water from the ocean in the pool? Does all the water in their town, in their neighborhood contain Corexit?

This is kind of an unbelievable story. What is the whole truth here?

[molly77]

103. The Corexit is lifted by the atmosphere

That is why trees are dying inland in a strange kind of way.Not bottom up..but an odd curling and discoloration of leaves. Trees are our barometer as to air quality.What strikes me as odd about this whole oil spill/corexit episode in US history...is how the american public can sit by and not cry out for damages to their homes and general welfare.Hurricane season will tell us just how severe the damage to the US is for oil.

Not one person has gone to jail. MSM has quietened considerably. Our govt. compares to Russian and German history...when their leaders killed their own people.

[JDPriestly]

148. Thanks. That was missing from the story.

[valerief]

181. How can you tell when someone is crying out? The media only covers RWers. nt

[jeff47]

211. Um....no it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Butoxyethanol

To quote the linked article: "2-Butoxyethanol usually decomposes in the presence of air within a few days and has not been identified as a major environmental contaminant."

It boils at 340F. Which means it's not going to evaporate quickly...much slower than water does, at least. If it is evaporating, the oxygen in the air would cause it to break down before it traveled very far. In a pool, which would be well-oxygenated if properly maintained, it's going to decompose rapidly.

There's other possible mechanisms, like it being sprayed near the house or wind carrying from a spraying operation far away. 2-Butoxyethanol is also present in a lot of other products, such as Windex and Simple Green, so it's also possible it came from another source. But this story, as reported, seems to not fit very well with the relevant chemistry.

(Btw, this post has nothing to do with the safety of Corexit itself. Just this story about one component of the mix)

[AikidoSoul]

226. "MSM has quietened considerably" -- must be all that advertising hush money N/T

[Lorien]

141. Corexit has been damaging crops 50 and more miles inland

they spray the shit from planes AND it evaporates into the atmosphere. Many scientists believe that up to 50% of the U.S. will be affected by Corexit laced toxic rains over the coming year.

[JDPriestly]

149. BP's leases should be taken away from them. This is deplorable.

Who in the world permitted them to use that stuff? Does BP now run our country?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

171. Corexit spraying killed my entire puppy mill operation.

I demand vengenance.

[ArcticFox]

202. I'd guess rain

Water with the chemical evaporates over the gulf and condenses over Florida where it falls into the pool.

[jeff47]

216. That's not how evaporation works

When water evaporates, the water goes into the air. Chemicals dissolved in the water are not carried into the air. They remain behind. That's how one makes sea salt - let the water evaporate off, and you're left with the salt.

In addition, the concentration in the air which would be required to get a pool to this level doesn't pass the laugh test. Couple that with the fact that this chemical breaks down in the presence of oxygen and light, and the Gulf seems like a very unlikely source.

2-Butoxyethanol is a component of Corexit, but it's also a component of many other cleaners. Including Windex, Simple Green and....pool filter cleaner.

The last one seems a lot more likely of a contamination route.

[whistler162]

5. Given that pools are a relatively closed system

this story makes no sense.

[smiley_glad_hands]

8. +1

How did it get there?

[w4rma]

10. -1 (nt)

[HughMoran]

61. -12

[Land Shark]

41. -1 (see explanations below)

[whistler162]

107. That doesn't explain it.. it is a POSSIBLE reason

but what of the other pools in the area?

[urgk]

69. Rain? Public water system? Either is frightening. (n/t)

[leveymg]

164. Rain. Corexit bound to aromatic hydrocarbons precipitate with rain drops long distances from the

source.

A localized downpour several months ago might account for this.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

189. You do not know what "aromatic" means in this context.

Do you?

[leveymg]

192. Does it mean that someone's comments stink? eom

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

196. No.

[leveymg]

199. What ARE you getting at, then? eom

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

200. I mean you're apparently just stringing random words together.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatic

[leveymg]

203. I did that for years at university and grad school and got quite decent grades.

Don't assume nothing 'bout no one, pal.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

204. University of Phoenix?

[leveymg]

207. The River Charles runs by it.

You're not clever, mean-spirited, and not worth wasting more time on.

[w4rma]

9. Not if the pool is an open air pool or if the water source for the pool has been contaminated. (nt)

[whistler162]

105. Okay... now what are the results on the surrounding pools?

[ixion]

12. Pools aren't really a closed system, as such, because you put water in them from

outside sources. So the contaminant came from the water supply, or possibly from rain water.

In either case, it's disturbing, and doesn't bode well for the Gulf Coast.

[Dr.Phool]

19. We've had a lot of rain in the Tampa area lately.

[ixion]

20. Yep, I'm down in Sarasota

we've been getting loads of rain here as well. How lovely to know that it's probably toxic.

[HockeyMom]

38. Same in Naples

Time for bottled water?

[Cetacea]

58. Just across the alley from you.

This is the first time in ten years that I haven't pulled fleas off of my pets. Not.a.single.flea.
I typically pull 5-10 per one hour time spent outside. Another Du'er on the Gulf side also reported no fleas.

[revolution breeze]

132. And this was the first time in 5 years we had fleas.

All three of my indoor cats were covered here is southern Louisiana! I have bathed, combed, squished and repeated this process every three days for the past three weeks. My oldest daughter has extreme flea allergies and her legs look like she has leprosy!

[revolution breeze]

133. Duplicate post deleted n/t

[Lorien]

135. Now that you mention it...yes, my pets had fleas in the Spring

but haven't had any for months now (I'm in Orlando).

[Lorien]

134. Yes, in the Orlando area too. I'm one of those people who has extreme chemical sensitivities

and for the past 3+ months here I've had the same reaction to rain storms here in the Central Florida area that I do when I'm exposed to a fair amount of industrial chemicals. Extreme headaches, joint pain, burning eyes, ears, nose, throat...many people are experiencing the same, but the MSM isn't reporting it and no one is working to see if there's any correlation to the spraying of Corexit. Have any cities within 100 miles of the Gulf tested their rain water for Corexit?

[revolution breeze]

137. Yes!

St. Tammany Parish has been closely monitoring our rainwater for Corexit as well as other chemicals. Although we are on the "Northshore" of Lake Pontchartrain, I am actually on the far eastern side of the lake.

[whistler162]

106. Okay so what where the test results on the pools

surrounding this one?

[whistler162]

113. which is why the words relatively closed were used.

you don't refill a pooll evey day, week, month. Compared to the volume in the pool the evaporation, rain added, maintance added water is small.

But, the question is still there what of the other pools in the area?

[boppers]

17. Journalists: Not scientists

It tested at 50 ppm for 2-butoxyethanol. That's in Corexit, no doubt there.

It's also in Windex, Simple Green, Whiteboard cleaners, etc... any number of sources could have been a factor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Butoxyethanol

[Dr.Phool]

21. Apologists and propagandists, not scientists.

Yeah, I go outside everyday, and dump Windex, Simple Green, Whiteboard cleaners, etc... and lots of other shit, since I just have too much time and money on my hands.

[boppers]

71. There's a reason we have to *tell* people not to dump motor oil down drains.

Underestimate humanity at your own peril. :)

[Grinchie]

95. Strange time to apologize for your past dumping.

But it doesn't surprise me.

[Lorien]

136. +1. nt

[ixion]

22. BP thanks you for your support

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. The Texas School Board thanks you for your science education.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

45. Ever the denigrator of other DUers...

You really are precious.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

46. Because falsely accusing someone of working for BP is a sign of respect?

:crazy:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

49. My bad. I had forgotten that you are the arbiter for all that should be respected here.

:eyes: You are vigilant.

[Chulanowa]

81. Trouble is, he's right

That chemical could have come from any number of sources. Nobody's saying it didn't come from Corexit... just that there are several options besides, as well.

Flailing the arms and howling to the skies about what might very well be a non-story isn't productive.

[boppers]

96. Attacking the ignorant for not being educated isn't fair.

A goat-herder in Afghanistan, or Texas, should not be attacked for their ignorance.

[ixion]

100. coming from you

that means nothing.

[SidDithers]

54. +1...

facts are good.

Sid

[tnlefty]

64. I'll be happy to let you know when I spray Windex, Simple

Green, Whiteboard cleaners, etc. in or around my pool.

Usually pool owners know what to do or not do around the water and don't invite trouble. Just sayin'.

[boppers]

70. Pool owners may not be the only source.

Disgruntled gardener, vengeful neighbor, pranksters, etc.

[Name removed]

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[tnlefty]

120. Hmm. depending on the volume of water in the poll, I would think

it would take quite a large quantity of Windex, etc., to get to 50.3 ppm, and I would think the owner's would've caught someone dumping something in the water.

We had company over the weekend so I turned the 'salt box' up to increase the amount of chlorine in the water and I just had to turn it down as the level of chlorine is around 8, a little high, but okay.

Seriously, I can't imagine how many bottles of Windex or whatever would have to be dumped into the water for the level to be 50+ppm.

[flyarm]

152. oh pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee stop,..most pools in Fla have screened in pools..huge screens that have

locks on the screen doors to the outside..for liability anyone who would leave their pool area unlocked would be a damn fool! and worse...they would lose their insurance!

It is obvious you don't know what the fuck you are talking about as far as Fla is concerned..

propaganda much??????????????

a BP agenda much?????????????

almost all neighborhood pools in Fla are Screened in! Huge huge screen structures over pools and entire pool areas!

[lark]

168. Do you live in FL? I've lived here 38 years.

There are a lot of screened in pools, and also a lot of folks have pools with no screens, just high fences.

[flyarm]

225. yes I do and I live in the area where this occured..and the Gulf is my back yard!

there is hardly a pool in this area that does not have the screens.hardly any!

And we in this area have had corexit sprayed on the Gulf.

So much so it made many many Gulf residents here very ill!

So much so that there were days that if you looked at our sugar white beach the sun would be shinning with crystal blue sky sunny as all get out..and yet when you looed over the gulf..from the water line out it looked like night time it was so black..from the Corexit being sprayed.

And the air stunk like the worst rotten Onions! for days on end ..and then the smell changed to smell like chemicals...for days on end!

[Grinchie]

94. Of Course! Thats the answer!

They were probably cleaning the observation window they use to watch the kids swimming while sipping their elitest Chardonnay while brainstorming on the Whiteboard on how to be especially bitter about Obama's policies over the past 7 quarters..

Then, Maria the undocumented worker cleaning up must have been using Simple Green..

It's that simple...

[upi402]

98. I wonder if the pool walls were cleaned

Slime builds up.

[liberation]

37. I don't think "closed system" means what you think it does...

Unless you know of some top secret pool technology which creates its own water cycle, in which case I suggest you start sharing...

[Land Shark]

40. One can SMELL 2-butoxyethanol so it sublimates/evaporates into air; also water-soluble, so....

yes, it could find its way into rain and precipitate into an outdoor pool.

BPs lawyers of cuorse would argue every other possible pathway, including cleaning solutions that may have been used and may also contain the compound. But corexit is 30 to 60% of 2-butoxyethanol by weight, and a lot of it was dumped in the gulf. Its odor is that of windex, which also has it. The exposure limits are either 20ppm or 50ppm (for skin) depending on which safety standard is used, OSHA (50ppm) or others. See http://www.cleancaribbean.org/userfiles/Master%20EC9527A%20MSDS.pdf

2-butoxyethanol itself will create toxiv byproducts in the presence of strong oxidizers like chlorine (in pools, unless bromine used, but it too is an oxidizer) so their is likely a chemical cocktail in that pool of which 2-butoxyethanol is the proximate cause.

[flyarm]

83. In May and June we smelled it very clearly in the Clearwater Beach area Just west of Tampa and

slightly South of the area where this pool is located!

The smell was so strong it burned our eyes and noses and throats.

The smell and the burning of ones eyes and throats and chests and noses drited very far inland and the smell was reported from the Clearwater/Tampa area down to Ft Meyers..almost a 4 hour drive south!

Over the Gulf at times the sky turned absolutely black in broad daylight..like it was the dead of night..and yet over the beach itself, it was sunny and clear, not a cloud in the sky..it was then we knew without a doubt Corexit was being sprayed.

Thousand upon thousand of people called into the local media demanding answers to what was going on. The local media finally reported they did not know what the smell was, but it went from Tampa/Clearwater down to Ft Meyers, along the entire coast line.

[Kalyke]

129. I smelled it all the way up in Tennessee.

I'm in East Tennessee and many of our wind patterns/weather systems blow northward from the Gulf.

There was a period of time in early summer when I smelled it every night when traffic had settled down.

[SugarShack]

179. I clearly smelled it was burning fuel ....black skies like when you burn rubber tires made from oil.

That was when they were burning the fuel.

A friend on the beach smelled rotten eggs...maybe that was the corexit....but I did not smell that inland...only the burning of the oil when the winds were blowing our way.

So far..no one here is itchy, burning, or bleeding. I will stay focused where that is happening. This is not fair to them.

There is water testing going on here right now...here is a report so far from the people at USF doing the testing: Naples = 0, ST. Pete 1ppm, (only takes 2 ppm to kill fish), I am working on getting Clearwater Beach tested. Those who were sick, are showing 50ppm. We are lucky in mid fla. Let's help those who are not so lucky.

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[Tuesday_Morning]

190. thanks, SugarShack! n/t

[jberryhill]

43. This Bob Naman guy makes a lot of startling findings

He was the guy with the exploding water, and the mercenaries spreading it at night (with pictures of a container in daylight and no mercenaries).

He finds something remarkable with great frequency.

[SidDithers]

124. Amazing, eh?...

It's almost like he's got an agenda, and likes seeing his name in bright lights.

Sid

[KittyWampus]

125. I sincerely think you've hit the mark.

[KoKo]

6. This family should not worry about this. This is normal for a pool in Tampa..

And Our President and EPA have said that all is being monitored. This is just hysterical hype from some family looking to profit from BP.

:sarcasm:

[bherrera]

7. So what is the meaning of this?

I assume this was a chemical put in the family's swimming pool for propaganda purposes, because the dispersant used in sea water offshore Louisiana is unlikely to be found in a swimming pool in Tampa. This could be a criminal case caused by somebody who wishes to get money from the compensation form, and it is possible this family may be a victim, or it may be part of the deception.

[Name removed]

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[zeemike]

14. That is always a possibility

But it is also a possibility that the chemicals were carried into the air by the evaporating oil and fell to earth as rain....but that can't be because look what it would mean.

[KittyWampus]

126. in which case every other pool in the area would have the same amount.

[PSzymeczek]

52. Wasn't Corexit also sprayed

from airplanes along the Florida Gulf Coast? Once sprayed into the air, couldn't the wind have carried it?

[flyarm]

85. yes it was! eom

[flyarm]

84. Corexit was sprayed in the Gulf over Clearwater..just west of Tampa! eom

[Lint Head]

13. Planes used to spread the Corexit could have easily spilled

some of this stuff into a pool. It is a hazardous chemical.

http://usahitman.com/leakedthe-corexit-9500-warning-label-chemical-dispersal-agent/

[Prometheus Bound]

18. The clear implication is that it came from the air.

Droplets settled in the pool and on the grass, and when the grass was cut it got into the air again and made its way into the pool.

[LTX]

167. No, the clear implication is that it came from a pool filter cleaner.

Here's a common pool filter cleaning product (usually used when you're too lazy to manually clean the filter):

http://www.h2opoolproducts.com/product_info.php?product...

And here's the Material Safety Data Sheet on the product, listing 2-butoxyethanol:

http://www.poolwater.com/msds/all/Leisure%20Time%20Inst...

And here's a quote from the article linked in the o/p:


The Scheblers found Robert Naman, a Mobile, Alabama chemist who’s performed multiple tests (1, 2, 3) for WKRG Channel 5, also out of Mobile.

“Warren collected a water sample from the pool filter on August 17th… packed the sample according to Mr. Naman’s instructions, and overnighted it to his Mobile, Ala. lab that same day,” she noted.


I think we have a smoking gun.

[LTX]

169. Sorry, I just noticed that the links in my prior reponse are wacky.

I don't know why. But try these if you want to follow them:

http://www.h2opoolproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1149

http://www.poolwater.com/msds/all/Leisure%20Time%20Instant%20Cartridge%20Clean.pdf

[boppers]

180. So, a pool filter cleaning chemical might be the source.

That's amusing.

[Name removed]

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[florida08]

16. Dupe

[WolverineDG]

23. did they fill their pool with water straight from the Gulf? nt

[w4rma]

26. Have you ever heard of a salt water swimming pool? (nt)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Do you know how much corexit they put into the ocean?

Do you know what the volume of the ocean is?

[w4rma]

30. If the little plane dumps it into the wind and the wind carries it to the pool then it doesn't

matter how big the ocean is compared to the plane since it never hit the ocean.

If the poison evaporates quicker and easier than water and is carried in rain clouds to a new destination, then it doesn't matter how big the gulf is compared to the volume of poison added to the gulf. It only matters how much poison was dumped.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

32. Weren't you just talking about salt water swimming pools?

Did you know that salt water is toxic and has been known to kill fresh water organisms?

:scary:

"If the poison evaporates quicker and easier than water and is carried in rain clouds to a new destination, then it doesn't matter how big the gulf is compared to the volume of poison added to the gulf."

What is the volume of evaporated corexit in comparison to the volume of the atmosphere?

Is it greater or less than 50 ppm?

[w4rma]

34. Nice use of condescending tone to infer that I'm an idiot and said the complete opposite of what I

really said. I suppose if you have no good response and you need to write something, then that's the best thing to do... if you are immoral and are not debating but are instead propagandizing.

The plane dumping the poison may have dumped it's load right on top of the pool for all you know.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. The term is "imply"

[w4rma]

47. I agree. Thank you for the correction. (nt)

[SidDithers]

57. If the wind carries it into the pool, it will be in other pools too...

any evidence of that?

Sid

[laughingliberal]

186. From the article:

...There is no way to be sure at this point. Though she stated, “Friends a few miles away… are having similar situation. They are now thinking of getting their water tested.”

http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/exclusive-tests-find-sickened-family-has-50-3-ppm-of-corexits-2-butoxyethanol-in-swimming-pool-just-one-hour-north-of-tampa-lab-report-included

I suppose if it was me and I had a pool in that area, I'd have it tested.

[G_j]

51. volume of oil and dispersant we are putting into it is tiny in relation to the total water volume.

BP's chief executive Tony Hayward:
In an interview with The Guardian newspaper he said: "The Gulf of Mexico is a very big ocean.

"The amount of volume of oil and dispersant we are putting into it is tiny in relation to the total water volume."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

55. Then how did a gallon of 2-butoxyethanol get into their swimming pool?

Not just corexit, but 2-butoxyethanol?

[G_j]

60. two quarts according to another post here,

I don't know, but I agree it is an awful lot and raises questions.

but the "ocean is big" line has been a bit overused...

[semillama]

142. Great point.

Not to mention there are a slew of other chemicals in Corexit, which should be showing up in relative proportions to the amount in the swimming pool if the source is in fact Corexit. Should be easy enough to establish.

[WolverineDG]

74. they're usually found on cruise ships

not in suburban back yards. :eyes:

dg

[whistler162]

111. I believe they are becoming more popular....

less maintance. Cousin in Tenessee has one.

[WolverineDG]

217. How do they fill it? Pipeline to the Gulf? nt

[whistler162]

110. Salt water not pumped fresh from gulf

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_advantages_and_disadvantages_of_a_saltwater_swimming_pool

[GreenPartyVoter]

151. My best friend when I was growing up had a saltwater pool.

[Politicalboi]

24. I'm not defending BP

But how come we aren't hearing these problems from the hotels on the beach with pools? If it's in the air like that, why doesn't it effect other pools on the way? This doesn't make sense.

[Amonester]

33. but....but...but... hotels on the beach with pools want tourists!!

why in their corporate minds would they ever tell anyone that they found that poison in there? :shrug:

[peacetalksforall]

35. maybe they can afford to do reverse osmosis on the water. Maybe it's the spraying.

So do you think the sick people and their dog are trying to rip off someone?

Why call bs. We don't know much. Most of us are a long distance away. We're just gathering data. Too early to call. Don't demean potentially honest people. Our job is to stay neutral.

[enki23]

25. this just *screams* bullshit.

not that it's impossible, obviously. just, you know, really damned improbable.

[quaker bill]

29. Corexit??

2-Butoxyethanol is a solvent in paints and surface coatings, as well as cleaning products and inks. Other products that contain 2-butoxyethanol include acrylic resin formulations, asphalt release agents, firefighting foam, leather protectors, oil spill dispersants, bowling pin and lane degreaser, and photographic strip solutions.

Other products containing 2-butoxyethanol as a primary ingredient include some whiteboard cleaners, liquid soaps, cosmetics, dry cleaning solutions, lacquers, varnishes, herbicides, and latex paints.

Environment
2-Butoxyethanol usually decomposes in the presence of air within a few days and has not been identified as a major environmental contaminant. It is not known to bioaccumulate.<14>




If the test is accurate, then there are a great many places this compound may have come from including the liquid soap the guy taking the sample might be using. It is unlikely that there even is a 50 ppm concentration anywhere in the Gulf at this point.

[defendandprotect]

36. Is there a possibility that drinking water has been contaminated -- ????

[HockeyMom]

39. Don't scare away the tourists!

Screw the locals. They really need the tourists to come to the Gulf States to support the economy.

[WinkyDink]

116. We need summer dollars. Now, if the people can't swim here, they'll be glad to swim at the beaches

of Cape Cod, the Hamptons, Long Island...

[hedgehog]

42. let's see here now - say the pool is 20 ft by 10 ft by 6ft deep,

that's 1200 cubic feet or roughly 9000 gallons.

now 50 ppm = 50/1000000, 50/1000000 times 9000 is 0.45 gallon

So somehow about 2 quarts of the marker chemical ended up in their pool? Does this make sense? That would have to be a pretty heavy spray; especially given that the recommended application rate maxes out at 10 gallons per acre.

1 acre is 43560 square feet. The pool surface area is 200 square feet. We're talking about a supposed application rate of roughly 200 gallons per acre.

Forgot to add

http://www.pwsrcac.org/docs/pwsrcacinfo/d0081996.DispersantsInfoNCP.pdf

[SidDithers]

59. +1...

this story doesn't pass the smell test.

I want to know if neighbour's pools are similarly contaminated.

Sid

[grahamhgreen]

89. They sprayed million of gallons into the gulf. It has to go somewhere.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

173. Yeah, it goes into the gulf.

Where it biodegrades.

[grahamhgreen]

175. Not if it gets into a human body first.

[Joe Bacon]

48. Holy Crap!

Scary!

[pgodbold]

50. I recall other reports of "brown urine" in the coastal spill area a few weeks ago. Sorry .. no link

[SidDithers]

53. I hope they're testing all the swimming pools in their neighbourhood...

to confirm they all have this level of corexit in the pool water.

Sid

[HughMoran]

63. Of course they are!

:eyes:

Pretty neat scam they're pulling off here.

[Rex]

56. Well we all know one thing, it could not have come from BPs colossal fuck up

in the Gulf. Nope. Impossible, because I say so!

Thanks.

[tnlefty]

62. Thank you for posting this!!

I saw earlier today and just about crapped myself. I made sure that the mr. saw it when he came home, and he had a very stunned look on his face.

Through absolutely no fault of the people living there, BP has fucked up so many lives.

[liberation]

65. Is it me?

But it seems some of the traditional defenders of everything and anything DLC, are also moonlighting for BP in this thread.

LOL...

[SidDithers]

66. And the chronically gullible lap it up, without a skeptical thought in their head...nt

Sid

[HughMoran]

67. so true

[HughMoran]

68. Can a critical post be constructed that doesn't contain "DLC" in it?

[boppers]

72. Well, there are other options:

corpratist
shill
centrist

Why limit yourself to just one!

:evilgrin:

[CoffeeCat]

73. If this pool has Corexit in it...

...then other nearby pools will also contain Corexit. Furthermore, other outdoor
pools, near the areas where Corexit was sprayed--should be tested too--to determine
if other areas are contaminated.

I don't know what is going on with this pool. However, if this has happened to this
one pool, then Corexit should be present in many other outdoor pools.

Let's get testing. Let's get some answers.

It's possible that Corexit has poisoned many, many sources. It's possible that Corexit
got into this pool. We don't have all of the facts yet, but it is a possibility. Given
that BP sprayed thousands of gallons of Corexit into the Gulf--it's certainly not outlandish
to suggest that an outdoor pool could have been contaminated.

I hope that additional tests are happening.

[boppers]

75. Additional test protocols, as well.

Considering that what was being tested for was not Corexit, but a common cleaning agent, they might want to get a little more specific.

[laughingliberal]

77. Read full article, the family reports friends living a few miles from them are having the same

symptoms. They plan to have their pool tested also.

[CoffeeCat]

117. Thank you...

I didn't read the whole article, but I will.

That is absolutely astounding.

I guess many others, especially the ones who adamantly suggested that this is
probably not Corexit, didn't read the article either.

[laughingliberal]

76. K & R nt

[sce56]

78. To all the deniers out there read all of the comments others have similar symptoms

4CleanEnergy
August 30, 2010 at 9:57 pm

I live in Florida and recently went to the doctor for sudden, severe, long-lasting, and unusual gastrointenstinal issues, as did several of my friends. During one of my friend’s visits, his doctor said “in the past week I have seen more cases of unexplained diarrhea than I have in my entire career.” He has been in practice for over 30 years. Additionally, we have what look like burn holes in most of our plants in the backyard. Those “burned” areas then turn yellow just before that section of the plant dies. I’ve lived here for years and have never seen anything like this.

If this was not from the cleanup scratch that the cover up of the spill then where else could it be coming from?
Here in LA when there is a brush fire in the hills or across the bay we get the ash from miles away falling on our homes yards and cars!

They said the oil evaporated, well the water evaporates from the ocean then comes back down as rain seems only logical that the dispersant's also evaporated then came down in the rain. Where there is smoke there is fire!
As for trusting what BP and the Feds say if you believe them I have the title to the Golden Gate bridge you might be interested in buying!

[OnyxCollie]

80. Well, as far as the 'burn' holes in plants,

my bell peppers were all killed off by something with similar symptoms, but I'm not going to attribute it to BP.

[sce56]

86. So the Corexit has gone all the way to Ohio!

The Dr said he has seen an unprecedented number of Diarrhea cases!

Needs to be checked out for sure or maybe this is just like what they told the recovery personnel at the WTC cleanup don't worry it is safe!

[boppers]

90. It's an international conspiracy!

The comments are a hoot.

'Mark' reports:
"Look the fact is you are now starting to see small stories pop up every place of people getting sick fresh water tables being effected and animals dieing or just plant life being killed that never had this problem before . you will always have people willing not to believe anything because they quiet frankly will never face the truth. The fact is these type people can be told till your blue in the face and they simply will be blind. After 9/11 and all the evidence that has come to light. You still have these type people saying it was exactly what the government said it was. Why you ask because they are the self same people that believe the BP spill was an accident and that the government has their best interest at heart no matter how many times we show them laws are being broken and lies are being told to protect the big corporations over the safety and well being of the American people We have to remember it was the self same EPA and Government that said the air was safe at ground zero and any one who said other wise was a conspiracy nut. Well now we know the truth that it was not safe and people did die from it. The same applies for BP oil spill and the use of Cor exit chemicals they say its safe and any who say other wise are considered conspiracy nuts. well you wait 2 years we will all find out that the real lyres are the government and EPA and any supporting this crap, So choose your words and sides carefully this time because if you choose the government I do not think the after math of your choice will be looked at to kindly in history time to wake up this is effecting us all and our enemies are at the gate they are many of our leaders"

I'm choosing a 5 string lyre.

[sce56]

92. Uh did I forget the Sarcasm smiley!

:sarcasm:

[OnyxCollie]

127. She can't help it.

Propaganda is what (she thinks) she does best.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

154. That's nothing, I'm thousands of miles away, and the corexit has upset my Morgellons.

Not to mention my cholera, neuralgia, mercurial eruptions, female complaints, consumption, the screaming shits, dropsy, scarlet fever, and miscegeny.

[rosesaylavee]

104. self delete

figured out my answer to my question ... not enough coffee yet this am apparently.

[Lorien]

138. "Deniers" is a very generous term for them. nt

[JoeyT]

79. This isn't actually worth freaking out over.

It's possible that it is from Corexit, but what they're testing for is such a common chemical that it very easily could be from another source. It's also not 50PPM over the entire pool, but in the water inside the filter, which, depending on the kind of filter it is, could concentrate it. It could be a small enough amount that it came from something they used to clean the concrete around the pool or the pool itself.

It's not really worth freaking out over until a trend can be proven. Then it's worth getting angry over. It's common practice to clean an empty pool with something containing BTE. It works wonders for discolored concrete too. Raging at a cover up that turns out to be a guy that used Mean or Simple Green to get rid of mildew or algae will only help BP in the long run.

BTW: I doubt anyone's being paid by BP to post. Who would take the job? Everyone knows BP isn't paying their workers. :P

[sce56]

88. Believe me if I was close to the Gulf had the runs and my pee was brown and I'd be WORRIED ABOUT IT

[Prometheus Bound]

109. Especially with very low aircraft and helicopters flying overhead every night.

[SidDithers]

121. If you had the runs, then your body is dehydrated...

and if you're is dehydrated, then your pee darkens significantly. Ask a marathon runner what colour their pee is after a race.

Sid

[grahamhgreen]

87. Was the rainwater ever tested? Results listed? Gulf water?

[Kablooie]

91. Another family that will discover BP lawyers are better then theirs.

[eridani]

97. One thing you should know about analytical chemist

We can tell you what is in a sample and how much of it there is. We cannot tell you how it got there.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

101. Bp is sending folks around to say it is safe.

[Lorien]

139. Yep, just look at this thread. nt

[whistler162]

143. Must not think only beieve only the bad no matter how

lacking in research it is!

PANIC PANIC PANIC!!!!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

145. Keep in mind...

this person once started a thread about a new perpetual motion machine that somebody invented, and everybody who disagreed with it was a BP shill.

:rofl:

[SidDithers]

156. Heheh...

I remember that.

Good times....


Sid

[paparush]

102. This is from rain? JEEBUS.

[whistler162]

112. Okay so what where the test results on the pools

in the area?

They should have near or a greater level of contamination.

[dipsydoodle]

108. Corexit’s 2-butoxyethanol ?

That is a badly worded report - worded to deliberately draw an association.

Please note this is not a defense of Corexit.

Corexit does contain 2-butoxyethanol but 2-butoxyethanol is 2-butoxyethanol and is not unique to Corexit.

2-butoxyethanol is also used in many houshold cleaners :

Glycol Ethers
2-Butoxyethanol or EGBE (also known as butyl cellosolve, butyl glycol, Dowanol, Bane-Clene and ethylene glycol monobutyl ether) is a solvent is found in many household cleaners, especially those intended for glass. It is also often an ingredient in paints, inks, oven cleaners, spot removers, dry cleaning solutions, carpet cleaners, liquid soaps, room and toilet bowl fresheners, and herbicides. Many glycol ethers have almost no smell and you can be overexposed to them without knowing it (the skin can absorb the vapors from the air).

Glycol ethers have been linked to reduced fertility (both in men and women), anemia, chronic fatigue syndrome, autism, liver and kidney damage, and more. How do you avoid it? It’s difficult, since manufacturers aren’t required to list it on the label, but according to Women’s Voices for the Earth, these products contain EGBE: Lemon Fresh Pine-Sol, Windex Aerosol, Formula 409, Simple Green, and All Purpose Cleaner.

http://andmykitchensink.com/10-toxic-cleaning-product-ingredients-and-how-they-may-harm-you/

If you search you will also find that its used in some baby wipes.

[SidDithers]

123. Don't be bringing sense and sanity into this thread...

DU'ers have got a perfectly good OUTRAGE going here!



Sid

[jberryhill]

214. It's also in pool filter cleaners

And this sample came from a pool filter.

The question is how a pool chemical got into a pool filter.

We'll need freaking Sherlock Holmes for this.

[Javaman]

114. I don't think anyone could have anticipated this...

:eyee:

[WinkyDink]

115. Why should I bother my beautiful mind about this?

[whistler162]

122. YUP... Just PANIC... PANIC..... PANIC

[ChiciB1]

118. I Live In Florida, Right Near The Gulf Coast, I Can Walk Or Ride A Bike

there. I WORRY about all this and have since the beginning. Haven't heard any "real" stories, but I don't doubt that if there are adverse situations occurring, that we aren't being told about it.

Mostly what Florida is doing is saying, "it's SAFE C'mon down!" But I'm still willing to wait and see. More people will eventually get sick and then the problem won't be able to be contained!

There IS ONE FACT that I do know, coming from my son-in-law who works as a critical care nurse in the ER room at the local hospital here. He has told me of people coming in with rashes that need real attention after swimming in the Gulf. Several doctors have told some patients NOT to go in the water. But what THEY are seeing I don't know.

I have decided not to swim in the Gulf myself, simply because I DON'T KNOW! I'm prone to certain infections and fear having to treat them any more than I do now. I also WON'T buy fish locally or even eat fish that people have caught from the Gulf.

While I can't prove ANYTHING for sure, I myself simply have been very cautious about anything related to the Gulf. I live south of Sarasota, not much further... but still the Gulf is right up the road! On occasions, when I've walked my dogs I've asked my husband "what's that stinky smell?' But it could be standing water, even though living right near the Gulf, for some reason I live in a pocket that gets less rain than the usual amount around our area. Been that way for years and years!

But, NO I don't want to be dipping into the Gulf, but it's a personal decision. Will I hear other bad stuff about the Gulf, I think so, still it's speculation from me!

I TRUST very little anymore, and I KNOW the PR people down here are doing ALL they can to get people here to vacation!

SAFE HERE?? I don't know, but REALLY WONDER!!!

[quaker bill]

215. There are a great many things in the Gulf

that can give you a rash, and 99.9 percent of them are completely natural and organic. The red tide organism comes immediately to mind, and is not all that uncommon in the Gulf every year when the water warms.

There are also neurotoxic blue green algae, more than often enough.

I have gotten rashes swimming in the Gulf many years before BP and corexit were an issue.

Nothing is truly safe, even getting out of bed entails some risk. Fish and shellfish are occasionally loaded with parasites and bacteria, if you read the books on this, you would never touch the stuff and miss out on some tasty meals.

[SugarShack]

223. Where are the stories of rashes in your area? Never read one. Just south of you tested ZERO

in Naples. St. Pete 1ppm

[AikidoSoul]

227. What was the protocol used for the zero result test you cite?

It's sad but true that many tests are conducted poorly. Taking samples of the ocean, considering the layering of how the oil is moving, is important to consider. You can't just go down to the waters edge and test in any location. To be considered valid, a rigid protocol must be followed or the results are completely disqualified by anyone with a brain, and certainly the courts would not consider it valid evidence. Consider the pool guy -- so what if he sent a sample to be tested. What was the chain-of-custody of the test itself? And what if he put chemicals in his own pool. It's a closed system. Look at the posts here and note that many here are skeptical of the pool owner's motives. If he has a pool that he could purposefully contaminate for hope of a BP settlement. When ocean or air testing is involved it should be done by someone who is professionally certified, and not connected to the chemical industry. Many testing laboratories are OWNED by them, and it is NOT necessary to disclose this on their websites. It is a very difficult problem for the millions of people with toxic homes and offices who hope for some justice.

By the way.... welcome to DU! :hi:

[mikelgb]

128. I bet they didn't pay for it either, free Corexit, eh?

I smell a lawsuit against the family for possession of stolen property

[snooper2]

130. I've learned so much from this thread..

greatness :)

I think the flea test is the best post though.....that's a sure sign that your environment has poison in it. I don't have to pick off any more fleas :P

When somebody gets some free time later, please do the math for me on this...

1 rain cloud system that covers, hmm, lets say 30 square miles.
Lets say it's traveling at a rate of 15 mph...
I'ts dumping an average of 1 inch per hour...
Now we need the distance from the gulf to the pool...


How many gallons of Corexit needed to initially be in that rain system and how long would it take to get to 50ppm in a single pool. (we will use the 200square foot surface area noted above) (we can also slow down the system if needed as well)

[dipsydoodle]

131. Sure if someone really does want to waste their time

I'd suggest however that they wait until its proven that Corexit was the actual origin of the 2-Butoxyethanol which is used in numerous household cleaners including pool cleaner.

[KittyWampus]

that would actually be a great problem for a graduate student!

[Sheepshank]

140. Oh good...the thread morphed

from rampant panic and manufactured assumptions, to really thinking it out. WE HAVE HOPE..Democrats can use reason and realize all the facts have not been presented on which to base an informed opinion. I can't tell you how relieved I am :)

[snooper2]

144. now I wouldn't go that far

:rofl:

[femrap]

146. No wonder real estate

values are down in FL.

It's only a matter of time before it's underwater.

Between climate change and evil oil boyz, FL is over.

[yawnmaster]

147. can someone explain how rainwater would cause 50ppm in a pool?

The rainwater would need to have a significantly greater concentration than 50ppm to contaminate a pool to the same concentration.
And since I believe the substance is more volatile than water it shouldn't be gaining concentration by evaporation in the pool.
To me this rules out rain water.
discuss.

[snooper2]

150. Just solve my math problem I put above in post 158

please :)

[yawnmaster]

155. problem with the equation you post and my reason for posting above...

if rainwater does not contain more than 50ppm then it could rain forever and the pool will never get to 50ppm. It will only approach the concentration of the rainwater. 50ppm seems to be a lot for the rainwater to contain, but I admit I'd like to find out how much can normally be held by rainwater.

Even if it contained 100ppm, that would have to be one long heavy rain to eventually bring a pool with 0ppm up to 50ppm.

[snooper2]

158. ah, makes sense now

after smoking a cig outside and thinking about it :P

you would essentially have to dump the pool and start from scratch filling it with just rainwater..

Unless the rain was 30%-40% pure Corexit- guess that factor will need to be calculated in my math problem above as well :)

[yawnmaster]

160. I think rain is likely not a cause. a direct drop seems unlikely unless it was targeted at the...

pool, otherwise it would be all over everything ( a half gallon in a typical pool) around the pool.
I can imagine that someone dumped something into the pool thinking it was something else - defoamer, algae killer, etc..
but that's a hypothesis someone else will have to test.

[snooper2]

161. Oh, I'm pretty sure it's not the cause

I originally posted to see if some of the folks upthread would actually try to solve it...

It's raining Corexit! The trees are dying! No more Fleas! ;)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

153. fucking magnets.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/08/14/rainbow-conspiracy/

[yawnmaster]

157. expansion of question... what would the concentration in the air need to be for rain to...

achieve a concentration of 50ppm? Is it even possible?
These are the questions that must be answered (and others) before jerking knees.

The amount of evil that BP might contain, has no affect on the physical properties of our universe.

[SidDithers]

163. Jerking knees is what DU does best...nt

Sid

[yawnmaster]

159. more info for those wondering... 2-BUTOXYETHANOL is not very volatile...

and volatilizes slowly from water. It also has a half life in the air of less than one day.

[leveymg]

165. It's volatile enough. The 2-BU could have fallen with rain months ago.

Please cite sources for your technical assertions. Thanks.

FYI: Corexit evaporates. This from the EPA warning label: "4.d. Temperatures of phase separations and chemical changes:
COREXIT® EC9527A is not adversely affected by changes in storage temperature unless evaporation is allowed to occur." http://www.epa.gov/oem/content/ncp/products/corex952.htm.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

170. The earth's atmosphere is around 1% water vapor.

That's high enough that the local atmosphere can regularly become supersaturated with water vapor, and water will fall as rain.

What percentage of the atmosphere do you suppose is 2-butoxyethanol?

[yawnmaster]

176. obviously, it must be enough that about 2 quarts of it rained for every

300 square feet, or so, of land in the area.
Wish I would have been there for that rainstorm. I could have bottled the rain and sold it as glass cleaner.

[leveymg]

195. A few PPM would seem to imply a lower concentration that that. Why assume even distribution?

Ever heard of a localized downpour? If your assumptions are incomplete, all the maths in the world won't save you.

[leveymg]

193. Just a few PPB.

Less than the pool.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

198. a few ppb?!

That's what, like, fifteen million kilograms of 2-butoxyethanol?

[leveymg]

201. No, thats 50 ppm in 10,000 gallon pool.

That's only a few mics of material. 15 MILLION kilos? Are you on a few mics?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

208. 50 ppm in a pool is 50,000 ppb.

Regardless of what size the pool is.

mics? You mean micrograms? microliters?

Maybe if it was a very, very tiny pool.

If it was your average pool, it was closer to two liters. Somebody upthread already did the math.

Btw, did you take your math classes from the same university you took your chemistry classes?

[yawnmaster]

174. 2-BU has a low vapor pressure and therefore a low volatility compared with water...

compare:
water has a vapor pressure of about 2.3 kPA and a boiling point of 100 degrees C
3-BU has a vapor pressure of about 0.1 kPA and a boiling point of 172 degrees C

3-BU evaporates slower than water. Once in the air it is half gone in less than a day - broken down by light and other factors.

(everything evaporates, even a rock, btw)

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp118-c5.pdf

here is its msds
http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-2_Butoxyethanol-9923187

[leveymg]

194. None of that means it's impossible that Corexit got into someone's pool.

That's the issue. Relative evaporation rates isn't relevant, so long as evaporation is possible, which it is. Next.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

210. Maybe the Loch Ness Monster is in the pool.

We haven't proved it isn't.

[yawnmaster]

222. did the rain drop it there? eom

[yawnmaster]

220. evaporation is possible with everything.

if you are make the premise that rain carried the material with enough concentration to create a 50ppm in the pool in which it rained, then relative evaporation is very relevant. It doesn't just have to be possible, it has to be large enough to create a concentration in the air that the rain can pick up and drop into the pool.

I think we eliminate rain as the cause.

[Bluebear]

162. "Nobody could have imagined people using planes as weapons and crashing them into buildings"

[LTX]

166. I'll post this again in case anyone is interested. Pool filter cleaners contain 2-butoxyethanol.

Here's a common one:

http://www.h2opoolproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1149

And here's the Material Safety Data Sheet on the product, listing 2-butoxyethanol:

http://www.poolwater.com/msds/all/Leisure%20Time%20Instant%20Cartridge%20Clean.pdf

And here's a quote from the article linked in the o/p:

The Scheblers found Robert Naman, a Mobile, Alabama chemist who’s performed multiple tests (1, 2, 3) for WKRG Channel 5, also out of Mobile.

“Warren collected a water sample from the pool filter on August 17th… packed the sample according to Mr. Naman’s instructions, and overnighted it to his Mobile, Ala. lab that same day,” she noted.

I think we have a smoking gun.

[LTX]

172. Sorry, I just noticed that the links in the post above don't work.

I don't know why, but try these if you want to follow them:

http://www.h2opoolproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=1149

http://www.poolwater.com/msds/all/Leisure%20Time%20Instant%20Cartridge%20Clean.pdf

[Usrename]

185. sure seems like a lot

if the stuff is 5% 2-BUTOXYETHANOL they would need a couple gallons in their pool to make the 50 ppm figure, assuming a 20k gallon pool, but it is possible I guess

the same data sheet says the stuff is toxic in concentrations of 20 ppm

[LTX]

191. I agree. But they did take the sample from the filter,

and I suppose it's possible that repeated use without manually cleaning left a concentrated residue. There's little information about how the sample was taken (with the filter on or off, with a dropper needle from the bottom of the filter or scooping the sample from the top, etc.) and there's no information on the the packing of the sample for transport (at the direction of the pool owner, oddly enough) or the actual testing methodology. There's a bunch missing here.

[yawnmaster]

177. Doubtful that it was the filter cleaner...

as the directions for use, I'm sure, are clear on the label.
Most likely it was the rain.

[LTX]

182. Occam's razor.

What's more likely? A convoluted route to the pool via a miraculously accurate drop from a passing helicopter or aircraft, a freak rain storm packed with corexit that somehow affected only this pool, etc.?

Or is it more likely that someone simply overused a product designed to clean filters? The sample was taken from the filter, after all, and not the main pool water, so the concentrations of the filter cleaner would be higher there. There was apparently no cross check to see when, or with what product, the filter was cleaned, and there is at the very least an obligation to rule out this obvious source before speculating on complicated and bizarre sources.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

183. Umm, Occam's razor...

says they're just making it all up.

[LTX]

184. Maybe so. : )

But fraud is rarely considered the simplest explanation, since it can almost always be the simplest explanation.

[yawnmaster]

219. But why would anyone make something up like that?

unless there is money involved.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

228. Umm, did you notice the money was involved?

This "story" comes from a scheister law firm.

[boppers]

224. People reading, and following, directions?

Dear God, I hope you never work in a call center.

Your faith in humanity will be destroyed. Totally.

[SidDithers]

178. Well done...nt

Sid

[leveymg]

206. I can accept that explanation. Thnx.

[potassiumnitrate]

187. Hoax

Don't believe everything you see on first glance.

Those concentrations are not possible.

[leveymg]

197. Maybe. But 50 ppm isn't impossible for a localized downpour.

On what basis is that conclusion grounded?

[LTX]

205. It would have to be a localized downpour

directly over this pool alone, and somehow just packed with corexit. More likely it was the pool filter cleaner that was used, since the sample was taken from the filter, and filter cleaners contain the same chemical.

[leveymg]

209. Pool filter cleaner satisfies me.

[madmax]

188. Drill Baby, Drill - Right. nt

[pleah]

212. K&R

[Scarsdale Vibe]

218. 50ppm of Corexit in a pool 100s of miles from the area the dispersant was used?

I guess if the universe lasted for an infinite number of years and the BP disaster was repeated every year, eventually a few googolplex years down the road such an entropically unlikely event might occur in a single pool in Tampa.

[yawnmaster]

221. How much is bp paying you???

j/k!!!