Right-wingers now demanding WHAT??!!??

[Archae]

The baptism certificate? :wtf:

In his Aug. 24 Accuracy in Media column, Cliff Kincaid makes a big deal out of a purported lack of evidence that Barack Obama was ever baptized as a Christian, claiming that "being a Christian is not just a function of attending church services. Rather, it is related to being baptized. Did this critical development occur in Obama’s life?" Kincaid goes on to quote a columnist who asked, "Where is the baptism certificate? We do not see one because there was no baptism."

http://tinyurl.com/2g7sag7

[mzteris]

1. next they'll demand the birthing video . . . n/t

[daleanime]

4. And of course after that....

:blush:

[Froward69]

50. Don HO singing and

playing a bongos in the background...

...Not to mention the preserved umbilical chord for DNA testing. :eyes:

ONLY THEN will they still deny he was born in America.

[mike r]

2. I bet they want the "Certificate of Holy Baptism", not the "Certificate of Baptism"

and they want the video too.

[pinboy3niner]

5. And a certified sample of the holy water... nt

[NutmegYankee]

3. Half of America couldn't produce that!

Many are baptized as children, and it's completely up to the parents to keep something like that.

[Solomon]

45. For one thing, some branches of christianity don't believe in

baptizing babies. I was raised a baptist, and baptism only comes about when a person is old enough to make the choice to accept Christ and be baptized so millions of baptists would not have a baptism certificate from birth.

It's ridiculous and shows an utter misunderstanding of christianity. Utterly absurd.

[CTyankee]

55. Obama officially became a Christian as an adult...but he was brought in by Jeremiah Wright.

Surely, these folks won't accept HIS word for anything...

[cynatnite]

6. This is one of those times that "batshit crazy" isn't an adequate description of these people. n/t

[NTXDem]

7. Oh please

please, please stop with the right wing idiocy.

Nothing will make these morons happy. They just need to be ignored and hit constantly from all sides for their lies.

[daleanime]

9. Yes, it's rough....

but you've got to know what it's make out of, to wash the stains away.:hi:

[NTXDem]

14. Tis true.

You've got to know where the cockroaches are to exterminate them.

Particularly apt comparison when talking about the rethugs, actually.

[liberal N proud]

8. They would have to show where the Constitution requires a baptism certificate

I dread what the next 2 years of republican congress could become.

They will launch one congressional investigation after another against the Obama Administration. Attack, Attack, Attack until he is rendered totally ineffective.

[Amonester]

30. maybe it would be the only way to 'wake him up' and 'fight 'em' back

and 'finally' drop that bipartisanship BS in order to at least try to 'crush' these destructive morons in 2012, but at what cost?

even then, big doubts subsist (that he's not 'secretly' one of them...)

[brewens]

10. I don't have one but that could be because I'm a

Godless Heathen!:evilgrin:

[Rabrrrrrr]

11. Yeah, because *every* church has them... fucking hell.

:eyes:

Crazy batshit assholes.

[liberalhistorian]

36. No shit. It totally depends on the church

and its particular policy. When I was baptized twenty or so years ago, I didn't get any kind of "certificate" or anything like that, and I didn't really care if I didn't. To me, the point wasn't getting a nice little "certificate" to frame on the wall to show people what a nice, pious all-American good girl I was. The point was to formalize my personal and conscious adult decision to become a Christian (albeit in the social justice progressive tradition) and to actually live it by helping others however I could and working to attain the kind of social and economic justice and service to those in need that God commands us to do. And that includes speaking up against all people who are being mistreated, oppressed, demonized, dehumanized in some way, etc., regardless of their race or religion. So I didn't need a damned certificate for that and none was given anyway, at least not that I can remember.

Most people are baptized as babies or children and it's then up to their parents to keep any kind of certificate that's given. Many parents either don't do so or don't keep close track of where they keep them and most people as adults wouldn't know where or how to get them.

[edbermac]

12. Good think Obama isn't Jewish.

They'd demand proof of his circumcision.

[Brother Buzz]

27. Excuse me while I whip this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYlDbv7MqE8

[Pirate Smile]

13. You know what else - I don't remember being born. I could have been born in Kenya or Indonesia.

Sure, Mom & Dad say Missouri but they could just be part of a conspiracy.

I didn't even have birth announcements.

Very worried.

[eShirl]

15. So now Quakers aren't considered Christian?

Then they can kindly stop taking credit for all the abolitionist work done by Quakers.

[bherrera]

16. I am atheist from Alicante, Spain

And I think you Americans are border on the medieval times. Maybe you want to have the holy inquisition torture President Obama to see his bona fides? You are looking more and more ridiculous all the time. And the anti Muslim xenophobia makes you look like a nazi nation. Sickening.

[cynatnite]

18. This American is an atheist, too...

Fortuately, most Americans are a little more sane. These people have such screeching loud voices that it's difficult to rightly ignore them.

[eShirl]

25. Good thing there's no anti Muslim xenophobia in Europe.

[whathehell]

34. How right you are, eShirl..lol!

[unblock]

28. "americans" are not well represented in government, nor the media

the government represents corporations and a very few ultra-rich people, who are mostly but not all american, and often threaten to leave at the slightest increase in their tax rates.

the media is owned and/or serves the interests of this same group.


sure, you can get some americans to attend any rally, but the vast majority of americans are shut out of the process, and are left with nothing to do but cheer for one of the two limited choices permitted us.

so, while your perception is an accurate one, but it is not of "americans". it is a perception of the forces that control our media and political process. there is quite a large gap between the two, and it would be far larger if that tight grip they had on the media were broken.

[whathehell]

29. Well, hello to you too, bherrera!........Just one thing I'd like to mention

You see that broad brush you're using to criticize Americans?...You're going to have to use a narrower one...Those folks you find "ridiculous"?...We do too..They're known as "the religious right" and they're not here..Comprende?

You see, bherrera, just like Spain, America has many DIFFERENT types of people and those people you are criticizing?...They aren't on THIS board, at least in no great number..You're kind of "preaching to the converted" if you get my drift.

I think the site you want is "Free Republic"....You might want to go over there and talk to them.

You should tell THEM how "ridiculous" they look, because even though WE tell them that all the time, I'm sure they'd appreciate the "International Perspective"...In fact, you might just want to tell them democratic underground sent you!

Good luck to ya!

[Amonester]

32. lol

like our good friend bherrera's word would stand a chance to 'remain' there for 1 or (with any luck) 2 batsh*t crazy replies... :rofl:

here's to hoping he'll do it anyway! :fistbump:

[whathehell]

35. Yes...because we know that

Free Republic is always looking for the (a)Broader Perspective.:rofl:

..Back at ya:fistbump:

[krabigirl]

40. exactly :)

[whathehell]

41. Thank you, Krabi.

:7

[krabigirl]

38. I'm a non-religious person from California and I agree to a point, but they are extremists.

Not sure what my exact "label" is, maybe pantheist or deist or most likely agnostic, but I identify with atheists. Anyway, you aren't alone. Many of us living here see the same thing. It's scary. However, after spending extended time in France, while there definitely are not many religious people, many, many people there definitely are xenophobic against Muslims, just like here. Not sure how it is in Spain.

[liberalhistorian]

52. There is terrible anti-Muslim xenophobia in France

and other parts of Europe aren't much better. In fact, there was just an anti-Muslim demonstration in England last week. Sometimes DUers tend to idolize and romanticize Europe as an utopia and it just isn't. It's certainly better and more advanced than us in many ways, but it's no more immune to hatred, bigotry and prejudice than anyplace else.

[NYC Liberal]

39. These nutjobs are the extreme fringe.

So while they are an embarrassment to sane, thinking Americans (even the few conservatives who fall into that group), they aren't the majority...they aren't even a sizable minority.

[JustAnotherGen]

56. Not the left Americans

:rofl: Reframe it as the RepubIndyTeabaggers in America! :rofl:

Welcome to Du! :-)

[rufus dog]

17. Not that it matters

Close to the same age as Obama and there is NO WAY in hell that I could produce a certificate.

BTW, I see about 100 pastors signed a letter saying to back off, he is a Christian if he says so.

Looked down the list of names and Rick Warren was not included.

[Roselma]

19. not all Christian sects

require baptism. Even so, remember how upset conservatives were about Rev. Wright's church. They accused Obama of sanctioning everything Wright ever said, and pointed out that Wright baptized Obama's daughters.

[hedgehog]

23. Shoot, Rev. Wright ain't nothin to boast about. My second son was

baptized by a pedophile priest!

[hedgehog]

20. Just a wild ass guess, but I would expect to find that Obama

was indeed baptized at a UCC Church and may even have been given a nice certificate which he promptly lost. Catholic Churches make a big deal about recording baptisms; it's my guess there is a written record somewhere.

The real question is just when did production of a birth certificate and a baptismal certificate become a requirement for office?

On edit - all six of my kids were baptized, received First Penance, First Communion and confirmed. That's a potential 24 certificates, but I couldn't tell you where a single one is. I'm not even certain I ever received the baptismal certificates. I do know where their baptism candles are. My daughter used hers at her wedding.

[rug]

21. It's a good thing he's not Jewish. They'd want him to produce his foreskin.

[6000eliot]

22. Fuck them all!

Why do people take this shit seriously?

[hedgehog]

26. Yeah - the real question should be does Obama say

"forgive us our trespasses" or "forgive us our debts" when saying the Lord's Prayer? And does he cross himself with two fingers signifying the two natures of Jesus Christ or 3 fingers signifying the Trinity? Does he begin the Creed with "I believe" or "We believe"? 1662 or 1928 Book of Common Prayer? King James or Jerusalem Bible?

[liberalhistorian]

53. LOL!

Unfortunately, that is, indeed, how some of my fellow Christians will act, as if such ridiculous divisiveness is what the church is supposed to be. Bleh.

[whathehell]

44. Just a hunch, but...

My guess would be that they don't think it's "shit".

OTOH, your's was probably a rhetorical question:hi:

[Kweli4Real]

57. Agreed ...

I have to give President Obama credit, though. I would have reached the "F@$& you. I ain't giving you S@#$. Now what?" stage about 18 months ago.

[tridim]

24. Imagine no religion.

It's destroying everything, especially minds.

Does anyone care about the Constitution any more?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Religious_Test_Clause

[Prophet 451]

31. Can we stop pretending this has anything to do with certificates of any kind?

It's about Obama's race and always has been.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Race and letter after his name

double whammy

[whathehell]

46. Agreed...Although I'd give it a slight tweak..

His race AND his party affiliation...They gave Bill Clinton loads of shit too, although I agree that his race (and the Muslim middle name) makes him enemy #1 in their eyes...

All garbage that's being happily stoked by the RW PTB.

[AC_Mem]

49. Prophet 451

You hit the nail on the head.

[liberalhistorian]

37. W.T.F.??? Facepalm. Head on desk.

Head bang against wall.

OK, that's it. They have officially jumped the fucking shark. And so has anyone who even gives this a nanopellet of rat shit of credibility.

[LeftishBrit]

42. Well, I'm just a bloody foreigner, but I've read your Constitution...

and doesn't it say something about not having any religious tests for office?

[fifthoffive]

54. Of course, you're right

But in the U.S.A. the Constitution has very little to do with politics.

I fear we're headed into a very nasty theocracy war. There is a serious attempt to use Christianity not only as a political test, but as a citizenship test. Hopefully this attempt will fail.

[DailyGrind51]

43. When THEY provide W's DUI arrest report!

[whistler162]

47. A certificate for being baptized as a adult? REALLLLY!!!!

maybe some churches would but not that many.

[AC_Mem]

48. Right Wing Religious Insanity

Leave the man's faith alone Kincaid!

My God but they are throwing a tantrum over this aren't they. They should make sure that their own life is clean before they criticize another over being a Christian because history shows that the ones who rant the loudest usually have the most to hide themselves.

EVERYTHING about this right-wing, conservative argument over the President's faith goes against the teachings of Christianity. This behavior over the President's faith, the right to build a place of worship, etc. has done more to turn me away from Christianity than any other incident in my lifetime.

Geesh.

[Ganja Ninja]

51. "Where is the baptism certificate? We do not see one because ...

Because it's none of your fucking business that's why. And if he was to produce one they would claim it was a fake so what's the use.

Sometimes the right answer to a question is simply "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on!"

[Flying Squirrel]

58. I think it should be obvious that he wasn't baptized.

There would be hideous burns all over his head wherever the holy water had touched it.

:sarcasm:

[Generic Brad]

59. Not unless they show theirs first

This nonsense has to have some boundaries.