Fox News thinks Bush should be given credit

[SargeUNN]

Ed Shultz just reported that Fox News is asking if Obama will give credit for the removal of combat troops from Iraq. Isn't it interesting with the failure of Katrina, starting 2 wars of choice, taking us to the brink of the worse depression in decades, and these freaks want him to get the credit for something he DID NOT do.

[Dawson Leery]

1. Andrea Greenspan Mitchell thinks the same thing too.

[Incitatus]

2. Yes, if he hadn't sent them there in the first place, Obama wouldn't have been able to remove them.

:sarcasm:

[T Wolf]

3. Have to wonder what, if anything, Obama will say along these lines. I would not put it past him

to give georgie some credit.

More appealing-to-the-reich bullshit.

As his administration goes along, I more and more strongly believe that we have been totally played, conned into thinking this man was going to bring about positive changes and a reversal of the policies of the past 30 years.

Never again.

[KansDem]

4. Why?

Bush didn't remove troops from Iraq. Why give him credit?

What is their reasoning?

[empleh]

5. hey everyone! new to the site but loving it! :)

To answer your question, from what I hear is that bush is the one who negociated the original
Timetable to get combat troops out in 2010. I doubt he did, but that's what I have heard. And something about the surge working.

[AsahinaKimi]

6. Welcome to DU

Republicans will take credit for all the good stuff, and blame Obama for the bad. They are just the party of "No".

[JuniperLea]

11. Welcome to DU...

There was no "victory" so I really don't get why Bush should be credited with anything... except for getting us into a senseless war to begin with.

[empleh]

18. thanks! and i agree!

[madamesilverspurs]

14. It's baaaaaack.................

[JuniperLea]

17. Channeling that poor little possessed girl too!

Not to be confused with the possessed president with the similar name.

[Vickers]

23. Where did you hear that foolishness?

:shrug:

[Sinistrous]

25. Some relevant facts here:

"Pardon me for introducing a little bit of fact onto cable news over these 24 hours, but the reality is there was no success of the surge. The fact is that Bush's policy in Iraq caused massive destabilization, led to a civil war that killed upwards of a million Iraqis; there were ethnic cleansing campaigns. When the surge troops went in there, Baghdad was a walled-off city, the Sunnis had been pushed out and sided with the United States, Muqtada al Sadr responded to the announced timetable for withdrawal that the neo-cons so opposed by saying he considered it a truce with American and pulled his forces off the street... So, the entire surge myth permeates to this day, and its actually one big lie."

- Jeremy Scahill, appearing on Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann, Sep. 1, 2010

[wmbrew0206]

7. The reasoning is that Bush went ahead with the Surge while Biden and Obama were against it.

The Surge is what is credited with allowing the removal of most combat troops, hence they want Obama to give Bush credit for it.

[JuniperLea]

16. Who exactly is giving the surge credit for anything?

I'm not hearing this from the Generals.

:shrug:

[wmbrew0206]

21. A lot of generals and experts have all given the Surge credit for the draw down in Iraq.

I think a challenge would be to find a general that has not said this.

Petreaus and Ordinario both credit the Surge for what is happening in Iraq right not.

To be fair, it was a combination of the Surge and the Awakening that is allowing the draw down.

[activa8tr]

8. Fox News and "reasoning" in the same sentence?

I don't think they go there!

[Winterblues]

20. Actually Bush* did sign the paperwork for the removal of troops on this date.

Obama did not do anything other than follow the law that was put into place by Bush* If we want to be fair we have to be fair..

[wmbrew0206]

9. This was a question that was repeatedly asked to Gibbs by reporters, whether Obama would credit Bush

for the removal of combat troops during his Oval Office address tonight. I don't think it was just Fox reporters asking it.

[spinbaby]

10. I think he should get credit...

"I'd like to give George W. Bush credit for starting the war in Iraq, for turning a natural disaster into a human catastrophe, for looting our economy..."

[JuniperLea]

12. Bush should be given credit!

I think Obama should say something like...

GW Bush lied to us and got us into this God forsaken war, and for that he deserves full credit. Yes, he had evil henchmen like Cheney and Asscroft egging him on, but he was President, and the buck stops there, so he gets full credit.

[Renew Deal]

13. Bush and McCain wanted troops in Iraq for eternity

So I don't get what he deserves credit for.

[Bitwit1234]

15. I'm confused...credit for what. Putting on a flight suit with

and over sized jock strap and jumping out of an airplane yelling Mission Accomplished about 3 or 4 years ago, while the Iraq War raged on. Oh hell yeah give him credit for that.

[chowder66]

19. It's like giving credit to ......

a person who pulls the bullet out of the person they shot...or how about this....giving credit to an attempted murderer for not actually succeeding in murdering the victim....good job, you didn't kill them as you intended!

What a fucking world.

[wmbrew0206]

22. I know I am going to take hell for this but here goes

Honestly, Obama should give Bush credit for the draw down in Iraq, just as we can "thank him" for being there in the first place. We can all agree that we should not have been there in the first place but once we broke it, we bought it. Bush took a lot of heat in '06 and '07 for ordering the Surge and a lot of politicians, including Obama, Pelosi, Biden, and Reid, all went on record saying it was not going to work. The Surge, along with the Awakening, did work and it allowed for the conditions on the ground right now to allow us to pull out most of the combat troops. The draw down you are seeing now was already in place before Obama was elected. I think Obama had a couple additional units added to the withdraw, but the plan the Bush team put in place before they left is still the one being followed.

Obama is NOT going to give Bush any credit during his speech tonight. There is just too much politics wrapped around the Surge to allow him to do it. I can almost guarantee that Pelosi's has told Obama that she does not want to hear anything positive regarding Bush or the Surge, since she came out hard against it and tried not to fund it. Same with Reid, and his "this war is lost comment." Democrats don't need the President reminding the public that they all were on the wrong side of the Surge, especially getting close to an election. I think he is going to keep it pretty bland and will spend a lot of time praising the troops and talking about what the Iraqi government needs to do going forward.

[HopeHoops]

24. I'll give him credt - for getting thousands of our troops killed and countless Iraqi citizens killed

There are groups trying (like Iraqi Body Count), but they're only logging the cases they can document. The raw incineration cases sometimes don't leave much, if anything, to work with.

[Octafish]

26. Give Bush credit, then put him in irons.

After his prosecution on charges of treason he can be remanded to The Hague where he should answer to the charges of war crimes.