Gibbs speaks the full and absolute truth

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

A post of this story was locked previously for comparing Gibbs to Condaleeza Rice. My error in doing so has been made clear to me and is repaired herein. It was said that I could repost if I didn't compare Gibss to Condi.

Understood.

Gibbs is nothing like Condi. Not at all.

A WH official saying that "nobody" in January 2009 understood how bad the economy was is in no way comparable to Condaleeza Rice's famous statement that "nobody" could have imagined planes being flown into buildings. The two are obviously totally different things... no point of similarity.

I wish to apologize to the entire DU community for my coarse treatment of Robert Gibbs. We should all learn something from Robert Gibbs about candor and decency. When he says that "nobody" had an understanding of how bad the economy was he speaks a vital truth that we all must accept and understand.

Yes, there were thousands of people who had an excellent grasp of how bad the economy was and proposed and demanded needed steps... but they are nobodies. Their views cannot reasonably be considered in assessing the truth or sense of Gibbs' comments.

Asked if the stimulus bill was too small, Gibbs says: "I think it makes sense to step back just for a second. ... Nobody had, in January of 2009, a sufficient grasp of ... what we were facing." He adds that any stimulus was "unlikely to fill" the hole the financial meltdown created.

Some wreckers and counter-revolutionries have written vicious disinformation blog posts in which the suggest that Gibbs was not being truthful. We must familiarize ourselves with the ideologically flawed enemy within. All should henceforth boycott Paul Krugman and boomantribune.com for these scandalous postings:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/30/nobody
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2010/8/30/14590/0718

[dkf]

1. Lol.

Too funny. Can't believe you got busted for that.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

2. Forgot your sarcasm tag.

We need a HUGE JOBS PROGRAM, like the WPA, as Krugman has said. The economists will not advocate, nor will the government do, what works. Keynesian investment of government in infrastructure to get the economy going and give people jobs. It's about demand, NOT supply. The supply siders have it exactly backwards. The way to create demand is to give people jobs so they have money to spend.

It's simple but nobody with any power wants to do it.

We need a new Roosevelt.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. You're making a huge assumption here.

You're assuming that the welfare of the Nobodies matters to anybody of significance. That is true only in a sort of inverse sense, in that the less money the poor have, the more there is available for the rich.

Things are going along just fine, thank you. The rich are extracting wealth from the nobodies at an unprecedented rate. Why would anybody want to upset this particular apple cart?

Andrew Mellon, Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury, understood these issues clearly when he pointed out that depressions are merely those times when wealth flows back to its natural owners.

[Steely_Dan]

8. Yep! Been saying this for weeks... n/t

[pnorman]

24. "We need a new Roosevelt"

below is what FDR had going for him when he first took office \in March 1933:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FDR
1932 election: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_election
1932 Electoral Map: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/ElectoralCollege1932.svg

His equivalent of "Blue Dogs" ("Southern Democrats") were "loyal" to him until 1937~1938, and a significant faction of the Republican Party supported him in Congress! Without all that, FDR would have been DEAD IN THE WATER!

[msongs]

3. professional leftists are gonna ruin everything lol nt

[Bluebear]

4. Did you go for your drug test & realize the error of your ways?

[Jackpine Radical]

7. I think he's one of the first graduates of the new

Obama Political Re-education Camp.

He now understands the wonderful Rahm-fications of Correct Thought.

[sce56]

14. +99

[leftstreet]

26. LOL

!!

[Matariki]

6. rec'd for the clever rewrite

;-)

[woo me with science]

16. Recommended also.

Excellent rewrite. And a sheesh on your behalf.

[philly_bob]

25. Rhetorical Jiu-Jitsu. Nicely done.

from Wikipedia: Jiu-Jitsu "teaches that a smaller, weaker person can successfully defend against a bigger, stronger assailant by using leverage and proper technique"

[Barack2theFuture]

9. 'the ideologically flawed enemy within'--be ever vigilant

no similarity whatsoever.

I mean, how could anybody have known?

Really.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Hey Gibbs, bite me

many of us who do get economics screamed at HOW SMALL THE FUCKING STIM WAS.

Yes feel free to google my posts on this.

To paraphrase myself, it is something but not enough.

[glitch]

11. He means nobody advising this administration had sufficient grasp of what we were facing.

Must he spell it out? He's burning Treasury. :evilgrin:

[Raine]

12. Good one! nt

:thumbsup:

[OHdem10]

13. This is where I have a question. Shortly after the 2006 election-

when the Democrats had won big, Senator Schumer, NY held
hearing in the Senate. At that hearing the witnesses
testifying were Larry Sommers, Robert Rubin, Alan Blinder\
and a Professor from the University of Chicago(cannot remember
his name.


Subject: State of the Union from Democratic Perspective.

The picture was a very grim one of Americans facing Job
Dislocation. The Dislocation would occur accross all
groups including Professionals. In other words we are
facing 40 Million people losing their jobs.

Rubing, Blinder and Sommers all testified to this, admitting
that the Globalization and Trade Policies had not worked
out as people had planned or hoped.

I do not remember that Obama attended this hearing.
However, I find it hard to imagine such a dismal
outlook would not have been discussed within the Democratic
Party.

My question is: Why have they not connected the dots.
They continue to act as if all this joblessness was
caused by the Housing Market and Banking Meltdown.
The Banking Disaster just hit the right switch to bring
on this Globalization Crisis at a much faster rate.

IMO, we seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room.
Correcting the Banking Crisis, even the Housing Crisis
is not going to solve the Globalization Crisis( extreme
joblessness). This told me from the beginning the stimulus
should have been much larger.

Explaining that the stimulus is a means of keeping the
economy going--money circulating throughout the economy
to stave off Depression. Stimulus is never intended to
produce permanent jobs. People work at Stimulus provided
jobs until the real economy picks up steam and starts hiring.
Permitting the GOP to get out in front and scream --stimulus
did not create jobs--shows GOP does not understand Stimulus
and the Democrats lack courage to get out push back
explaining precisely to the country what is going on.

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[Robeson]

17. Historical revisionism. It's not for republicans only.

[bvar22]

18. Well Done...worth a K&R

YES!
I remember clearly.
NOBODY said that the stimulus was too small and poorly targeted.
NOBODY!
.
.
.
and Obama didn't campaign on a Public Option either!

[xchrom]

19. Lol - no not kindasleezy - too ari for that. Nt

[gratuitous]

20. Warn, warn, warn, warn, rewarded with ridicule

Then, a year or two or five down the line, when the warnings have come true, we're treated to "nobody could have foreseen" or "why didn't anybody see this coming?" Almost makes this hippie want to do a little punching back, you know?

[Fumesucker]

21. Anyone who could so much as suggest that Gibbs is anything like Rice should be drug tested..

And then sent for reeducat... err. I mean rehabilitation since they are clearly un-serious and non-centrist professional leftists in addition to being cognitively challenged.

[PufPuf23]

22. Limiting to the Finance Industry

here is an "open door" even with the Financial Reform and enforcement that allows the segments of the financial industry to bleed capital and liquidity out of total market capitalization at no risk and call this profit when canabalism.

Ms. Rice used plausible deniabilty to firewall her position from aggressive international adventures for control of natural resources and ideology.

So comparing Gibbs to Rice is apples and oranges and could be trivial and you are within the realm of reminder by mods.

The stimulus should have been bigger and at the bottom by direct federal employment in infrastructure, education, research, and arts and culture; not from the top or by tax regressive cuts.

There is no "correct size of federal government: in times of war and recession or depression, Federal employeement and social safety net should be high while in times of peace and prosperity, there is no reason that larger government leads to security and freedom.


Blah blah lol at myself for idealism and expectations.

[katandmoon]

23. K&R. Gibbs becomes more of a joke by the day.

[Kalun D]

27. The $700 Billion Dollar Question Is

""He adds that any stimulus was "unlikely to fill" the hole the financial meltdown created.""

Who intentionally fabricated the "financial meltdown"? Those appointed to key positions of banking oversight within the Obama White House perhaps?

[GeorgeGist]

28. That reminds me of my first reaction to Obama.

His first official act as Senator was to vote to confirm Condaleeza Rice as Secretary of State. Dim bulb.

[GeorgeGist]

That reminds me of my first reaction to Obama.

His first official act as Senator was to vote to confirm Condaleeza Rice as Secretary of State. Dim bulb.

[GeorgeGist]

29. That reminds me of my first reaction to Obama.

His first official act as Senator was to vote to confirm Condaleeza Rice as Secretary of State. Dim bulb.