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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:50 PM
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Holding ancient documents, like oh the First Inaugural
Given that I have gone through a LOT of primary sources from the sixteenth, seventeenth, and on documents... here is a hint about these things.

Usually, IF you are given access to the document, the people actually doing the handling WEAR nice cotton gloves, thin gloves, to keep grease and other natural oils off the damn document. There is more, a few places require a mouth piece too.

I suspect most of Beck's listeners have never been in front, or handled some documents. Why I prefer and I love the fact that we are digitizing so many of these, whether this is a diary, a presidential address, the five letters of Cortes to the King... or just a bill of sale. Digital copies can and should be handled to your heart's content... but LEAVE THE DAMN ORIGINALS where they can be protected!

Oh and in real life I met a Beck head, who started to lecture me on US History... now that as funny... in it's own way.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:52 PM
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1. Where did you go through the documents?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:55 PM
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3. Central Archives in Mexico City when I was doing my thesis
I actually held in my hands a lot of 17th century Inquisition papers... as well as a few diaries. I have a 19th century transcript of those papers too.

The letters of Cortez, found them at SDSU in digital form... they have about 1\3 of the Mexican National Archives in microfilm. It is a pain to go through them... damn screen will give you a headache, and the "photocopies" are not necessarily clear... but I prefer that than actually handling the originals.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:53 PM
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2. Is there a context here?
I missed whatever post or news story or whatever that you must be referencing, and I'm very interested to know just what that is.

Thanks.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:57 PM
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4. Beck claims that he held Washington's first Inaugural
in his hands at the National Archives during the Beckalooza Saturday. OF course the National Archives called him on it. They don't allow just anybody, not even one given a VIP tour, access to the actual document. Nor should they do that. And most working historians will do well with digital copies.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:35 PM
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8. Thank you.
I also just watched Keith Olbermann and got it.

No TV here, so I get my news from various sources on the internet, and just now heard the story.

On a similar note, a woman I know is horrified that the appraisers on Antiques Roadshow never use cotton gloves or such to handle old documents and other things.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 12:51 AM
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14. I have yet to see anything there
that qualifies for that treatment... no, not any 200 year old document that I have ever seen. But if they do, they should.

Taht said, I have a couple books here, printed during WW II on news print that I should take to the rare books collection. They need that kind of treatment.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 09:59 PM
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5. Beck is such a LIAR
Damn the archivists tore him a new one. :rofl:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:05 PM
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6. And the local beck fan
was ahem, lecturing me this morning about US History. SO I decided to play a game of let's see who knowns the Constitution, since well Beck is a Scholar and we liberal 'storians, hide them facts.

So I asked this guy what was the third amendment, and why it is mostly no longer active...

He said that I hated the right to bear arms. SO I reached out for my copy and opened it. Went, my, you forgot the second? Here, third, quartering troops at home... yep, been a while since we did any of that... and it is the not very well known Third.

Then I asked a few more OBSCURE questions... no fair, just finished readying it AGAIN... I know.

Then I asked him... if he knew what Deism was... it was fun... then closed with Beck knowns nothing about US History and he's telling you lies. He walked away grumbling so'thing 'bout them damn liberals. His friends though started asking some really good questions... twenty minutes of teaching colonial history... it was weird.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:33 PM
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7. This isn't Beck's first lie...
I've been through this situation with Beckerheads, and found that their obeisance to the cult of personality prohibits them form engaging their higher functions. But I love my brother, anyway.
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:41 PM
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10. A cult ahhh!
BRING OUT TO KOOL-AID!!
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 12:24 AM
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12. With his religous calling, yes Beck is head of a cult. n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-02-10 12:49 AM
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13. Why Keith has been making fun of
his holiness, the Archbishop Beck... and other names... beckoresh...
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:39 PM
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9. He's such a lier
Even most people who are highly trained to handle historical documents don't even get to hold items of such important historical value.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-01-10 10:50 PM
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11. That sounds like a good idea.
I keep getting pizza sauce smears on achieved documents...


LOL


I find that funny. :rofl:
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