Biden voted for the Bankruptcy bill

[LSK]

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00044

Now watch this thread sink like a rock because its not about comments about Obama.

[Mandate My Ass]

1. didn't he actually sponsor it?

IIRC, he also voted against any and all of the amendments that would have allowed, elderly, vets, the seriously ill from being exempt. :puke:

[Mass]

2. More because we all know that already.

Nobody is surprised, and this is probably one of the reasons why he is not well liked in the first place.

[saltpoint]

3. Biden represents a tall pile of banking interests in Delaware.

I'm sure they notified his office that they'd like his vote on that one.

I'd prefer senators to vote the way I want them to 100% of the time, and as well, Biden isn't my first choice for the nomination anyway, but in this particular case I think he would have paid a political price for opposing the bill.

Just a pragmatic glance at another state's senator.

[Tatiana]

4. Yeah, I see your point. It's like Illinois and ethanol. n/t

[LynneSin]

6. Or Louisiana and Oil, Arkansas and Wal-Mart

You can't go 10 feet without running into someone who works for the banking industry or related to someone who works for the banking industry here in Delaware ESPECIALLY northern DE where the bulk of the liberal votes come from.

The bill sucks but I hav no clue what else to say cause oddly enough - I work for the banking industry

[Deep13]

5. yes he did.

[E-Z-B]

7. Yes, I will never forget that.

[Supersedeas]

23. Neither will I.

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. yes he did and that's just ONE reason I would never vote for him in the primary.

He'll never win the nomination anyway. I don't have to worry about having to vote for the jerk in the General election.

[jwirr]

9. Years ago he might have been able to win but he cannot now.

I also have a thing about the presently elected democratic officials running for president. We need to hold the congress much more than we need a president, although we could use both. If running for president means putting a seat we now hold in danger in 2008 I do not want them to run. I felt only relief when John Kerry said he would use the power he now has to fight the good fight.

[tblue]

11. And the answer to that is 'Gore/Clark '08'.' I dare anybody to come up with a better ticket

[mcscajun]

10. A good reminder for any who've forgotten.

I wrote to Biden at the time, telling I never would forget, but would remember when this time came.

His candidacy is stillborn in my eyes, and was even before his ill-considered remarks on Obama.

[Nutmegger]

12. KICKing

because this is an important reminder. We need to remember which Dems stand with the credit card companies, and which don't.

[ellenfl]

13. he was covering his butt. he DOES come from the

'credit card state'. not that i am excusing him but florida senators vote against offshore drilling and for other issues of particular interest to this state. i would not expect joe biden to vote against the interests of his state, even when i disagree.

unfortunately, some florida legislators also voted for the bankruptcy bill. them i will not excuse. they have no skin in that game.

ellen fl

[AzDar]

14. The 'Bankruptcy Bill' was/is egregious, no matter which state you rep.

:puke:, indeed.

[librechik]

15. So did Hillary and Obama. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

16. that was my next thought

Thanks for nothing Hillary and Obama. I think I'll strike all of these names as possibilities for the next President! :mad:

:kick:

[LSK]

17. no they did not

Did you check the link in my OP?

:shrug:

[librechik]

18. you're right--thanks for the correction

I had heard Obama voted yes on that.

[OhioChick]

19. Hillary did

in 2001.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0316-03.htm

[Poiuyt]

20. Yes, but what does his house look like?

[RiverStone]

21. Quick question?

I have heard other DUers refer to the BAD choice some DEMS made by voting for this - - - second in stupidity to voting YES on the IWR.

Can someone please share in just a few sentences why this was a BAD vote for We The People?

I'm in no way defending the vote, I'm simply trying to learn a little about it; since the nuances of banking tend to escape my not-into-the world-of-business mind.

Thanks! :)

[LSK]

22. off the top of my head, theres no exceptions for medical bills debt

[mcscajun]

24. Key problems with the current Bankruptcy statutes resulting from the bill passed in 2005

An overwhelming number of bankruptcies today are caused by crushing medical bills, not irresponsible borrowing. Many more are caused by job loss of one or more wage-earners in the family.

The new law swept away many consumer protections, including exemptions for serving military and the elderly...oh, but they left quite a few loopholes for the wealthy in it (gee what a surprise!) :sarcasm:

And the same people who were forced to declare bankruptcy through no fault of their own? They get insult added to injury by having to endure mandatory "credit counseling" sessions, in which they get lectured like misbehaving children. Again, if you'd been irresponsible about your borrowing, this would make sense, but shaming a wage earner who's paid their bills all along, but is not crushed under the weight of a spouse's or child's critical care bills, and who may have lost his/her job in the process? Reprehensible.

Digging a little deeper, you'll also find that there are "means tests" which now limit the ability of most people to file Chapter 7 liquidations; forcing them instead to file a Chapter 13 wage earner plan bankruptcy. Just the costs for filing and pursuing a Chapter 13 is vastly more costly than a Chapter 7. Chapter 13s obligate the filer to make a judicially ordered monthly payment for 3 to 5 years -- doesn't matter if you can live on what's left or not. And don't forget that "credit counseling" which will instruct you on how to live on your drastically reduced means.

This isn't debt relief, this isn't getting out from under, this is "I owe my soul to the company store."

[RiverStone]

25. Great overview...which leads me to ask...

Why then, would any true DEM support such a bill which clearly puts big money's interest ahead of the peoples' best interest? How could (or was) a vote for this justified?

Thanks mcscajun for the enlightenment. :)

[mcscajun]

26. Justified? I don't believe anyone actually gave us any justification.

We just yelled and screamed our heads off, faxed, called and mailed till our fingers bled, and they just ignored us.

There was a list of those who sold us out to their corporate interests at the time...it's around here on DU somewhere.

You're welcome.