Obama Has Come Home to Dem Party..Speech! If Rahm Leaves can we get Howard Dean In?

[KoKo]

If not Dean then Ed Rendel or would any Progressive support Michael Bloomburg?

Seems the MSM is ABUZZ with Rahm Leaving and WHO will replace him. These were the choices put up on Matthew's Show.

What do You All Think?

I would wish for Howard Dean to replace Rahm...but that ain't gonna happen so next choice is Ed Rendell.

But, the BUSINESS COMMUNITY wants BLOOMBERG....because they think he's the "Cat's Meow."

So...What say You?
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BTW: THIS OBAMA SPEECH TODAY was FAR BETTER THAN that THING...where he said.."They talk about me like a dog!" and where he sounded like an interview with a Football Star with his rhetoric.

GO OBAMA...I HOPE TO HELL YOU GOT YOUR "MO JO" BACK...because we DEMS ON THE LEFT HAVE BEEN TRASHED and we are HURTING because of comments against us from your henchmen. :cry:

GLAD TO SEE YOU BACK! WILL YOU STICK TO YOUR GUNS ON THIS ONE...or is it "Smoke and Mirrors?"

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Dean? They guy who's upset about the "mosque at ground zero?"

Rahm's a better dem than Dean.

[Radical Activist]

*snort*

Now you're just asking for it.

[DesertFlower]

2. i also like dean, but rendell probably be good.

[Radical Activist]

3. Has Dean shown special skill at managing staff or passing bills in Congress?

The fact that Dean still has a big fan club who hate Rahm doesn't necessarily make him the best person for that particular job. Whatever else people think about Rahm, it's smart to have someone who knows how to work Congress, and that's something Dean has almost no direct experience doing.

[KoKo]

12. It's Biden's Job to Usher Bills through Congress/Senate...Dean is the Pulse of American Dems

and that's what a Chief-of-Staff needs to do. WORK FOR THE DEM PARTY...!

[Radical Activist]

15. It's the job of Obama and his entire administration to get bills passed

not any one person. I don't think being the "pulse of the American Dems" is in any job description and I trust Obama to do a better job of that than Dean anyway.
Dean is good at putting his ear to the ground and telling the netroots what they want to hear, but I don't believe that's what Obama needs in a CoS.

[KoKo]

16. No...you pick you KEY PEOPLE who can "GET THE JOB DONE" to get

Congress/Senate to pass your STUFF!

[Radical Activist]

18. Yes, people like Rahm.

[KoKo]

27. If Rahm is SO GOOD why does he have to behave like Schoolyard Bully?

He called Netroots Activists..."YOU FUCKING RETARDS" and, I suspect he goaded Gibbs into calling the Progressives of Dem Party..."Professional Liberals and told us to get DRUG TESTED."

Do you condone these antics? Didn't we see this same crap from BUSH II? Why do we need to take this SHIT? You think we have no power? Our POWER IS OUR VOTE! In case you forgot what we are about.

[Radical Activist]

30. If he's so bad then why do you have to spread dishonest spin about what he said?

He called a specific tactic proposed by a single organization "fucking retarded." He didn't direct any such comment at netroots activists in general. That's a dishonest distortion. I don't condone manipulative tactics used to stoke anger and childish grudges.

[KoKo]

31. Give me links..so we can have a discussion...I never see Posts from YOU!

Instead, it seems the "behind the bushes" stealth attack, contortions is your MO!

The links of Rahm and Gibbs have been posted over and over on DU...yet you pretend that someone is distorting their comments. You don't seem to be able to ever post anything defending your postition...yet you don't read enough to be literate on the issue...because what is posted is from something "else."

You've been OUTED...FESS UP! LOL's

[Radical Activist]

37. Waaah?

I corrected you on a popular lie that's often repeated. It exposes you for irresponsibly spreading a false rumor. How exactly does it expose me? Expose me as what? lol Do you think I'm posting naked? :crazy:

In case you really don't know, I did the google search for you to find the actual original story. As I wrote, he made a comment about a specific tactic.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703808904575025030384695158.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines#printMode

Not "them." Not "liberals." Not "the netroots." He said it about a specific tactic which he had just heard about.

It was not a general insult at the netroots. The people who told you otherwise were lying to stoke the old grudge people have against Rahm. For example, this headline at FDL was written by a fucking liar.

Rahm Emanuel: Liberals Are “F–king Retarded”
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/01/26/rahm-emanuel-liberals-are-f-king-retarded/

You were successfully manipulated by their stupid bullshit.

[KoKo]

39. Yes...You "Post Naked!"

GASP...

Should we all run out of the water NOW or wait......duh, duh, duh, duh da! (Symphonic cue for JAWS)

Sorry..but, you really don't seem to get it...because you are not "of us."

Quote from you: "It exposes you for irresponsibly spreading a false rumor. How exactly does it expose me? Expose me as what? lol Do you think I'm posting naked?"

BTW...there is a charming quality about you...naked.

[Radical Activist]

41. So you're not going to apologize for spreadig a falsehood?

You see, the difference between us isn't ideological. I'm very left. I don't know what you describe yourself as. The difference between us is that I have a strong bullshit detector. I'm not so easily manipulated by some blog that lies to people or by some candidate who wants us to believe he's liberal just because he stole a line from Paul Wellstone.

[KoKo]

42. Yep...here it is...How GRITTY can RAHM GET to TRASH the Left of his PARTY!

YOUR SOURCE from the Wall Street Journal:


The friction was laid bare in August when Mr. Emanuel showed up at a weekly strategy session featuring liberal groups and White House aides. Some attendees said they were planning to air ads attacking conservative Democrats who were balking at Mr. Obama's health-care overhaul.

"F—ing retarded," Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to several participants. He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items.

The antipathy reflects deep dissatisfaction on the Democratic left with Mr. Obama's first year in office, and represents a fracturing of the relationship between the president and the political base that mobilized to elect him. A little more than one year ago, Mr. Obama's victory led some to predict an era of Democratic dominance.

The anger on the left shows that Mr. Obama is caught in an internal battle over both the course of his administration and the Democratic Party.

Many in the party, particularly in the wake of the loss last week of a Massachusetts Senate seat, contend that the White House should chart a centrist approach focusing on the economy. They point to polls showing Mr. Obama's approval rating among independent voters has dropped by nearly 20 percentage points since early last year.

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Post from YOU from FIREDOGLAKE:

Rahm Emanuel: Liberals Are “F–king Retarded”
By: Jane Hamsher Tuesday January 26, 2010 8:44 am

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One thing you find out pretty quickly when dealing with beltway press is that Rahm Emanuel is a source for most of them, and that they’re generally unwilling to criticize him lest they blow up one of their best sources of White House spin. So, it’s rare that a journalist (in this case the Wall Street Journal’s Peter Wallsten, recently arrived from the LA Times) runs a non-lapdog profile.

Most amusing to me was the fact that he finally got the goods about Rahm’s famous Veal Pen tirade, when Rahm showed up at the Common Purpose meeting and lambasted the liberal interest groups because MoveOn was running radio ads against Blue Dogs. Previously it had been reported that Rahm called them “f*#king stupid,” even though the scuttlebut was that Rahm said they were “f*#king retards.” It’s a tight-lipped crowd to penetrate, and nobody wants to get zapped from the meetings for talking to the press. But Wallsten managed to get the story:

The friction was laid bare in August when Mr. Emanuel showed up at a weekly strategy session featuring liberal groups and White House aides. Some attendees said they were planning to air ads attacking conservative Democrats who were balking at Mr. Obama’s health-care overhaul.

“F—ing retarded,” Mr. Emanuel scolded the group, according to several participants. He warned them not to alienate lawmakers whose votes would be needed on health care and other top legislative items.

Yesterday a journalist asked me if I thought Rahm was a “tough guy,” because he’s hearing many people say that he’s actually shallow and weak. I pointed him to this famous story:

he definitive Rahm Emanuel story takes place in Little Rock, Ark., in the heady days after Bill Clinton was first elected President.

It was there that Emanuel, then Clinton’s chief fund-raiser, repaired with George Stephanopoulos, Mandy Grunwald and other aides to Doe’s, the campaign hangout. Revenge was heavy in the air as the group discussed the enemies – Democrats, Republicans, members of the press – who wronged them during the 1992 campaign. Clifford Jackson, the ex-friend of the President and peddler of the Clinton draft-dodging stories, was high on the list. So was William Donald Schaefer, then the Governor of Maryland and a Democrat who endorsed George Bush. Nathan Landow, the fund-raiser who backed the candidacy of Paul Tsongas, made it, too.

Suddenly Emanuel grabbed his steak knife and, as those who were there remeber it, shouted out the name of another enemy, lifted the knife, then brought it down with full force into the table.

”Dead!” he screamed.

That’s not “tough.”

[Radical Activist]

43. Right. And... Did you notice how FDL twisted it into something Rahm didn't say?

That was the point. Read harder. He never called the netroots fucking retarded. Are you going to apologize for your mistake and spreading the lie or not?

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[caledesi]

4. They hate Dean....I love him! Bloomberg is good. nt

[KoKo]

20. Tell me why you think Bloomberg is Good.

I read a lot of Financial Sites on the Net and Wall St. seems to be pushing him HEAVY!

Why do you think he's good?

Can we get a discussion...or will it be some damned "FLAME FEST?"

WHY Bloomberg over Howard Dean? Pro's and Con's?

:shrug:

[lamp_shade]

5. I hope it's just a rumor.

[xultar]

6. Buhwawawawawawawa? He hasn't changed. This is election acting

They cannot stand Dean. This is an obvious rumor.

[montanacowboy]

8. Ha! that's a big roger for sure

he can turn it on when it suits his needs -

[xultar]

10. If this isn't a Fool me once...Fool me twice situation I don't know

what would qualify

What are we on Fool me 10,00000

[WorseBeforeBetter]

36. Are people really this gullible?

Oh, wait.

[Radical Activist]

7. Richard M. Daley

I hear he's tired of his current job. :evilgrin:

[kentuck]

9. That f'n professional leftist ??

:-)

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[kentuck]

13. Welcome to the club, KoKo...

I noticed.

[Radical Activist]

21. Who is attacking you?

Just because someone disagrees doesn't mean it's an attack. Dean/Rahm threads are always controversial on DU. You know that.

If you don't want a negative response then don't start by calling people "henchmen," giving back-handed compliments, and questioning Obama's sincerity.

[Arkana]

14. I think perhaps we should find someone with skill at managing Congress.

You don't hire Suzie Cream Cheese to be your CoS--you want a hard-bitten asshole who doesn't need to be polled on because everyone already hates him.

To quote Josh Lyman: "President Bartlet's a good man. He's got a good heart. He doesn't hold grudges. That's what he pays me for."

[kentuck]

17. I think this Congress sort of goes the way the wind blows...

In other words, they follow public opinion, or what they perceive to be public opinion. So we may do better with someone like Dean, although I don't expect Dean to be under consideration, who can make the points in a way that is persuasive to the public.

[Radical Activist]

25. If that were true we would already have the climate change bill

and the public option. Sorry, but passing a law is more complicated than going on TV to give a few speeches (something Obama does much better than Dean anyway).

[kentuck]

26. The Repubs won the public option argument..

or at least, many in Congress thought they did.

[KoKo]

28. I'm not a fan of Nancy Pelosi..but Her Congress has been BETTER THAN Reid's Senate!

So if you want to go after someone...go after Harry Reid. The House has for the "most part" passed Democratic Bills...but the SENATE under REID has blocked the bills not taking advantage of how the Repugs in the MINORITY managed to Push most of the BUSH II (CHIMP) Bills that brought us down even further.

It's the SENATE and NOT THE HOUSE!

[Swamp Rat]

19. His statements about the NY Islamic cultural center aside, I like Howard Dean

I don't know if he is the right person for this particular job or not, but I will be very happy to see Rahm Emanuel leave.

Most importantly, I wish Obama would kick out all the neo-con DLC infiltrators.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Uh oh-----someone not liking this one

Dean is from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. :shrug: <----- Republicans fear Dean and will have a fit if he joins Obama in any capacity.

[Radical Activist]

24. Is he back there again?

Maybe next week he'll go back to being a "fiscal conservative" again and opposing the mosque. It's so hard to keep track with Dean.

[KoKo]

29. I've not seen Howard Dean "waffle" in his positions. Do you have a Link for

this? It's always helpful to have a link so we can discuss and post other links that might verify or disprove your hypothesis.

[Radical Activist]

38. Why don't you google the example I already gave if you don't believe me.

When he ran he told liberal audiences he was from the "democratic wing of the democratic party." When he spoke to the press and other audiences he described himself as a moderate and "fiscal conservative." I see a contradiction there.

But goddamn if you're wanting to re-fight the '04 primary you'll have to catch me again when I'm in the mood. Just do a search of DU General Discussion from back in the day. You'll find about a billion posts about whether Dean is liberal or centrist and all his contradicting statements with all the links you could ever want.

[KoKo]

32. Got a Link to Prove what you say so we can have a DISCUSSION?

No...I didn't think so.

:eyes: CRICKETS!

[Radical Activist]

40. I found something else to do for a little while.

Hey, if you want to take a break from calling Obama supporters "henchmen," accusing Obama of not meaning anything he says, and making strange cryptic accusations at me, do you want to answer my other question in this post?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9098989&mesg_id=9099216

[KoKo]

46. I see your "DU PROFILE" lists as your Hobby..."Confusing Others"

Sheesh...I shoulda checked you out before. "Confusing Others" is your Hobby!

SUCKERED ME and My TIME... But, it's YOUR LOSS...and NOT MINE...because I KNOW..and YOU are busy "Confusing Others!" :rofl:

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[Radical Activist]

52. I'll ask again. Do you always whine about being attacked before you personally attack others?

I'm not sure why a mod is leaving your insults directed at me and only deleting my responses, which were much kinder than yours.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cU8Y3Ct3p8M/TCzMApQwC2I/AAAAAAAAA7Y/cXVH94ZsTHc/s1600/Hypocrisy+Meter+03-21-07.png

[ladjf]

23. For some reason, Obama seems to be reluctant to use Dean. nt

[KoKo]

34. I can understand it to a certain extent. If he put Dean into his Administration the RW would go

even MORE BALLISTIC! It would be WAR!

But, who would be the next pic that might sit well with both the Left, Middle and Mostly RW DEMS? Who might fill the gap?

[ladjf]

56. At this point, I wouldn't pay any attention to what the RW might do.

They are already about as crazy and is possible. Dean is intelligent, honest and courageous. But, it won't happen.

[backscatter712]

33. I like Dean, but rumor has it he doesn't get along well with Obama. n/t

Rendell would be good. Hopefully, he has a better sense of how to play politics, be an asshole when he needs to be, but not engage in too much hippy-punching.

[KoKo]

35. I could see that. If Obama had gotten along with him..he could have placed him Somewhere

in his Administration in a minor post and that would have made some of us out here at least feel he recognized his work for the Dem Party when it was in Peril.

But, he didn't...so there's obviously some kind of antipathy.

But....he needs to bring in someone like Howard...so who would it be. AND...he also needs to now place Howard somewhere in that Administration to counteract what Rahm and Gibbs said about part of the Netroots/Activists who held everything together when the Dem Party was in the Wilderness after the Supremes appointed Bush over Gore in 2000.

We, on the LEFT, built the NETROOTS and were a huge force in Obama being Elected. We are not happy gathered here "UNDER THAT HUGE BUS" that we were forced to hide under.

IT'S TIME FOR OBAMA TO FREE US FROM UNDER THE BUS!

:party: :party: FREE US FROM UNDER THE BUS!!! :party: :party:

[butterfly77]

45. He never went anywhere...

he was doing the job he was elected to do, not campaigning from day one like the CONS..He was waiting until it was the right time to let them have it.

[KoKo]

47. Well that's the "bright side" view...but the facts on the ground say this is DIFFERENT...

whatever... It's a start.

[depakid]

50. Dean needs to maintain a healthy distance from this administration and Senate "leaders"

Chances are that we'll need him untainted come 2013 to build the party back up again.

[KoKo]

51. An interesting point...

He was an ENERGY....and seemed to be clued into the ground crew.

[rucky]

53. I'd like to see Robert Reich in that position.

Seems like he can get the agenda on track.

[laughingliberal]

55. Reich needs to have Timmeh's job. Or the one Romer just vacated. nt