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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:14 PM
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Blog From Al Jazeera English: The Quran also burns at Fahrenheit 451
By Nick Spicer
September 8th, 2010.


Photo by AFP


An outsider seeking to understand the angry debate over a Florida pastor who plans to hold an "International Burn a Quran Day" on September 11 would do well to consider two texts familiar to most Americans.

First is Ray Bradbury's novel Fahrenheit 451 (the title refers to the temperature at which paper burns).

This reading-list staple in American high schools tells the story of Guy Montag, a "fireman" of the future whose job is not to extinguish fires, but, in an over-entertained, savage dystopia, to burn books.

And thereby to extinguish independent thought.

The book echoes the anti-intellectual strain in American culture, something Bradbury worried about in the America of 1953. Fears of Soviet "enemies within" were tearing the nation apart; the country's politics and cultural life were polluted by a fantasy-based ideological witch hunt organized by Senator Joe McCarthy of Wisconsin.

The other document is the US constitution, a text Americans are taught to venerate as a model charter for ensuring life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Its first amendment reads:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

It is not, obviously, freedom of religion that explains the planned action of the Florida pastor.

It is rather the constitutional protection of free speech that is important.

The pastor could easily evoke it before the courts to say that he was merely expressing himself – as the constitution guarantees – with his anti-Islamic bonfire.

That's why the White House, national religious leaders, and even the top military man in Afghanistan, David Petraeus, can only beg and plead with him to reconsider the damage his bizarre auto de fé may cause to public order in the US, and to America's image overseas.

But there's more than politics to this: ask an average American what he or she thinks about Quran-burning, they will likely reply that it is offensive in the extreme, even "un-American," and that an utterly marginal pastor has grabbed the limelight by sheer power of childish provocation.

Now lest Muslims abroad think this kind of religious provocation is exclusively targeted against them, they might consider the very American controversy surrounding the fairly self-explanatory work of art known as "Piss Christ": a photograph of a crucifix immersed in urine.

It is hard to think of an object better designed to rile the religious Conservative right – and in the late 1980s it worked perfectly, firing up, notably, Senators Al d’Amato and Jesse Helms.

But, ultimately, the conservative public's and politicians' anger could only focus on the $15,000 a government-funded arts body paid for the work, because the principle of free speech behind the public exhibition of the work was considered constitutionally, well… sacred.

The situation is different now, of course.

The planned religious "statement" by sacred book burning offends not the majority Christian population of the United States, but the minority group of Muslims living here.

Their depiction and treatment in the right-wing media, and even in political campaign ads is increasingly beyond the pale, even if forever protected by the First Amendment.

As I discovered at a giant rally attended by followers of Fox TV host Glenn Beck, for a growing part of the US public, they are the new enemies within.

While in most Western countries hate speech laws would prohibit much of what is intimated, alleged and hinted at about Muslims in the right-wing media here, in the US it is "anything goes" speech-wise.

But it is difficult to not to ask yourself at times if the free speech fetish hasn't gone too far.

Especially when you consider the fear pushing American Muslims to tone down their Eid celebrations, because they happen to coincide this year with the 9/11 commemorations.

Or when you consider that American Muslims feel it necessary to create TV ads to prove they are not terrorists.

Or when you consider the increasing incidence of anti-Muslim violence, including an arson attack on a mosque in Tennessee.

Finally, when you consider that a Florida pastor wants to burn a pile of Qurans, it is hard not to think also of what the German Heinrich Heine poet and essayist wrote in the early 1800s of the very same activity, undertaken during the Spanish Inquisition:

Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man auch am Ende Menschen

"Where they burn books, so too will they in the end burn human beings."

Heine was Jewish. His books would be burned too: in 1930s Germany.

From: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/americas/2010/09/08/quran-also-burns-fahrenheit-451

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:24 PM
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1. worth reading
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:06 AM
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5. YES! Do read it
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 02:02 AM
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9. I don't know...
Edited on Thu Sep-09-10 02:03 AM by regnaD kciN
When I read someone -- whether it be an al-Jazeera blogger or John Ashcroft -- suggest that we need to rein in our "First Amendment fetish," I get nervous.

The blog correctly quotes Heine on how the society that burns books will eventually burn people; I'd reply that the society that takes away freedom of speech will eventually take away freedom, period.

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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:15 AM
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12. I'll second that reply.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 03:16 PM
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16. There are restrictions on hate speech in Canada
Edited on Thu Sep-09-10 03:17 PM by Turborama
Are they not "free" then?

What worries me more than anything is inflexible dogma, in any shape or form.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:31 PM
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24. We are already there. We have already burned people.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 11:32 PM by sabrina 1
I would post the pictures, but they are graphic and out of respect for the victims I will not. In Fallujah, children and old people, and other innocents were killed by White Phospherous. Their bodies tragically an indictment of a society that in an attempt to protect 'speech' allows crimes, and bigotry is a crime against humanity, far greater.

We are at a crossroads. Throughout its relatively short history, due to the brilliance of the Founding Fathers who made a document that is not static, there have been amendments to keep up with issues that they could not predict at the time, but knew would inevitably happen.

The Constitution was thrashed by this lunatic. It was used as a weapon and a shield for bigotry. And instead of trying to figure out how he could be stopped legally, as others have because not all speech is protected, fools supported him and people have died and more will unless there are some legal minds in the country that can prevent this abuse of the Constitution from happening again.

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 11:24 PM
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25. It has happened
Edited on Sat Sep-11-10 11:24 PM by Turborama
There's a report in LBN about some loon following through with what Jones was promoting and doing his best to prove Osama Bin Laden right, that America is at war with Islam.

Someone's also posted a video of it in the videos forum as well, which I think is a totally wrong thing to do on various different levels.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 11:57 PM
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26. Didn't see that but it didn't get much attention so far.
The press ignores important stories all the time, this is one story that no responsible news organization should have covered. They promoted him giving valuable airtime to a lunatic, instead of covering real news.

At least one news organization, I believe it was the AP said they would not cover it if it happened.

Otoh, we have learned a lot from this ugliness and better to know what lies under the surface in this country than to have it festering in the dark.

The country has come a long way in many ways, but we have learned since 9/11 that it still has a very long way to go when it comes to bigotry.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:39 PM
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2. one set of religious superstitions versus another. nt
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:42 PM
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3. nice signs
Edited on Wed Sep-08-10 11:42 PM by davidinalameda
wonder who paid for them

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 11:58 PM
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4. Does it matter?
Interesting that you only comment on the photo.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:07 AM
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6. Does it matter who paid for the teabaggers signs?
Yes, it most certainly does.

If you don't think there are vested interests in what some irrelevant little Florida church does attempting to use this as a springboard to launch radical ideas, than your naive.

But this is DU, which will ignore radical Islams crimes. I should know better.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:12 AM
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7. You're mixing politics with religion. n/t
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:47 AM
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8. If you have ever been exposed to those small nondenominational Christian churches ...
you would realize they they are nutty enough to come up with an idea like this on their own.

All the publicity is free and I understand the Korans are donated. (I don't know many Christians that have a Koran laying around.)

I have decided to download a translation of the Koran when I finally get the Kindle I ordered from Amazon.com. It only will cost $0.89.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:28 AM
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10. "But this is DU, which will ignore radical Islams crimes. I should know better"
Yes, you should know better than calling out the whole of DU like that.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:17 AM
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13. So there's some vast muslim conspiracy to be upset over islamophobia?
Those bastards.

:eyes:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 04:52 PM
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19. Wow.
Just wow.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 05:30 PM
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21. sure it does
wonder who is sponsoring that little demonstration

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:44 AM
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22. Quite possibly their local Mosque. So what?
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 02:46 AM by Turborama
Did you even bother to read the OP?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:11 AM
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27. See #23. You fail. -nt
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:09 AM
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11. K&R n/t
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 11:27 AM
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14. The truly sad thing is that Bradbury is pretty close to being a full on wingnut these days..
He and Orson Scott Card have both regressed politically to a remarkable degree.

Card actually used to do a thing he called a "Secular Humanist Revival" long ago.

http://mooreslore.corante.com/archives/2005/06/06/second_secular_humanist_revival_meeting.php
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 03:14 PM
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15. Oh dear, that is a real shame.
That's some real loony tunes stuff right there in that link. Can't read too much of it, makes my brain hurt.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 03:20 PM
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17. Really? I hadn't heard anything about Bradbury.
Except for him being upset about the co-opting of his title into Farenheit 9-11, but he says his objection has nothing to do with politics.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 04:49 PM
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18. Here's a short article from the LA Times about Bradbury..
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 05:17 PM
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20. "We’ve got too many Internets."
Yeah, but this one's the best one. It's just luck that we all wound up on this one, I guess. :hi: (I've heard that at least one of those other, lesser Internets is made up of nothing more than tubes. Can you believe it?)

/s/ Candide
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:59 AM
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23. Just to clear something up. That sign in the OP has a banner underneath that says "CHURCH COMMUNITY"
My wife just translated it. In that case it was made by the Christian community in Indonesia.



Also, the pictures underneath it are of a Hindu temple, a Bhuddist temple some Balinese Hindu priests with what looks like leaders from different religions. PS anyone notice the different hands on the Qur'an?

BTW, there are a lot of Christians in Indonesia...



More details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Indonesia
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