I hope Muslims realize that we have as many crazies as they do.

[trumad]

We can't put a lid on the crazies....not with our tabloid style MSM. The crazies are already lining up to burn the Koran and there aint much we can do about it.

So Robert Gates called the crazy redneck in Gainesville--- does that mean he'll have to call the one in Tennessee as well....Dude's gonna have a nice size phone bill when all is said and done.

[Codeine]

1. I'd say we have significantly fewer, really. nt

[trumad]

3. We have fewer crazies that the Muslims?

He he---you ever been to a Tea Party rally?

[emilyg]

5. Did the Tea Party behead anyone?

[trumad]

9. OK---let's try the KKK---or maybe a militia or two...

[Bluebear]

12. Did Timothy McVeigh blow up the Federal building?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. There's the guy who tried to cut off the cab driver's head.

:shrug:

[trumad]

17. I'm sure we can find a whole bunch of incidents ----

[emilyg]

29. He was not tea party.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. There's no significant difference.

Are you a tea partier, Emily?

I know there are a few DUers who are admittedly sympathetic to the Tea Party, but I forget their usernames at the moment.

[emilyg]

47. No I'm not - not sure I like vilifying

Americans who have different opinions from ours.

[JonLP24]

16. Maybe not any beheadings

but with signs advocating violence for any health care reform or the Montana Tea Party leader joking about killing gay people.. I'd say they are pretty crazy.

[Hissyspit]

23. Dr. Tiller is dead as dead can be with or without his head.

Why do you want to do this?

[stray cat]

40. How many have been murdered at tea party rallies? Any rape victims stoned to death legally?

Or authors and cartoonists marked for death.

[marmar]

10. Huh?

:wtf:

[xultar]

20. WHAT THE FLYING FUCITY FUCK!...did you read that too?

[Hissyspit]

21. Well, first we have to define "we." Then we have to explain why we are using that

definition to create the particular false dichotomy we are creating. (U.S.A vs. Muslim?) Then we have to define "crazies." That's a big one there. Are we limiting it to DSM IV? Are we limiting it to violent acts? Or do we just mean sane people who commit absurd extreme acts? What about both? Then we have to gather data on that particular definition within the groups that we have defined. Then we have to defend why we are defining the groups that particular way. Then we have to...

Or we could just guess (i.e. pull it out of our ass.)

[m00nbeam]

2. I think they have probably figured that one out.

[madmax]

LOL I think they're aware of that by now,.

:)

[madmax]

4. LOL I think they're aware of that by now,.

:)

[greyl]

6. Define "we". What's your difference between Muslims and "we"? nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. People who aren't muslims?

:shrug:

[trumad]

15. True dat...

but the Morans in this country want to make the religion a person.

[greyl]

19. Sound like you've fallen prey to the mass media's mythmaking. nt

[trumad]

30. My disdain for the MSM keeps me safe

from falling prey.

[Hissyspit]

26. Why are we defining we that way?

Just as easy to define it as believers in sky deities vs. non-believers in sky deities. What is the data on comparative percentage of crazies in those groups? (See Post #21.)

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. How about Westerners, vs. non-Westerners?

Or how about people who are not being purposefully obtuse, vs...

[greyl]

32. Unless you and trumad are sharing a brain, how 'bout you let him answer? nt

[Hissyspit]

34. O.K. So define Westerners vs. non-Westerners.

Does that include Muslims who are living in the West? In Europe? In the U.S.? Americans living in Saudi Arabia? Not many more terms more meaningless nowadays than "Western."

Not being purposely obtuse at all. It was not a well-thought-out or well-phrased OP and there are obviously real issues with it.

[ourbluenation]

7. who is the "we" you are referring to???

[trumad]

11. We---???

Well let's see--- I live in Florida which is in the USA---so I guess it's the USA.

[greyl]

18. Muslim isn't a country. There are Muslims in the USA.

Unrec. ;)

[xultar]

22. +10 no shit rofl

[trumad]

25. No Shit Sherlock....

[ourbluenation]

46. thank you. that was my point.

I read on a friends facebook page yesterday in reference to the muslim community center that "we" wouldn't be treated the same in "their" country so why should we let them build their mosque. That's why it caught my eye...who is the "we"??? Americans? Couldn't be...we have embassies in almost every country. Did he mean Christians? I hope not as I am not one but I'm certainly American. And who was "their" country? Never heard of the Country of Islam. Never saw them in the Olympics or learned about them in school.

[Hissyspit]

24. There are no Muslims in the U.S.?

I understand your intention, Trumad, but not a particularly good OP. See post #21.

[trumad]

28. Maybe the OP headline is perfectly defined for the purists here on DU...

but shit!!!

You gotta be so fucking precise here at this fucking place.....

Sometimes this place exhausts me...

[greyl]

31. You mean "is not".

Yes, please do be more careful. You aren't yelling to a passing speedboat, you actually have time to compose your thoughts before hitting "Post". ;)

[trumad]

50. Dude I've been here over 9 years...

Don't tell me how to post my Ops.

[JonLP24]

33. Don't worry...

I understood PERFECTLY what you meant.

[Hissyspit]

36. Well, I can relate to that.

:hi:

Actually, this thread is a lot of fun already and I understood your intentions was good.

[madinmaryland]

45. Heh! It's classic GD!

It never fucking changes!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. All these crazies should just be put in a closed place

I am really done with them.

Problem is... in a tribal society where the Tribal elders do approve all that goes on the concept that the President (tribal elder) does not have the power to stop this crazee... is just crazy. That is part of the problem and one that many here cannot comprehend. I do, I have dealt with people who are part of tribal societies, and at times to treat a member of the tribe we had to go through the elders...

As a person who grew up in a western mindset it was frustrating as heck... but that's the way it is.

[gophates]

37. Maybe more

Considering the fact that a little less than half our voting population voted for War Criminal Bush. Twice.

I'd say we have a lot more.

[maxsolomon]

38. MONOTHEISM has more crazies than Secularism

Yes, Pot Pot and Stalin, blah blah.

But Christianity versus Islam versus Judaism? what's the standard for crazy? if it's suicide bombing, there's a clear winner.

if it's claiming that a book written by bronze-age desert-dwellers was literally dictacted by a supernatural being, and carries the weight of law, then it's a toss-up.

[stray cat]

39. The 9-11 terrorists were not crazies -they were murderers who planned for years

[dbt]

41. We have WAY more crazies than they.

And ours are more easily mobilized.

[TroglodyteScholar]

42. I hope CHRISTIANS know that Christians have as many crazies and Muslims do. n/t

Edit: speling

[gophates]

44. At least as many.

Probably more. Over killing people to make the world safe for American Idol.

[emilyg]

48. This Christian knows no such thing.

[JI7]

49. just look at what happened in Iraq

[AsahinaKimi]

43. self delete

I guess the "WE" thing is solved, more or less.