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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 07:41 PM
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Republicans Dominate Medicare Discussions On White House Fiscal Commission - TPM
Republicans Dominate Medicare Discussions On White House Fiscal Commission
Brian Beutler | September 9, 2010, 10:40AM

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The White House's fiscal commission has become a target for progressive activists in large part because a number of reports and public statements indicate that the panel will recommend benefit cuts to Social Security. Most of the backlash has come from critics calling on the commission's co-chair, Republican Alan Simpson, to resign over controversial public statements he's made about the popular program.

But the commissioners are also grappling with another sensitive entitlement program: Medicare. For a number of reasons, the commission is farther from consensus on Medicare than it is on Social Security: Medicare is a more unwieldy program; the commissioners differ wildly on how to prevent its soaring costs from bankrupting the government; and members have already had a working group meeting dedicated to Social Security in isolation. But the ideological conservatism of the Republicans on the commission -- and, indeed, of the commission as a whole -- combined with Democratic fatigue over health care reform mean that the center of gravity of discussions is tilted to the right.

"Basically you've got some Dems saying they don't want to jump back in the pool, so you've mainly got Republicans swimming in there on their own," says one source familiar with the commission's proceedings.

" Baucus has kind of come in and basically said, 'we've just done health care,'" a second source tells TPM. The sentiment echoes that of other Democratic commissioners. "We've done health care, we can't do much more."

That leaves rigid conservatives like David Camp and Paul Ryan -- the GOP's top budget guy and author of a plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program -- at the top of the rhetorical heap. As a result, according to the second source, the commission's focus reflects their priorities much more than progressive ones.

"There have been some discussions about cost-sharing. There have been some discussions about Medi-gap policies," the source says.

At a staff level, this source says, the feeling is that "there needs to be more skin in the game and people need to pay more...the whole argument that people don't understand how much health care costs and are wasteful."

"A lot of discussion on the commission has been that people need to get better price signals and be smarter shoppers," the second source said. "And that is very, very worrisome."

"The solutions that you come up with on health care are determined by what you identify as the problem," the source said. "If you think the consumers are the problem, then you're going to come up with a set of answers that include vouchers and higher cost sharing and that's a problem. If you believe that the problem is the system, then you look at systemic issues.... If you believe that the only thing you really care about is federal spending, then come up with proposals that shift costs on to businesses and individuals and maybe local governments."


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More: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/republicans-dominate-medicare-discussions-on-white-house-fiscal-commission.php

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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 08:04 PM
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1. Republicans can talk to themselves about their dream of voucherizing Medicare as much as they want.
This just confirms that there won't be a consensus of 14 members who do anything with Medicare.

Don't believe me? Firedoglake (the instigator of all this crap about the commission) agrees.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/09/09/deficit-commission-unlikely-to-tackle-health-care-but-someone-will-need-to-eventually/
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:17 PM
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3. Well, I've slogged my way through watching three of the Commission's meetings --
There's just no effing way Jan Shakowsky, Dick Durbin and Xavier Becerra are going to let uber-weasels Ryan and Camp "dominate" on anything. Schakowsky nearly ripped the head off a witness testifying before the Commission when he simply told what he thought was a humorous story where he told college students they were suckers for thinking Social Security would be around when they graduated. She did not get the joke and ripped him a new one.

What I say about this report is here we go again with un-named sources and tons of speculation similar to what happened early on in HCR.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:23 PM
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4. That's Great News...
But I don't trust politicians in general, so I'm supportive of keeping the pressure on these guys.

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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:26 PM
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5. If you haven't, take a few hours and watch the meetings, too.
It gives you a very real sense of what's going on, and there's a lot of surprising information amidst the wonkery that comes up, too.

You can access them at CSPAN online by typing "fiscal commission" into the search box, or view them over at fiscalcommission.gov.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:27 PM
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6. Thanks For The Heads-Up !!!
:yourock:

I will.

:hi:
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 09:28 PM
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7. Hey, man - Thanks and cheers. :)
:hi:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 10:53 PM
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8. Only some of the meetings are public.
Most of them are SECRET, and NO, you can't watch them on C-Span.

"1. Clouds over the Work of the Commission.

Your proceedings are clouded by illegitimacy. In this respect, there are four major issues.

First, most of your meetings are secret, apart from two open sessions before this one, which were plainly for show. There is no justification for secret meetings on deficit reduction. No secrets of any kind are involved. Nothing you say will affect financial markets. Congress long ago -- in 1975 -- reformed its procedures to hold far more sensitive and complicated meetings, notably legislative markups, in the broad light of day.

Secrecy breeds suspicion: first, that your discussions are at a level of discourse so low that you feel it would be embarrassing to disclose them. Second, that some members of the commission are proceeding from fixed, predetermined agendas. Third, that the purpose of the secrecy is to defer public discussion of cuts in Social Security and Medicare until after the 2010 elections. You could easily dispel these suspicions by publishing video transcripts of all of your meetings on the Internet, and by holding all future meetings in public. Please do so.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9107092


Why do you persist in perpetuating the KNOWN fallacy that these meetings are open and public?
This claim that the meetings are public and viewable viewable on C-SPAN has been debunked more than once.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:27 PM
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9. Go to fiscalcommision.gov for what meetings are public or no.
If you go to fiscalcommission.gov and read the by-laws, it's not a "he said, she said" situation.

Read the by-laws, watch the meetings, and then come back with an intelligent assessment.
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