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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:06 AM
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How FDR Got His Groove
History is tricky. You can turn it this way and that way and come up with two entirely different stories. If the one I am about to tell is the not the same one you know, remember that the truth is never as simple as black and white.

"Everything possible to be believed is an image of the truth” William Blake

Intro. The “Real” FDR

The way some people talk, everything of substance achieved by FDR occurred in his first 100 days in office. If by “substance” they mean everything that had to do with saving the banks from their own folly, then I guess they have a point. For most of us, Roosevelt did much more than declare a bank holiday and establish the FDIC. He told the American people (of all colors) that they deserved jobs, food, housing. He crafted Social Security, so that the elderly would not die on the streets after they working days were over. He (re)introduced the notion of “fairness” in public life.

How did this product of the American elite class go from friend of the banks to friend of the people? He did not spring forth, like Athena, a fully formed populist. It took him some time to find his groove.


I. America is Only as Strong as Its Banks

We had a bad banking situation. Some of our bankers had shown themselves either incompetent or dishonest in their handling of the people's funds. They had used the money entrusted to them in speculations and unwise loans. This was of course not true in the vast majority of our banks but it was true in enough of them to shock the people for a time into a sense of insecurity and to put them into a frame of mind where they did not differentiate, but seemed to assume that the acts of a comparative few had tainted them all. It was the Government's job to straighten out this situation and do it as quickly as possible -- and the job is being performed.

FDR Fireside Chat #1, March 12, 1933


http://millercenter.org/scripps/archive/speeches/detail/3298

While reading Hard Times by Studs Terkel, a collection of reminiscences from those who lived through the Great Depression, I was struck by the words of some of his New Deal advisers. Predictably, those on the left complained that he was not liberal enough, while those on the right called him a communist. What I did not expect was to read that he started his first term with what some would call a Republican agenda.

Remember, Roosevelt at the start was very conservative.

People don’t realize that Roosevelt chose a conservative banker as Secretary of Treasury and a conservative from Tennessee as Secretary of State. Most of the political reforms that were put through might have been agreeable to Hoover….the bank rescue…was not done by Roosevelt---he signed the papers---but by Hoover leftovers in the Administration.

Raymond Moley, early FDR adviser who became a New Deal critic in 1933


Roosevelt was building up new ideas in a milieu of old ideas. His early campaign speeches were pure Old Deal. He called for a balanced budget. When he got into office, the whole banking system collapsed. It called for a New Deal.

Snip

The guarantee of bank deposits was put through by Vice President Garner, Jesse Jones (a Texas banker) and Senator Vandenburg---three conservatives. They rammed it down Roosevelt’s throat.

Gardiner C. Means, economic adviser


"Roosevelt committed himself in the campaign of ’32 to cutting government expenditures. It was the most conservative speech he ever made. So we all got started with our hands tied behind our back. A lot of things New Dealers wanted couldn’t be done without increasing expenditures.”

C. B. Baldwin, assistant to Henry Wallace, Secretary of Agriculture


That does not sound like the FDR we all know and love. What exactly happened during those famous first 100 Days ?

Much of the new legislation benefited banks and the wealthy. Restoring public confidence in the banking system and providing federal guarantees to depositors probably saved a lot of bankers from the unemployment line. With 40% of the nation’s homeowners facing foreclosure, a plan to refinance loans also helped the banks. Burning crops and slaughtering livestock were good for agricultural interests, since they kept prices up. They were not so good for the consumers who had no jobs or money. One bill you do not hear about much cut Veterans’ pensions by 50%. There were public works projects, including the Tennessee Valley Authority. Nothing here to make a banker mad---

http://www.epluribusmedia.org/features/2006/200609_FDR_pt4.html

But wait! One of FDR’s first acts in office was to remove the nation from the gold standard. Why did FDR hate gold? He didn’t. However, the value of the dollar was falling. If debtors could be forced to repay their loans in gold rather than dollars, many of them would see their debts increase by 50%. The same way that modern credit card holders can see their interest rates double or triple overnight at the discretion of the bankers.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-takes-united-states-off-gold-standard

I can see how this might have riled up the banks.

II. The Attempted Coup

Between 1933 and 1934, some very rich and powerful Americans decided that FDR had to go. They attempted to persuade war hero, Major General Smedley Butler to take over. Instead, he turned them in.

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html

While Congress and the press hushed up the affair, it must have had some impact on FDR. Here he was, attempting to prop up the US banking system, and the very same banksters were now biting the hand that was feeding them. Was this enough to make FDR change his allegiance from the wealthy and elite with whom he had grown up to the American people as a whole? Since he isn’t alive to tell us we will never know. However, I do know what his next address to the American people was like.

III. America is Only as Strong as Its People

From FDR’s April 28, 1935 fireside chat:

The objective of the Nation has greatly changed in three years. Before that time individual self-interest and group selfishness were paramount in public thinking. The general good was at a discount.

Three years of hard thinking have changed the picture. More and more people, because of clearer thinking and a better understanding, are considering the whole rather than a mere part relating to one section or to one crop, or to one industry, or to an individual private occupation. That is a tremendous gain for the principles of democracy. The overwhelming majority of people in this country know how to sift the wheat from the chaff in what they hear and what they read. They know that the process of the constructive rebuilding of America cannot be done in a day or a year, but that it is being done in spite of the few who seek to confuse them and to profit by their confusion


This is followed by a speech about Social Security, jobs creation, regulation of utilities, regulation of banks---

We all know that private banking actually exists by virtue of the permission of and regulation by the people as a whole, speaking through their government.


Sounds to me like FDR finally found his groove, two year after taking office.









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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:29 AM
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1. I keep trying to point that out
During his first two years, all the people on the bottom saw was his program of trying to support farm prices by dumping produce in front of starving people. To say he was unpopular is a gross understatement. Eventually he realized that prices weren't the problem, jobs at livable wages were and the rest is glorious history and the best deal working people ever had.

Whether Obama will smarten up the same way remains to be seen. Right now, considering his latest economic appointment, it doesn't look good.
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:43 AM
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20. had to do that
he had to help farmers. Agriculture was in a state of collapse.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 10:13 AM
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24. ....because so few had the money to spend on food
He was finally smart enough to figure that out.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:13 AM
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29. But FDR didn't have an FDR to learn from.
What is the current administration's reason for not "smartening up" about so many of these exact same issues?

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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:42 AM
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2. K & R!
There's a lot of stuff there that bears careful study later today.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:02 AM
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3. Yep. When all else fails, try liberal policies.
Why does this have to keep being re-learned?
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 12:35 PM
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4. Your just swiftboating F.D.R.
to give a free pass to Obama for squandering his majority in both houses. You can go at any issue at some obscure angle,or small slice of time, to make your point. ( i forgot what was your point? that F.D.R. was actually a republican ? weird)

If i am to play your game of the limited time frame, your still misleading. In his first 100 days F.D.R. set the groundwork for the New Deal and helped restore the confidence of the American people that we were on a new path.

We need examples of what "CHANGE" really looks like and not just some campaign slogan. I would follow a REAL leader like F.D.R. to the ends of the earth, so far it looks to me like Obama couldn't carry F.D.R.'s jockstrap.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:40 PM
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10. You'd have a point if Obama had Senate control on par with FDR or...
even that a simple majority could control the Senate.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:42 PM
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11. FDR wouldn't last five minutes in this environment.
And you'd be whining about FDR if it were the 1930s.
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Jim_Shorts Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:58 PM
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12. I think most of us would agree
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 07:00 PM by Jim_Shorts
that the times we live in are desperate indeed. What are the problems ?... F.D.R. - "We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering".

"They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob".

Sound familiar?

Just because you live in these times don't think their tougher or appreciably different than at other times in our history. In A Peoples History of the United States there is a clear repeating pattern where "The Royalists" (Roosevelts term)use government to take more and more of the assets untill there are severe imbalances in the economy.

Roosevelt was very clear that he was taking it to the "Royalists"...F.D.R. "Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred".

Would you really rather have Obama now than Roosevelt?

http://millercenter.org/scripps/archive/speeches/detail/3307
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:39 PM
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13. That must be why he is consistently at the top of the list
of greatest presidents.

Too many folks thinking along the lines of your post take what FDR did for granted. Most young people do not know what it was like before FDR came along.

What little prosperity left that has not yet been stolen was brought to you by the efforts and farsightedness of FDR and his making of the middle class lifting what he knew was a gold mine up by the bootstraps, to the great prosperity of this nation, that the world looked upon with awe.

The reason we are in the mess we are in today, is because thinking like this poster. Folks who do not understand greatness or even what gravitas truly means.

FDR would make mincemeat of the sad little toads, whores, and dustmites running as pugs'nDinos today. They would be gnats to swat with intelligent legislation backed without reservation by large majorities of the people;

Honest legislation for the good of the people is a recognizable thing.

It is not convoluted nonsense signifying nothing that rings true for the people;

It was not just coincidence huge majorities stood behind FDR to back him up.

He showed this country what truly successful and honest government means to the people. One that is in fact for the people, by the people, and of the people.

He and his legacy are the thing most feared by the right. It is hard for them to fool folks into thinking trickle down is best when the proof is before our eyes in blinding neon and the folly of theirs lies in the graveyards and misery of the downtrodden and the dying middle class.

That fairness builds a healthy middle class and social programs (insurance) for the downtrodden is the recipe for a healthy and prosperous country,

FDR did not get the capitol to do the things he did by being a flim flam artist or a weakling; He did not promote legislation harmful to the people and pretend by 3 dimensional chess, it was something it was not. He got that capitol by telling folks what they needed to know to survive in dignity; Not what would get him elected so he could sell out at highest bid. He was honest and honorable and people knew it. He was indeed the harbinger of hope and change. No one doubted it. He produced a middle class out of whole cloth that took this country to its golden age.

So great was he, that he would be in office 3 terms, 12+ years; Until he died a sitting president, when people took to the streets and openly wept for days and many for weeks some even still blushing a tear at the very though of the miraculous changes he made to a country in its death throws.

That is what it means to trust a president and get behind him and fight tooth and nail for him.

Because you know he is fighting for you. It is not a guessing game.

FDR changed the history of this country indisputably to the good for the general prosperity based on the people of this country rather than Wall st.


So great were the changes he wrought, it took 30 to 40 years to even begin to hack at their fortified foundations and when they began to crumble, some 30 to 40 years after his death; Our world has been on a downward spyral; From a once liberal (common sense), supreme court on down to even the least government office.

No man of such infinite wisdom, honor, gravitas and intelligence has ran for the presidency or occupied it since. Though a very few had the makings but alas were destroyed before they could make a difference; To once again prove the obvious.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:32 PM
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14. +1
God bless you.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:30 PM
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15. ooglymoogly...
That was beautiful.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 11:16 AM
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25. Thank you very much....Klaatu barada nikto;
Edited on Sat Sep-11-10 11:24 AM by ooglymoogly
Words of peace, piled high on common sense.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:44 PM
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18. Now I can fully appreciate the phrase 'dumb as a post'.
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 11:48 PM by Jim Sagle
'cuz that's the dumbest post I've ever read.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 01:42 AM
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19. Really?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yoZHs6PsU

Find any other president that was that bold, who stood up to his enemies and welcomed their hatred.
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:55 AM
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22. yes.
FDR was a 'traitor to his class'.

And, many on the left < and there was a real left in those days>, thought that he was a 'sellout'. He was neither.

FDR was trying to save the system and prevent a revolution. It was that serious.

Then came foreign policy crises and WW2.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:19 PM
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5. we will see ....
the worse thing that could have happened to obama was the death of teddy. without the lion in the senate obama lost the only man who could bring the 60 votes that obama needed to pass real reform.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:14 PM
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6. Well you are right on one thing;
History can be seen in many ways and is in fact, in the eyes and persuasions and agenda's of the beholder;

Some flaws in a diamond are seen more clearly through a few facets of a diamond, not seen by the naked eye. With a 10+ loupe and a practiced eye, one can disqualify all but 0.03976% as flawless.

With the 10+ loupe of the Internets; The flaws of man are now vastly easier to quantify and whose insignificant parts can be made into a whole; To form just about any picture desired.

Within the flaws you identify as flaws, as in things not consistent with a progressive; Some are actually, like the diamond, florescence's; As in FDIC savings guarantees and backing and in fact so was his entire understanding of the banking system and how to bring this country back from the bottom of the abyss.

I do see what you are getting at; The comparison of O's accomplishments juxtaposed against those of a man so admired; Particularly the first two years. Hoping that now we will see the big change. Me too, in spades; My intuition based on his actions do not bear this out.

The whole picture of FDR in those first 2 years, or a true synopsis of it, is not presented here; Though you have come to conclusions about those first two years on so little evidence.

You mentioned the Butler exposure of the treasons of J.P Morgan et al, (the same folks fucking us today) yet you did not mention how FDR used that play against those most powerful folks in banking and Wall st, to force the New Deal on them.


To attribute accomplishments normally thought of as FDR's, to others who worked under him, because they said so, is not a convincing argument nor is it a whole picture; Even though your assumptions appear to assume a whole picture.

For instance;

The reconstruction of history by the pugs in this instance, kinda reminds me of the ending lines from Wilde's 'The Happy Prince';

As it was said of the golden statue of the happy prince and the sparrow;

"The ruby has fallen out of his sword, his eyes are gone, and he is golden no longer," said the Mayor; In fact, "he is little better than a beggar!"

"Little better than a beggar," said the Town Councilors.

"And here is actually a dead bird at his feet!" continued the Mayor. "We must really issue a proclamation that birds are not to be allowed to die here." And the Town Clerk made a note of the suggestion.

So they pulled down the statue of the Happy Prince. "As he is no longer beautiful, he is no longer useful," said the Art Professor at the University.

Then they melted the statue in a furnace, and the Mayor held a meeting of the Corporation to decide what was to be done with the metal. "We must have another statue, of course," he said, "and it shall be a statue of myself."

"Of myself," said each of the Town Councilors, and they quarrelled. When I last heard of them they were quarrelling still.

"What a strange thing!" said the overseer of the workmen at the foundry. "This broken lead heart will not melt in the furnace. We must throw it away." So they threw it on a dust-heap where the dead Swallow was also lying.

"Bring me the two most precious things in the city," said God to one of His Angels; and the Angel brought Him the leaden heart and the dead bird.

"You have rightly chosen," said God, "for in my garden of Paradise this little bird shall sing for evermore, and in my city of gold the Happy Prince shall praise me."


"As far as FDR being "very conservative" He was not...ever.

FDR was brought up on doctrines of fairness. His idol Teddy, a republican progressive, coined the phrase "The Square Deal" while he was president and when his party went too much to the right, trashing fairness, he formed the Bull Moose party to run again to effect that kind of leadership; A party of progressive Republicans based on basic fairness. Something that has become extinct in the pug party today.

FDR's concepts are clear; How he achieved them is a tour of the sausage factory, in those first years that is, I accept a learning period.

But basically he operated under personal concepts of fairness;

"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward".


"Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle".


"But while they prate of economic laws, men and women are starving. We must lay hold of the fact that economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings.

"Confidence... thrives on honesty, on honor, on the sacredness of obligations, on faithful protection and on unselfish performance. Without them it cannot live'.

My favorite;

"I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm".

I could go on ad infinitum, but there are no true indication that FDR's basic philosophy of fairness made him anything but a very idealistic liberal.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:41 PM
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7. I believe the story is both more complex - and simpler
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 02:44 PM by MannyGoldstein
At first glance, FDR's policies seem like an odd mix of Left and Right. However, there was a key thread:FDR was, above all else, a pragmatist who believed that nobody knew the right answers: rather, he had to find the smartest people (but never ideologues), try things, see what worked, and make adjustments. Here's the key phrase:

"The country needs and, unless I mistake its temper, the country demands bold, persistent experimentation. It is common sense to take a method and try it: If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something."

His original cabinet and Brain Trust had people from the Right, but mostly from the Left: Francis Perkins and Henry Wallace were considered very far left. Eventually, the Rightists shriveled away as it became evident that Liberal policies just work better.

Comparing FDR to Obama is difficult. FDR's circle contained a wide range of ideologies, while Obama's contains essentially one ideology, and certainly nobody who would be considered Liberal by any reasonable standard. FDR tried many things, and demanded simplicity in legislation. Obama has only tried a few things, and they are staggeringly complex (thousands of pages for health care and financial legislation). Nor do we see Obama moving away from his failed Rightist policies.

A very good book I can recommend on FDR's first 100 days: http://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Fear-Hundred-Created-America/dp/159420196X
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:17 PM
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8. I think you're trying to say there's still hope
Okay, I can hear that.

That makes me feel better, actually.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:19 PM
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9. Frances Perkins
Frances Perkins (April 10, 1880<1> – May 14, 1965), born Fannie Coralie Perkins, was the U.S. Secretary of Labor from 1933 to 1945, and the first woman appointed to the U.S. Cabinet. As a loyal supporter of her friend, Franklin D. Roosevelt, she helped pull the labor movement into the New Deal coalition. She and Interior Secretary Harold Ickes were the only original members of the Roosevelt cabinet who remained in offices for his entire presidency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Perkins
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:44 PM
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16. K&R/Love FDR -- and one of the things I think we really have to remember
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 11:04 PM by defendandprotect
is how strong the left was at that time -- in the sense that those

forming the political discussion were Huey Long -- and Communist Party of which

many Americans were members. Look at how liberal Henry Wallace was!! FDR was

evidently forced to dump him for the more rw Truman --

Would Wallace have dropped two atomic bombs on Japan?

Notice that Wallace is campaigning against the Cold War!!! Obviously, he knows it's a fake.

The 1948 Presidential election

Wallace left his editorship position in 1948 to make an unsuccessful run as a[] Progressive Party candidate in the 1948 U.S. presidential election. With Idaho Democratic U.S. Senator Glen H. Taylor as his running mate, his platform advocated friendly relations with the Soviet Union, an end to the nascent Cold War, an end to segregation, full voting rights for blacks, and universal government health insurance. His campaign was unusual for his time in that it included African American candidates campaigning alongside white candidates in the American South, and that during the campaign he refused to appear before segregated audiences or eat or stay in segregated establishments.

As a further sign of the times, he was noted by Time as ostentatiously riding through various cities and towns in the South "with his Negro secretary beside him."<6> Many eggs and tomatoes were hurled at and struck him and his campaign members during the tour, while at the same time President Truman referred to such behavior towards Wallace as very un-American. Wallace commented that "there is a long chain that links unknown young hoodlums in North Carolina or Alabama with men in finely tailored business suits in the great financial centers of New York or Boston, men who make a dollars-&-cents profit by setting race against race in the far away South."<6> State authorities in Virginia sidestepped enforcing its own segregation laws by declaring Wallace's gatherings as private parties.<7>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_A._Wallace#Later_career

Red baiting had been used since the Russian Revolution -- came in quite handy to prevent

liberal progress!!

Upton Sinclair had also had a populist party in California -- "EPIC - End Poverty in California" --

The concept of a Social Security program had long been pushed by the left --

and note that Henry Wallace was also pushing universal health care!!

With 40% of the nation’s homeowners facing foreclosure, a plan to refinance loans also helped the banks.

Efforts to stop foreclosures came FIRST -- and granted that also helped banks.

And there were many, many more liberal/progressive forces at work at that time -- for unions, etal.

Had been going on a long time.

With Truman came the march of the right again -- the re-establishment of the Cold War --

The "spies" for Russia -- Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and that farce --

And the beginning of the McCarthy Era -- HUAC -- and the right wing attack on the ideals of

democracy! Along with McCarthyism came a purge of liberals from government. And much more!


Any president worth their salt has to be enough of a threat to the right wing that they

plan a coup or two against them!! FDR survived two attempts! With JFK they weren't going

to abide having another FDR rise!! There is only one way the right wing can rise and that's

by political violence and stolen elections. And for the past 50 years that's what the right

wing has been doing --

Keep in mind also that the large computers used by MSM and the smaller voting computers began

to come in during the mid-to-late 1960's -- just as America was passing The Voting Rights Act!

Until that time, MSM could only report actual vote tallies -- they could not PREDICT and CALL

elections as they do now. Those were new powers which the computers gave them and we saw them

simply reversed in 2000.


Personally . . .

I think what happened is that FDR decided to come to the side of the people --

And I always like to think that Eleanor had a lot to do with that!!

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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:24 PM
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17. What a wonderful, informative discussion -
thanks so much!
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:50 AM
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21. First quarter
This has barely begun. This country has very long list of very serious problems, and Obama is the head of the Executive Branch. There is an independent Legislative Branch. Those 535 independent members do not follow the orders of Obama. people in the Democratic party have to find a way of working together - whether they want ot or not. The country will pay a penalty if the Democrats work against each other, rather than with each other. We shall see.

People who vote Democrat will have to decide whether or not they will vote. We will see about that as well.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:11 AM
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23. "Just stay home" is a registered campaign slogan of the 2010 GOP.
Edited on Sat Sep-11-10 07:11 AM by McCamy Taylor
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 02:57 PM
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26. Thanks for this post about FDR.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 04:33 PM
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27. Going through a book of collected Life Magazine artricles:
Young Reporter: (Interviewing President Roosevelt) "So are you a Capitalist?"

FDR: "No."

Young reporter "Then are you a Socialist?

FDR: "No."

Young reporter: "Then what are you?"

FDR: "I am a Democrat!"
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And thanks for reminding me that I have meant to get some more Studs Terkle on my last two library trips. he is a great read.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-12-10 12:00 AM
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28. +6.02x10^23
Thanks for that.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:29 PM
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32. My goodness.
The equation for the volume or weight of something or other.

I do remember studying that first year of chemistry. And probably haven't seen it since then.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:48 AM
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30. What a great post.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 09:50 AM
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31. If we could get 10% of what FDR got that would be something.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 01:33 PM
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33. FDR and the CCC brought us out of the depression. We need him now!
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