A woman carries out a lone protest in front of the Dove World Outreach Center - pic

[Kadie]

A woman carries out a lone protest in front of the Dove World Outreach Center ahead of a press conference by the church's pastor Terry Jones in Gainesville, Florida. Jones insisted he would not carry out a plan to burn the Koran, but failed to stem a global tide of Muslim outrage.
(AFP/Getty Images/Joe Raedle)

[wookie72]

1. Somewhere my grandma is smiling nt

[rucognizant]

24. ?

[wookie72]

29. She was a hell-raiser

and she's exactly the type of person who would have protested something even if she was the only one ther.e

[pipi_k]

2. Not sure what she's protesting here...

His original plan to burn the Koran, or his revised plan NOT to burn the Koran?


I mean, it could be either one...I'm sure there are people who would call him a "phony Christian" because he didn't want to burn the Koran...

[Winterblues]

3. It looks to me like she is protesting HIM and not any plan.

He is indeed a phony Christian and that appears to be her message..

[Kadie]

8. Agreed!

:thumbsup:

[ZombieHorde]

16. Why do you doubt his faith? Because his version of Christianity is different than yours? nt

[OrangeGrapes]

18. So...

someone can be religiously intolerant as long as they say it's their own version of Christianity? Or am I misunderstanding your comment?

[ZombieHorde]

44. People can religiously intorerant for any reason they wish, I was asking why this man's Christianity

was being called phony.

[Dappleganger]

20. I doubt it because he's a selfish media whore

who steals donated money.

Just like I doubt Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson and the rest of the "send me your last $100 so God will work a miracle" snake oil salesmen.

[ZombieHorde]

45. I don't know Hinn, but Robertson's Christianity seems sincere to me. nt

[Dappleganger]

50. He's sincerely bat-shit crazy...

and claims to speak for God, bilks millions out of poor and old people's pockets and participates in illegal international activity. His "god" is money and attention...always has been since he founded CBN.

[MsPithy]

22. So, being an ignorant, gunslinging, thieving, violent, fanatical media whore

is a "version" of Christianity?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/08/quranburning-pastors-form_n_709878.html

[ZombieHorde]

46. A person is a Christian if they sincerely consider themselves to be Christian.

He is just more interested in the first commandment than the eighth.

[SargeUNN]

31. well have you studied to find out who he is really?

Your thought would be fine if you would go further and see what he really stands for. He actually goes against the very values he claims to be about so your statement is misguided on this fraud.

[ZombieHorde]

47. What values does he claim to be about? nt

[Dappleganger]

19. We should all protest phony christians...

I've read this pastor's cached "blogs" and he is about as phony as they come.

[PunkinPi]

5. From the caption, it can be assumed

it was prior to his announcement of the cancellation of the plan. "ahead of a press conference"

[pipi_k]

17. Well that's kind of what I thought, but I can never tell for sure n/t

[rucognizant]

26. response on this thread is scary!

Richard Scaife Mellon, REV SUN MOON, Koch Bros. OTHERS, have succeeded wildly, in the past 30 years, in funding "Fundies. Media, etc. to create dissent doubt & lack of clarity.

She is old like me,she is protesting the trouble maker! CLEARLY She's a liberal a repig teabagger would be wearing red have beached hair & NOT BE ON A BICYCLE!
PRIOR TO 30) YEARS AGO................( the beginning of the reagan reign) these fundie sects were insignificant! I remember the day one tried to convert me in the laundramat how shocked I was.............& it has grown since then quantemely. They send out missionaries to convert people!
I have returned to church going this year, to sing in the choir.( Gaia, says to sing HARMONY is to tune into the Universe.) The Rev. is very progressive, his sermons are channeling the same material from "God" that the astrologers are writing about from the stars, ( & I e-mail their writings to him when I see this synchronisity) The Sunday School Teacher is also a Buddist....bottom line..we are joined together with the goal of making life easier for those in need.

[flamingdem]

4. yaay!

[m00nbeam]

6. Good for her

More people need to find the guts to stand up to this and other forms of bigotry.

[gophates]

7. Unfortunately, she is wrong.

If you look at the major voices of Christianity in this country, Terry Jones is only a slight exaggeration. He is a real Christian, and that's the problem.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. Jesus would've driven them out of The Temple as moneychangers.

[Kadie]

11. The most vocal doesn't always represent

the entire group.

"He is a real Christian, and that's the problem"

I can't agree with you there.

[gophates]

12. You must know a better class of Xians than me.

Good for you. Personally, I'm hoping for the Rapture.

[eomer]

25. But then the "Christians" you know would also be phony Christians, wouldn't they?

The lady has a point and I don't think you actually disagree with it. Do the Christians that you know (the ones you're complaining about) follow the teachings of Jesus in their lives? If not then they are phony Christians in the way that she (apparently) means it.

I'm an atheist and don't believe that Jesus was god. But I do believe that following the teachings attributed to him is a good way to live. In a way that makes me a real Christian, ironically.

[Goblinmonger]

51. So anyone who is a dick can't be a christian?

How convenient.

[eomer]

54. No, anyone who doesn't follow the teachings of Jesus

yet calls himself a Christian is a phony Christian.

[Goblinmonger]

56. Follows the teachings of Jesus according to whom?

They have as many quotations as you do to support their position. They think YOU are the phony Christian.

[eomer]

58. According to Jesus.

What quotations do you have in mind? Are they quotes of Jesus? Or other parts of the Bible?

[Goblinmonger]

59. Which translation?

Many differences are based on translation.

Are you seriously telling me that you base all of your understanding of christianity ONLY on the parts of the bible attributed to Jesus? Just the quotations? Are you going to allow in some of the gnostic gospels or are you happy with the big 4 of the Nicaean Council? It is ALL selective and ALL open to interpretation. You can pretend to be as obtuse as you want about that, but, surely, you aren't saying that YOU ALONE hold the key to the correct interpretation of Christianity.

But, hey, these little more douchy ones come to mind off the top of my head. Do you live by these fully:

Matthew 10:34-39
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it."

Luke 19:27
"But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence.”

If you ain't Jewish (originally from the house of Israel) you aren't saved--do you believe that one?

Matthew 10:5-6
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

The whole "Leviticus is just for a specific time" argument is not made by Jesus who claims that all the old laws must be followed. Shellfish and gays are an abomination after all:

Matthew 5:17-20
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.”

Do you do this with what causes you to sin?

Mark 9:43-48 (Also Matthew 18:8-9)
"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than to have two hands and to go to Gehenna, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and to be thrown into Gehenna. And if your eye causes you to stumble, tear it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and to be thrown into Gehenna, where their worm never dies, and the fire is never quenched.”

And, for the big finish, the one I'm sure no Christian is ready to live up to: let me have all the money in your pockets please

Matthew 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

[AspenRose]

13. Jesus himself said not everyone who did things in his name would be

considered one of his.

"Not everyone who says, 'Lord, Lord...'"

[gratuitous]

15. No she's not

Fortunately.

[MrMickeysMom]

21. Man, you just pissed off a lot of professed Christians...

Why do you have to do that?

I don't practice Christianity, due to what I've come to terms with, but I'm not going to say people who truly try to live like Jesus has been described are the problem.

[Kajsa]

32. +1

Thank you!

:)

[polmaven]

27. Actually, no,

it is YOU who is wrong. People like Jones, et al, want nothing more than the attention that this brings. Jesus told us to do otherwise. See MATTHEW 6: 5-6 (from THE MESSAGE):

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?
6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

[rasputin1952]

28. For all of the things spoken of in the Bible as "sins"...

hypocrisy is mentioned and condemned far more times than anything else. The way I figure it, not matter what the religion, if someone uses it to justify hate, killing and bigotry...that person is the very essence of evil. Jones is not a "real" Christian...he's a fool that purveys hate, death and destruction, the polar opposites of the base tenets of every major religion.

[WilliamPitt]

41. Fail

[snooper2]

9. look at all those news vans in the background...

stupid media whores

[HipChick]

14. yep..

[Iwillnevergiveup]

23. I would sincerely like

to go for a bike ride with her.

[SargeUNN]

30. Why aren't more with her?

Oh right we are too busy fighting with each other to focus on the real issue like this woman did.

[cleanhippie]

33. Ahh, the old "he is not a REAL christian" gambit.

:puke:

[Kajsa]

34. Puke all you want, CH.

I see your pattern on more than one
thread on DU..

-Implying someone is pulling the ----fill in the name----card.
-Your response shows little or no reading of the OP, because you're
not addressing it at all- just bashing that someone is pulling something.
Wow- that's some insight!

Is that all you have?

[cleanhippie]

35. Huh?

The OP is a picture (no reading required), and I commented on it. How is that "my pattern" and what the hell is "my pattern
anyway?

A personal attack, is that all you have?

[Kajsa]

36. Not personal attack,

noticing a pattern in your responses.

Your comments are equally in an attack mode
implying that someone is pulling something.

You are right about the picture here.
It is the OP.

What the hell is this women pulling then?

The " phony Christian" card?

Really? I am the walrus preacher man in FL.
is the real deal?

So you DON'T think he's a phony Christian?

[cleanhippie]

38. No, I don't

He is just as much of a christian as the next one, who is that lady to say that he is not? They simply have different interpretations, thats all.

Its the "No True Scotsman" argument, a classic fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

That all I was getting at.




I am curious, what is "my pattern"? And how am I in attack mode?

[Kajsa]

39. I see,

"different interpretations" ?

Do you think Rev. Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church
is also a Christian?

You know, Rev. Phelps,his church's website URL is
"http://godhatesfags.com"? He's a Christian?

He's just following his "interpretation" of what Christianity is
when he and his followers demonstrate at the funerals of our
veterans?They aren't demonstrating against war, either!

I spelled out your pattern already.
Also, after you questioned if my comment was a "personal attack",
I replied that it was no more so than your comments.

[cleanhippie]

40. Yes, different interpretations.

Who, exactly, decides who is and who is not a "real" christian? You? It would seem that anyone who does not conform to YOUR version of what YOU htink Christianity is, is not REALLY a christian. Do I have that right?

Are you really not seeing the point or are you just being obtuse?

[Kajsa]

42. Obtuse?

No. I understood what you said the first time.

I just have this wild, crazy idea that the people who are representative
of a religion actually adhere to the original teachings and principles
as spelled out by the prophets ( Jesus,Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, etc)
of those respective religions and not deviate 180 degrees from it.

Silly me.

[cleanhippie]

43. And its the different interpretations of those "teachings"

that brings us the Thousands of different versions of christianity.


http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/denominations_beliefs.htm

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_different_types_of_Christianity_are_there

http://www.allaboutreligion.org/denominations-of-christianity-faq.htm



Get it now? EVERYONE has a different interpretation, hence the different denominations, hence the fallacy of "he/she is not a real christian".

Silly you, indeed.

[Kajsa]

48. I hear what you are saying,

but I don't see the justification for the actions
of Phelps,Jones or any other extremist falling
under their "interpretation" of those teachings.

No Way.

[Goblinmonger]

53. They have as many quotations

to support their position as you do for yours. And they, right now, may very well be sitting around talking about how phoney your brand of Christianity is and how off your interpretation is.

It's a fallacy in the picture and your are clinging to it, too. Might not like it, but it's true. You can't just take the assholes and say they aren't christians in order to make christianity look good.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

60. Or, alternatively, if they can, then I can do this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=214&topic_id=252428

[cleanhippie]

57. And I'm sure those same people do not feel that YOUR interpretation

is justified.

[Goblinmonger]

52. Silly, you're a mean evil atheist

O, wait, was I not supposed to mention the group outside of the meetings?

[cleanhippie]

55. Damn it, now we have to get a new secret handshake!

Thanks a lot!

[dembotoz]

37. she should not be alone....shame on us.

the rev is a puke

[Kajsa]

49. +1

:thumbsup: