I am sure this will be incendiary regarding the 9/11 site,

[Curmudgeoness]

but I am so sick of hearing how this is such "sacred ground". It has been nine years now, and it is still a friggin' hole in the ground. If this place was so holy and sacred, there would have been a push to get something in there quickly. Why aren't people up in arms at the slow pace of changing this from a disaster area to a memorial?

I am reminded of a school somewhere in Europe a few years ago, and within a month or so, they had cleaned it up and put in a beautiful park. The people in that town wanted to ease the sorrow and move toward healing. Is it that we prefer to have this spot fester and scar us so we can have a reason to continue being outraged?

[knowbody0]

1. and how about how Arabs feel about our

troups on their sacred ground? our arrogance astounds me

[stray cat]

17. 9-11 terrororists showed their feelings by mass murder even of muslims

It's time progressives cared about Americans and the GOP cared about non-americans. Each side only seems to care about their select people they consider human and denigrate any suffering by the groups they like to demonize

[Curmudgeoness]

20. Who said we don't care about Americans?

I think that the reactionaries on both sides care about no one, but they are not the majority. They are just the ones we hear about endlessly.

[katandmoon]

2. I agree totally. It's just pious slobbering. I really don't get the lust for memorials anyway.

[Curmudgeoness]

6. I am not a memorial type person either, but I don't mind them.

If it is what some people need, fine. It wouldn't bother me. But this is still a blank hole. Come on.

[ThatsMyBarack]

3. Sieg fucking Heil!

Jawohl! And all that....

[Taverner]

4. Build it already!!!

I mean, come ON!!!!

[Curmudgeoness]

5. LOL, what ever happened to THAT idea? I don't even know

what they are doing there anymore. I stopped paying attention.

[tavalon]

7. Well put

9/11 victims are just political pawns, to be trotted out to scare or shame one's opponents. They aren't really revered and frankly as sad as it was, I don't really want to see it be viewed as sacred ground. If every terrorist site is to be sacred ground, most of the Middle East should be one big fucking memorial.

[Martin Eden]

8. Makes you wonder if preserving the open wound serves someone's political agenda

just wondrin'

[jberryhill]

9. Manhattan Real Estate

You are talking about some of the most expensive and heavily regulated real estate on the planet.

[Codeine]

10. I so completely hate the term "sacred ground."

Ground is fucking ground. I don't give two tugs of a dead dog's dick who considers a plot of dirt "sacred," it's still just dirt. The righties worship Ground Zero while my lefty friends blither on about the Black Hills or whatthefuckever -- it's just coordinates on a map, man.

[Curmudgeoness]

12. Two tugs of WHAT? Oh my god, that is hilarious.

But getting beyond that statement, I also hate that term. Which is why I feel annoyed by this sacred ground shit.

[Codeine]

14. That's a little gem from a writer named Warren Ellis.

He wrote the earth-shatteringly wonderful comic series Transmetropolitan as well as a great novel called Crooked Little Vein. Worth looking his work up, because the man has an amazing gift for turns of phrase that you will never forget.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Ellis

[Curmudgeoness]

15. Thanks. I have been looking for a new author to try, and this one

ought to be interesting if nothing else. You are right, I will never forget this one.

:rofl:

[geek tragedy]

11. It's not a hole in the ground.

It's an active construction zone.

[Curmudgeoness]

18. After nine years, it is still a construction zone. Go figure.

Do you even know what is being constructed there anymore?

[Tyler Everett]

13. It is sacred Ground

for the repubs who conflate hawkish nationalism and Jesus's war against Islam

[uppityperson]

16. "Jesus's war against Islam"? wtf?

I hope that was sarcasm

[stray cat]

19. Is it ok to dig up native American burial grounds since they are not sacred either?

[Wednesdays]

21. They've never done that?

:shrug:

[Codeine]

22. An interesting question.

How long does a "burial ground" stay sacred and inviolable? All over the world we have cities built atop places where the dead were buried. At a certain point you have to stop giving a damn about the long-dead and what remains of their bodies in anything but a purely archaeological manner.

[Curmudgeoness]

23. I don't see a relationship between burial grounds and Ground Zero.

I am not talking about destroying a cemetary, I am talking about how all we do is pay lip service to this whole "sacred ground", while we do nothing of substance there in nine years. Few people would put up with having a loved one buried in a cemetary that was not completed and was an eyesore.

[ejpoeta]

24. i'd guess that hole in the ground there helps to keep the wounds fresh

and keep the fear and anger going. at least on some level. we have seen other countries that have experienced worse than we have rebuild and move on. it's a horrible thing and i still get chills when they show the footage.... but we are not the first to have someone attack them. the fearmongering and aiming anger at muslims in general is not going to fix anything. just make it worse.

[Curmudgeoness]

25. I tear up whenever I see footage from 9/11, it is a very emotional

thing. I had a sister in the air flying that morning and still can vividly remember the not knowing what else was going to happen. But you are right, in fact, most countries have had much worse happen. Wars, cities destroyed by bombs, constant attacks on civilians. We are fortunate to have been rather insulated, and still we milk every disaster. I am fed up.