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francolettieri Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:40 PM
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Alan Grayson M.V.P.
Why is it that the political party with the most agressive, deceitful personality best able to sell its ideology is the narrowminded, bullshit political party!!!! Why can't the party with the best ideas be the best at selling itself!!?? I have complained numerous times on this site about this, democrats just refusing to get nasty, roll up their sleeves and fight. But there is one democrat I can think of that does do this. His name is Alan Grayson. I just wish we could clone him numerous times. I wish every single state and federal democratic representative in both the house and senate, was Alan Grayson!!! Pelosi and Reed are nothing compared to him!!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:50 PM
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1. A couple dozen Dennis Kucinichs wouldn't hurt, either. n/t
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Cal33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:24 PM
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18. Kucinich is definitely a fighter, He is also bright and experienced.
I wonder why people don'take him seriously. He should be the Speaker of the House. And Al Franken seems to be
an up and coming fighter who is honest and speaks his mind.
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billlll Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:54 PM
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2. State? tell me some on who he is
Here On DU....

Not just a link

Thanks!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:58 PM
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3. Alan Grayson bought a House seat in 2008. FL-08
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 07:31 PM by PBS Poll-435
Orlando Area.


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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:13 PM
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5. "Bought"?....do tell..
I'm assuming you mean "bought" in a DIFFERENT way than every other congress person.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:17 PM
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6. Mostly self-financed, right?
:shrug:
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:48 PM
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15. Are you asking me?
You're the one who made the assertion.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 03:23 AM
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20. I think we both know the answer to the question. I was just being polite. nt
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 05:44 AM
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21. You may have to
resort to clarity, as I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:23 PM
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7. Hey, you may be right
He doesn't owe anyone except those who voted for him. If that is the case, he's pure.

Maybe that's why he is free to attack the enemy? The enemy has nothing on him?

Great point, PBS.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:32 PM
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8. Such "candor" can cause problems next election cycle, though
If he loses re-election after one term in the House, what has he really accomplished?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:38 PM
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9. Already accomplished a lot
I guess it depends on one's perspective?

From my Democratic party perspective he's the greatest in office.

You, uh, don't think he's hurt us, do you? Surely the F not!! So, what is your beef?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:40 PM
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10. Just seems like a wasted opportunity. nt
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:50 PM
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12. Yep
You just wasted an opportunity to explain yourself. I guess you don't want to?

Seems you just like to dig at Grayson. Why would anyone on DU waste their time doing that?
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 03:22 AM
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19. Explain myself? I don't really feel the need.
I don't like to "dig" at anyone, but the midterms are approaching, and it seems that FL-08 is more than at risk.

After capturing that seat in '08, it seems like a waste that it is up for grabs again.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:49 PM
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11. didn't buy me - he is truthiness and I like the things he says and does & has my vote AGAIN n/t
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:01 PM
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4. I love Grayson. But if you are gonna trash Harry Reid, learn how to spell his fucking name.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:51 PM
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13. The world needs more shallow attention hounds?
Yeah, right.

Showboating ain't legislating.
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kratos12 Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:19 PM
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14. Alan Grayson is the prototype for future Democratic majorities
he speaks unapolegetically about the wreckless hypocrisy of the Repuckkklican obstructionists.

Calling Repukklicans liars when they spout bullshit like "death panels" and "Obama is a muslim" is not showboating it's truth telling.

We crave more of it and I'm amazed that any progressive/liberal/Democrat can bash or question Alan Grayson in light of what we have seen from those repukklican mutts over the last 30 years.

http://congressmanwithguts.com/

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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:59 PM
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17. Baloney
He's a bombthrower. There's a place for the provocative partisan gadfly, but these people rarely dedicate themselves to the minutiae of governing. Bombastic speeches don't really do you any good when you are trying to negotiate technical changes in legislation.

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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:27 AM
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22. Translation: Mealy Mouthed, capitulating, weenies for me please or a Republican with a D next
to their name if such is unavailable.

Get out outta here, 90% or better of the reps never read the bills nor author them anyway they just vote how their staff, leadership, or sponsors tell them to.

Very few dedicate themselves to the minutia of governing regardless of shtick, temperament, or demeanor.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 01:14 PM
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23. Answer one question, Kentuckian?
Do you have any experience serving in or working for a legislative body?

Sounds to me like you are a keyboard warrior with no knowledge of how the legislative process works.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 05:50 PM
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24. Other than student government no. I have an undergrad in political science, participated in close up
I was watching C-Span when everyone else was watching cartoons.

I would bet my understanding of the legislative process is better than most of the population, at least on a how it is supposed to work technically.

Surely you aren't on a political board calling for everyone that hasn't been at least on the city council or a paige to Congress to STFU?
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:13 PM
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25. Let me explain
Guys like Grayson don't get much done at the end of the day. Sure, they help frame the debate and jazz up activists, but in my experience, they don't do the heavy lifting, the negotiating, the coalition building that's needed to get good legislation passed. Barney Frank is an outspoken liberal, but he is also an effective legislator. He knows when to give and when to take, knows how to line up votes. That's what separates him from pet rocks like Grayson and Kucinich.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:23 PM
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26. Dude, I'm not a Kucinch apostle but reality is most congressmen accomplish little
as far as crafting and driving legislation. Most of them are principally fundraisers that tag along.

Barney Frank is a social liberal not an economic lefty. Frank is a corporatist and part of the problem, probably a cental figure in the problems in the majority or out.

Much that you credit as producing results is actually not beneficial to the American people so I give it the gas face. We need positive results for the broad population and more Graysons to push the movers and shakers toward doing what is best for our citizens not just the wealthy and the multi-nationals.

Your premise is a stetch because precious little good legislation is ever passed and much that is toxic, even by Democrats.

Trust me, I thought a lot like you for a long time. You aren't making points that I haven't even on this site, I just no longer subscribe to the point of view to the same degree anymore nor do is it our role to work the deals but rather to push for our interests. You are not a junior congressman the system does not require compromise from you but rather suffers from it because you allow the spectrum of debate to shrink.

Everyone who disagrees with you on tactics and policy perscriptions is not ignorant or idealistic. There are plenty of us who see your perspective broadly as a phase already passed, think about that.
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:51 PM
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16. Alan Grayson Rocks!
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