I went to a rally tonight for Single Payer Health Care.

[Ron Green]

It's not dead, you know. Such an idea is never dead, as long as it's the right thing to do.

http://madashelldoctors.com/

They're on the way to California now. Get out and talk to them if you can.

[aquart]

1. It ain't dead to me.

[Ron Green]

2. Whoa, somebody Unrec'd this puppy.

They have operatives everywhere.

[AzNick]

30. Ever thought this could be a spider?

A Web spider like Google's following the links?

Just saying.

[truedelphi]

38. But for some reason, some users have unrec's hitting them seconds after they post.

And other users don't. Some of us no longer OP for that very reason.

A strange type of spider, to my way of thinking.

People do not realize it - but one thing a lot of unrec's do is that they can actually sink a topic from viewing.

But hey, if it is gonna be all DLC philosophy all the time, I guess that is a good thing.

[SteveM]

44. K&R. By the way the quick-on-the-draw unrecs happen all the time...

in the Gungeon.

[Mimosa]

3. K&R. n/t

[napi21]

4. K&R It will never be dead until it's finally adopted. It's been a plan

since Roosevelt!

[EFerrari]

5. K&R

[area51]

6. k&r

Each day, 273 people die due to lack of health care in the U.S.; that's 100,000 deaths per year.

We need single-payer health care, not a welfare bailout for the serial-killer insurance agencies.

We don't need the GingrichCare of mandated, unregulated, for-profit insurance that is still too expensive, only pays parts of medical bills, denies claims, and bankrupts people. Republinazi '93 plan:

"Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005."

"We will never have real reform until people's health stops being treated as a financial opportunity for corporations."

[Angry Dragon]

7. k&r

[xchrom]

8. recommend

[Vinca]

9. I had this thought . . . and I know it's crazy . . .

do you suppose when 2014 comes around and insurance premiums have quadrupled (again), the POTUS (assuming it's Obama) might chuck the "serving us up to the wolves on a platter plan" and support single payer? It's already apparent that come hell or high water big insurance wants their gigantic profits guaranteed. And they aren't going to let any half dead citizens get in the way. It should be apparent by then that single-payer would not only make more sense from a moral standpoint, but from a fiscal standpoint as well.

[Enthusiast]

10. K&R

Single payer is the only way to get both costs and outcomes to a reasonable level. To achieve single payer we first have to remove the influence of corporate money from elections. Secondly we have to take measures to return the media to a higher level of fairness.

So, I suggest we work on election reform and the media.

[TheKentuckian]

13. Working on it requires the gumption to say if you don't support real reform then no votes

Nobody but nobody is serious about public financing and cleaning up the machines and until we make them then we'll hear whistlin Dixie at best and generally silence as we gnash our teeth.

[Enthusiast]

17. It is very discouraging. nt

[DiverDave]

11. Kicked and rec'ed

eom

[Little Star]

12. NGU!!!!!!!!!!

[Pooka Fey]

14. K&R

[KG]

15. gee, why all the fuss? don't you know the democrats are going to 'fix' HCR, um, soon?

any day now, i'm sure! :eyes:

[Ron Green]

16. I'm kicking this for today because it's good to talk about something other than

...umm, you know.

[BarryMeNot]

18. Yeah!

Hope it comes to our town soon.

[slipslidingaway]

19. knr nt

[Cleita]

20. I still keep my bumper sticker for Medicare for All

on my car. It's the same as the one on my signature.

[defendandprotect]

21. Thank you for the website and reminders re activism ....

California - and Sheila Kuehl, as I recall -- have kept this issue alive --

and I'll try to find out what's happening here in NJ --

[defendandprotect]

22. One thing I noticed immediately is that "Progressive Democrats for America" ....

is recognized as a "Single Payer Force" along with others . . .

but don't see Howard Dean's group there -- "Democracy for America" -- ???

I'll send DFA an e-mail ... cause I'm quite sure that Howard Dean supported Single Payer!

[Starry Messenger]

23. k & r

[defendandprotect]

24. K&R --

[pgodbold]

25. kr

[Iwillnevergiveup]

26. Yup, Burbank 10/1/10

I'll be there!

K&R

[leftstreet]

27. K&R

[maryf]

28. Medicare for all!!!

K&R

[rhett o rick]

29. How do the centrists feel about this issue? Rec 95. nm

[Fumesucker]

31. K&R for #100

[John Q. Citizen]

32. I'm for single payer. Why not the best?

[ZombieHorde]

33. Why the fuck do you hate America!!!1111!!!!

(just kidding)

[customerserviceguy]

34. Frankly, the only chance we have of single payer

is in 2013, when we get a Democratic Congress back in there to do it right. By then, the Repugs will have gotten this year's HCR repealed, by attaching it to a defense spending bill that President Obama won't veto.

Makes a nice clean slate for us to work on then.

[skepticscott]

35. It's not dead, but

can we PLEASE start calling this what is? It was not Health Care Reform, it was Health Insurance Reform. And this is Single Payer Health Insurance. Letting the other side define terms in the debate is the first step towards losing.

[burnsei sensei]

36. This issue is not going away.

Continue to keep track of people who die of preventable illness as a result of medical neglect and an inability to afford care.

[pleah]

37. K&R

[truedelphi]

39. You should be able to round many large groups of people

I have a few ideas on who.

[Gin]

41. watched a Bernie Sanders town hall on cspan and it's not dead

Vermont will be doing something soon on this issue.

[truedelphi]

43. I think that Vermont already ahs Single Payer Universal HC.

Or very close to it.

And Sanders is a national treasure.

[Gin]

46. he really is....but he kept saying something about Jan....and to

prepare for whackos (my word)who will try to disrupt everything...googled Vermont single payer and there is lots of info

[truedelphi]

40. Here is one man, and he looks quite engaging and influential.

I'd add him to my list

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

But make sure you don't get the version of him that was substituted for this version via alien abduction.

That guy says he never advocated for Single Payer Universal HC. While debating a gang of people running for the WH.

[RufusTFirefly]

49. Thank heavens Rahm showed him the error of his ways.

Whew! That was a close one! We almost had a humane health care system. That would've been horrible.

I have this feeling that whoever's elected president ... no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down … and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before … that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." -- Bill Hicks

[truedelphi]

57. Wish I could "power bump" ya through the screen.

And man, wasn't Hicks awesome.

[Ignis]

42. K&R

[earcandle]

45. Until we get single payer, start taking better care of yourselves.

stop eating processed foods.
stop eating cold luncheon meats.
stop drinking anything with aspartame in it.
eat a little editable bentonite clay and dump the toxic waste
in your body (drink a LOT of water to avoid constipation)
start meditating
drink a little red wine
take vitamin c (2000mg) e (400mg) calcium mag (1500 mg) and b
complex daily
order the Twelve Tissue Remedies of Dr. Schussler online and
take the cell salts your body needs to relink the molecular
chains that make dead cells wash out and new cell rebirth for
all parts of the body.
fall in love and mean it
take long walks, go to the beach, do something creative
do unto others as you would have them do to you
don't take meds or wean soon

[Gin]

47. good advice....some I was not aware of and will research them...

like the clay

[Norrin Radd]

48. kr

[supernova]

50. Wish they would branch out into other states

Would love for them to come to N.C.

[w4rma]

51. Oh, it's definitely not dead. The POS health insurance bill only fixed a few problems.

The major ones can't be fixed with the current for-profit system.

[Optimistic]

52. Need it all over the USA

Other problem with current Bill is that it is taking so long to become law, the entire thing should have become law the Moment Obama signed it

[woo me with science]

53. The misery index is rising high enough

that a candidate who offered this and other radical change now to address corporate abuses might actually have a chance of winning DESPITE media blacklisting.

It's got to happen before they take over the internet, though.

[unkachuck]

54. K&R....n/t

[Joey Kidd]

55. K&R n/t

[slipslidingaway]

56. kick nt