Family to recieve 1.5 million dollar settlement in Poling case.

[TalkingDog]

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html


Then, in July 2000, she was vaccinated against nine diseases in one doctor's visit: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and Haemophilus influenzae.

Afterward, her health declined rapidly. She developed high fevers, stopped eating, didn't respond when spoken to, began showing signs of autism, and began having screaming fits. In 2002, Hannah's parents filed an autism claim in federal vaccine court. Five years later, the government settled the case before trial and had it sealed. It's taken more than two years for both sides to agree on how much Hannah will be compensated for her injuries.


In acknowledging Hannah's injuries, the government said vaccines aggravated an unknown mitochondrial disorder Hannah had which didn't "cause" her autism, but "resulted" in it. It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder.


And I think this is the really important part:

It's unknown how many other children have similar undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder.

So in other words:
All vaccines are safe. Except for a certain number of people who will have a negative reaction to them.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Polio kills

So can measles. And whooping cough.

[TexasObserver]

2. Virtually every drug has nasty side effects for a small % of the population.

Why people want to insist vaccines are different is a mystery. Like all drugs, they affect some individuals differently than others. A drug that can save a million people might also kill 100 people for reasons that are less than clear.

The vaccine debate fails to recognize that most powerful drugs have the potential to hurt badly a small percentage of the population. The question is not IF they cause harm in a small number, but whether a particular case was caused by the drug or drugs.

Holding drug manufacturers liable spreads the cost of risk to the entire population of those who use the drugs or vaccines.

There are nearly 5000 cases pending in the federal vaccine court.

[postulater]

3. The government considers that child to be just collateral damage in the good fight.

But an "undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder"? Which mitochondrial disorder is that, I wonder?

And if we are expected to gamble our lives, there should be a screening test for the "undiagnosed mitochondrial disorder that everyone takes prior to the injections.

[msanthrope]

4. Why don't you read what the Polings themselves

have written? Or read Orac's blog on the case?

If you understood the medical facts of the case, you wouldn't ask why this is a 'undiagnosed' disorder.

Simply put, Hannah Poling is a medical outlier. Her disorder is undiagnosed because no one has seen what she has before, and what she has probably won't be repeated.

There's a reason why the parents accepted the settlement they did.

Hannah Poling isn't a symbol. She's a little girl.

[postulater]

5. "Medical outlier". Like I said "collateral damage".

[SidDithers]

6. No, medical outlier..

someone who is specially different from the hundreds of millions of other people that have been vaccinated without incident.

Sid

[msanthrope]

7. There's no requirement that you educate

yourself as to the medical facts of this case.

But it isn't very nice to attempt to use a little girl's medical issues without understanding what they are.

[postulater]

9. Nice has nothing to do with it.

I feel sorry for anyone who is damaged by injections.

Regardless of how rare her underlying medical condition is, injecting your child is still a gamble. No matter how remote the odds, when it happens to your child it is disastrous.

I'm Pro-Choice regarding injections. If you aren't, then we disagree.

And whether we call the outcome 'medical outlier' or 'collateral damage', the damage is still done.

[MajorChode]

10. Not vaccinating your child is a bigger gamble

Not only is it a bigger gamble for your own child, it's a gamble for those who have yet to be vaccinated who come into contact with your child. So if you want to talk about "collateral damage" that might be a good place to start. So if you want to keep your child locked in your house all the time, feel free to exercise all the "Pro-Choice" you want. In fact, that might not be a bad idea in your case as you could better protect them from getting hit by a truck, struck by lightening, eaten by a pack of rabid muscats, and all sorts of other irrational things.

Cheers!

[Confusious]

16. You have better odds with vaccines

Then driving a car, or flying in an airplane, or even going outside and being hit by lightning.

You can talk about might happen, but if people aren't vaccinated, bad things WILL happen.

Your choice ends at my child's life.

[postulater]

20. If vaccinations work then your child should have nothing to fear.

That's your choice.

[Confusious]

23. Like everything else, it works most of the time

but not all. We rely on "herd immunity" to stop it from effecting everyone.

Besides that, what happens if your sick ass comes around my child who is to young to get the vaccine?

Now, if you make the "choice" to not get them, and then move to the middle of alaska in the boonies somewhere, miles from anyone, I can support that.

If you want to be in society, get vaccines.

[postulater]

27. So, would wearing a star on my jacket suffice or should I also

get a number tatooed on my forearm?

And then off to an internment camp for me and all my anti-social Pro-Choice fellow citizens. We are certainly not fit to be present in your pure society.

No, of course you didn't mean that.

[Confusious]

28. No, I said you could move to the boonies

and of course, you take what I said and blow it out of proportion.

Some places are getting tired of this crap, and requiring you to have vaccines, like colleges. You can't take any classes if you don't.

Seems fair to me.

[LostinVA]

32. It is quite obvious why you are using the term "Pro Choice"

You are fooling no one.

And no, I am not calling you a troll.

[cleanhippie]

44. Wow, did you just compare getting a vaccine to being a Jew in Nazi Germany?

You have certainly gone off the deep end.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Yes he did

after all we are going to enact a final solution, really... :sarcasm:

<--------- daughter of the holocaust. At this point I am between shaking head and laughing or invoking good ol' Goodwin's law.

[LostinVA]

31. Vaccinations are a public safety issue

It is criminal to not do so, and I mean that literally. Criminal. My God, I'm, old enough, barely but still old enough, to have known people in leg braces, and hearing my parents tell stories of friends who got sick one afternoon and were dead the next. Not that long ago, the majotity of children didn't live to see their first birthday. Go walk around a graveyard whose graves span 150 years or so.

If you don't want to vaccinate, then buy an island or live in the wilderness and be self-sufficient.

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Go sell that tripe to the dad and mom

of the kid who died recently of whooping cough... a baby, too young to vaccinate. But the neighbors did not, so you can guess what happened? Is that baby collateral damage to your belief system?

[MajorChode]

8. I say tomato, you say corkscrew

[Confusious]

19. So we should let millions die because a few people

Have a problem with vaccines.

Gotcha.

[postulater]

21. Didn't say that.

I said I'm pro-choice.

[Confusious]

22. Might as well

We have to give up some rights to live in society. Public health is one of those.

Everyone has a choice, then what happens when a majority of the people don't want to do it?

People start dying. And not just the person who didn't want the vaccine, it's other people, too young or the old.

Making that decision doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone around you.

[LostinVA]

33. Quit co-opting the language of reproductive rights -- you aren't "pro choice" anything

You are selfish and willfully ignorant.

[tammywammy]

36. +1 n/t

[LostinVA]

37. It is so obvious, and so disrespectful

[postulater]

38. Here we go, into the name calling.

I didn't know there were rules about the use of the term pro-choice.

I believe people have the freedom to make decisions about their bodies, including injections, and that choice must be respected.

The Nuremberg Doctors Trial supports this freedom.

[LostinVA]

39. I didn't name call at all -- try another strawman

OOPS -- you just did! The Nuremberg Doctors Trial?!

:rofl:

[cleanhippie]

45. Wow! ANOTHER comparison to Nazi Germany. You are on a roll.

[LostinVA]

52. Getting a vaccine is comparable to Mengele's "medical" experiments

:wtf:

[cleanhippie]

53. Flabbergasted!

WTF, indeed!

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. You really are out of your depth

there is a very small percentage of the population that have genetic disorders that are extremely rare.

My sis worked for a while at a Clinical Research Center so I got to meet kids with extremely rare, in one case one in one million. diseases. They were outliers... not collateral damage.

[earth mom]

11. YIPPEE! JUSTICE IS SERVED! Time for justice for ALL the other kids hurt in the autism epidemic!!!

:woohoo:

Why did parents have to fight so hard for this?! :cry:

[Confusious]

17. Because you're fighting the wrong battle

Kinda like iraq.

Every study conducted shows no relation between vaccines and autism. Comparisons between vaccinated and vaccinated children show the exact same rates of autism. If vaccines really caused autism, unvaccinated children would have lower rates or no autism, which is not the case.

This ONE case was because of a genetic defect.

[Name removed]

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[Odin2005]

30. I am not "hurt" and I don't need people like you "advocating" for me.

In the meantime insulting my fellow autistics by implying that most of them are mentally retarded and smear feces.

[Dawson Leery]

12. The reason this kid was given every vaccine

at once was to make sure that there could not a trail leading to those vaccines that caused the damage.

[LostinVA]

34. rofl

OMFG

[Dawson Leery]

59. It's true.

The Doctors, AMA, and Pharma giants need to cover their asses.

[struggle4progress]

13. It sounds like a sad and very unusual story. A lot of these are very serious diseases:

measles, polio, and tetanus have caused many deaths; mumps is a disease we'd like to eliminate, since it can cause sterility in post-pubertal males

Nobody pushes vaccination for purely ideological reasons: it is promoted when it clear public health advantages are associated with it

The first smallpox protection was to infect people with mild smallpox cases: it usually worked but it had the definite risk of producing fatal smallpox: about 1 in 70 died from the effort to protect. Use of cowpox instead eventually eliminated the terror of smallpox worldwide, but infecting with cowpox was not entirely risk-free: in the early years, perhaps 1 in 2000 died from the effort to protect

One can sometimes guard against known diseases by various methods, like vaccination, but of course there's no way to guard against injuries where standard and justified medical prophylaxis "aggravates" some "unknown disorder." We simply try to do our best with what we currently know

[earth mom]

14. Kick for Victory! Take that naysayers!!!

:evilgrin:

[SidDithers]

15. What a strange post...

:shrug:

Sid

[Confusious]

18. So a girl who doesn't have austism, but

"autism-like" symptoms, is a victory for people who think vaccines cause autism?

I guess if you're a true believer it's a "victory", no matter how unrelated.

[LostinVA]

35. Vaccines do not cause autism

Oh brother.

[cleanhippie]

46. You obviously have no understanding of this issue at all

[LynneSin]

50. I hope you're just as smug when people report about how children are dying of PREVENTABLE diseases

:grr:

[Pavulon]

25. Did it cause the diabetes?

read the pdf file.

[Dappleganger]

26. ...

:popcorn:

[Odin2005]

29. I see the usual anti-vax wackos are out spounting their usual garbage.

This girl has a MITOCHONDRIAL DISORDER! Get that through your heads.

[TZ]

40. Of course they are because the THOUSANDS of people

who get sick and die from VACCINE PREVENTABLE DISEASES are much less important than the handful of people in THE WORLD who MIGHT have this incredibly rare disease.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Anti-vaxxers are SELFISH IDIOTS WHO WILL KILL SOMEONE with their stupidity.
They are too dumb to grasp the concept of herd immunity and how important that is for people who genuinely CAN'T be vaccinated because of health issues (like Lupus)

[LostinVA]

43. +1

[LynneSin]

49. what TZ said +1

:thumbsup:

[Odin2005]

51. They already HAVE killed people.

Several autistic kids have died from "Chelation Therapy". Chelation is only supposed to be used in cases of radiation sickness and severe heavy metal poisoning because it is a very dangerous procedure.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Let me add the two month old who died from whooping cough

in this county.

In fact, when I come back... I AM getting a jab for that!

(Yes immunity goes down over the years)

[yankeegirl1]

60. 1 in 200 carry mitchondrial DNA mutations

Hannah's mitochondrial disorder is not rare...1 in 200 carry a hidden genetic mitochiondrial defect and most people don't even know it...in addition to autism, mitochondrial dysfunction has been linked to many neurological and neuropsychiatric dieseases incl. MS, ALS, Alzheimers, bipolar disorder, diabetes, epilepsy, Parkinson.. According to mito experts, MT dysfunction is at the core of many diseases (see letter to Obama from mito experts below)

The question is....how may other Hannah's are there out there?..

here's more on the subject ....

Large Reservoir Of Mitochondrial DNA Mutations Identified In Humans

ScienceDaily (Aug. 12, 2008) — "Researchers at the University of Newcastle, England, and the Virginia Bioinformatics Institute at Virginia Tech in the United States have revealed a large reservoir of mitochondrial DNA mutations present in the general population. Clinical analysis of blood samples from almost 3,000 infants born in north Cumbria, England, showed that at least 1 in 200 individuals in the general public harbor mitochondrial DNA mutations that may lead to disease."
More...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080811200144.htm


More on the connection between mito and autism..

http://www.mitoaction.org/autism

Letter to President Barack Obama signed by over 50 Mitochondrial disease experts:

http://www.solacenutrition.com/reading-room/mitochondrial-disease/mitochondrial-research-letter.html

[scrinmaster]

41. And a few hundred people die each year from allergic reactions to penicillin.

Therefore we should stop using all antibiotics to prevent this from happening.

[Brewman_Jax]

42. What changed?

When I got my childhood vaccines years ago, it was only 1 or 2 per visit, then the next appointment, in 3-4 months for the next set until all were done. This "all at once" must be recent. :shrug:

[Maine-ah]

47. you can still have vacs done separately

all you have to do is tell the pediatrician that you don't want to vaccinate your kid all at once. Stretch them out. Unfortunately many parents don't know to do this.

[LynneSin]

48. I've never had kids before but I thought vaccines were spread out over a course of time

She received all nine of them at one time. That means her body received very small doses of live viruses all at one setting. I'm guessing no one considered that THIS could be the reason for her change in health?

[WolverineDG]

58. That's what I'm guessing

her little immune system got bombarded all at once & just couldn't keep up. I got the flu shot 2 weeks ago (doctor's orders) & was out of it for the next few days. When I was in the hospital 2 years ago, I had to get vaccinated against pneumonia & something else I can't remember; they told me I also needed the flu shot, but to wait a few weeks to give the ones they gave me time to do their job.

Getting 9 at a time is nuts, & I question the need for a chicken pox vaccination. The others, not so much. And why no small pox vaccine anymore? There are still live strains of that nasty disease in existence!

dg