Man enraged over how wife cooked his eggs shot five people dead with shotgun before killing himself

[mike r]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_kentucky_fatal_shooting

Relative: Spat began Ky. rampage that killed 6

JACKSON, Ky. – A gunman enraged over how his wife cooked his eggs in rural eastern Kentucky shot five people dead with a shotgun before killing himself, a relative of two of the victims said.

Trooper Jody Sims of the Kentucky State Police said 47-year-old Stanley Neace killed five people in two mobile homes around 11:30 Saturday morning, then went to his home and turned the gun on himself.

Sims said that when state police arrived about an hour after the gunfire began, they heard a single gunshot and found Neace's body on the porch of his home in the mobile home park outside Jackson in Breathitt County. The county is home to about 16,000 people in the rugged eastern part of the state.

Sherri Anne Robinson, a relative of two of the victims, said witnesses to the shootings told her that Neace became enraged when his wife did not cook his breakfast to his liking...

[sakabatou]

1. What was with that man to do such a thing?

[DBoon]

3. meth?

[InvisibleTouch]

31. Not at all unlikely.

I have a friend who lives not too far from there. Quite a bit of meth and crack in the region. I wouldn't have expected it in the midst of the peaceful rural countryside, but it's there.

[demosincebirth]

33. Police arrived an hour after the shooting started? WTF!

[MadMaddie]

Yea, I saw that. I wonder if the area has faced budget cuts

which leads to reducing the sheriff and police workforce?

There are consequences to these cuts all of the states are considering.

[demosincebirth]

45. Sounds like a place like Mayberry, RFD and Barney Fife.

[rainbow4321]

78. If they live out in an area like my sis in Oklahoma

Calling 911 means waiting for someone from the area sheriff dept to get out of bed, get dressed, find their way to your house.
She lives outside "city limits" so the "city police dept" does nothing. And really, she can get to the city limit within minutes in her car, but since her house is outside those limits, they would be screwed if they ever needed law enforcement at their house for a life threatening situation.

[seabeyond]

2. wow. just wow. and we will be told that today is no different than yesterday

all these events were happening in the past. that society hasnt shifted, or changed.

i am not buying it.

[LoZoccolo]

4. John Wesley Hardin

by the time the Texas Rangers caught up with him, he'd killed forty-three men, one just for snoring too loud.

[seabeyond]

6. the amount of this shit today, to the amount is the past.... is not the same. nt

[misanthrope]

75. I bet not, I think it's just more widely disseminated**nm

**

[seabeyond]

77. even with news of past, we would have heard discovery channel hostage, kraft shooting and 7 dead

cause of eggs in one week

[spinbaby]

80. It was probably worse in the past

If you want an eye opener, read Wisconsin Death Trip.

[Boojatta]

5. The gunman would be the first to say that things have changed.

For example, the way his eggs were cooked used to be much better.

[divideandconquer]

8. American men have been brainwashed by the gun lobby to think killing is a right

It's great terrorism, perfect disaster crapitalism. Create a problem by making sure the worst people are armed as heavily as possible, so everyone else has be armed, guarded or voting for a police state.

I bet a lot of women will be paying much more attention to how they cook the eggs for their gunner husbands. Wonder how Kleck and Lott/Rosh measure that as gun use?

[seabeyond]

10. meh... hubby cooks them himself. he likes his better, than he likes mine. nt

[joshcryer]

64. Haha, I'm the same way, only I can cook my own eggs.

I dunno why, but if it's not done just how I do it, it's so frustrating. My mom would say "your stomach doesn't know the difference!" But yeah. :)

[seabeyond]

76. for whatever reason

the "your stomach doesn't know the difference!", made me laugh. i mean, no, stomach may not, but taste buds do. lol. gotta love moms.

[enough]

11. + (nt)

[Mojorabbit]

39. I cook the eggs for hubby

but I normally don't have my pistol on me when I am doing it. LOL

[Maru Kitteh]

43. It's never about the eggs, and an abuser can find *something,* anything, anytime.

The variety of offenses that "earned" me a punch in the head or thrown against a wall were novel and consistently unforeseeable.

[joshcryer]

62. Exactly, the guy was getting evicted for a reason, he had an abusive personality.

I mean, what really does it take to be evicted from a trailer park? Not to perpetuate the trailer park stereotype, but it had to have esclated quite high for an eviction to be done.

[stray cat]

21. Spousal abuse and mass murders have been around for years -we even call it going postal

[X_Digger]

53. Media coverage has changed..

People don't remember the days that something didn't happen. All crimes seem cumulative. Additional problems with recall like 'telescoping' (when we think something happened more recently than it actually did) make one feel like there are more crimes than an objective analysis shows.

2008 had less crime than 2007, which had less crime than 2006.. (Overall lower since the early 90's). The FBI will publish the 2009 numbers at the end of this month or the first of the next. The preliminary report showed another drop in the first half of 2009.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm

[joshcryer]

61. Murders are down, reporting is up.

Do you think this headline would've gotten hits (ie, advertising revenue) if it said "man in the process of eviction kills family, and three neighbors"? Likewise, if the egg story (only related by one witness in the article) wasn't even reported, would DU really be frowning on this guy or would everyone be feeling sorry for him because he was getting evicted*?

*ignoring the usual gun debates.

[Jamastiene]

7. I like my eggs sunny side up, but

I'm not going to go on a shooting rampage because the yellows might harden up or something. :wow:

That's just fucked up.

[jberryhill]

58. It depends

If the yolks are hard and there's not enough butter on the toast, then that's a real problem.

[Jamastiene]

82. Well, to be honest, if they tried giving me anything but my

morning dose of Dr Pepper (such as juice* or some other thing I can't handle first thing in the morning), I'd probably lose it pretty bad. I'll admit that openly.


*orange juice with vodka might be different. I might accept that as a substitute for Dr Pepper first thing in the morning. :P

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. Maybe she should have served him oatmeal

Sounds like he needs more fiber.

[TreasonousBastard]

12. This is why we need MORE guns-- if everyone...

had been able to protect themselves none of this would have happened.

(More to the point is that his guy seemed to have had bigger issues than breakfast.)

[DireStrike]

13. Haha, yes, every husband and wife should keep their own gun cabinet

That would reduce the divorce rate, technically. The murder rate, I'm not so sure about.

[704wipes]

14. but if we outlawed runny eggs

nt

[truedelphi]

42. Like I always say,

"Men - can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em."

But once the gun cabinet is installed, the last half of that statement is no longer operative.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. Everyone should bring a gun to the breakfast table.

You never know when someone will fuck up the eggs.:rofl:

[marmar]

18. Scrambled medium.....OR ELSE MOTHERF**CKER.

[madinmaryland]

15. Where are the gungeonites?

Apparently trying to cook their eggs on their guns!

[rrneck]

17. Police say Neace has an extensive criminal history.

http://www.lex18.com/news/breathitt-county-gunman-identified

[Viva_La_Revolution]

49. and they have updates

http://www.lex18.com/news/victims-named-in-breathitt-county-shooting-rampage/

Robinson said that when his wife fled to a neighbor's trailer, Neace followed and shot his wife, his stepdaughter and three witnesses. Robinson says he allowed a young girl to flee to a neighbor's home.

"He just got mad at his wife for not making his breakfast right and he shot her," said Robinson, who answered at a phone listing for Neace. "She tried to run to tell my family and he shot them too because they found out about it."


more at link.


:(

[Freetradesucks]

19. I would say that his socio-economic conditions played a

huge part in this.

What were his living conditions? Debt? Employment? Diet? All of these things play a role in peoples behavior. The last thing that we need is another person in the corporate prison system.

[stray cat]

20. The economy made him do it? Does the same go for molesters, rapists and abusers?

People are responsible for their actions

[Boojatta]

23. "Diet? All of these things play a role in peoples behavior."

Apparently, the eggs in his diet played a big role in his behavior.

[CBR]

28. That is stupid as hell. nt

[rrneck]

32. Here's an interesting book...

http://www.amazon.com/Going-Postal-Rebellion-Workplaces-Columbine/dp/1932360824/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284254611&sr=8-4
An eye-opening look at the phenomenon of school and workplace shootings in America, Going Postal explores the rage-murder phenomenon that has plagued — and baffled — America for the last three decades, and offers some provocative answers to the oft-asked question, "Why?" By juxtaposing the historical place of rage in America with the social climate that has existed since the 1980s — when Reaganomics began to widen the gap between executive and average-worker earnings — the author crafts a convincing argument that these schoolyard and office massacres can be seen as modern-day slave rebellions. He presents many fascinating and unexpected cases in detail. Like slave rebellions, these massacres are doomed, gory, sometimes even inadvertently comic, and grossly misunderstood. Taking up where Bowling for Columbine left off, this book seeks to set these murders in their proper context and thereby reveal their meaning.

In this guy's case I'm reluctant to lay the entire blame on "the system" much as I hate it. While no doubt he got more than his fair share of bad breaks in his life, the real pity is that "the system" didn't have him locked up a long time ago. In all probability, he spent about half his life being warehoused instead of rehabilitated.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

34. Yeah. let him walk

Hopefully no one burns his toast next time.....

[MadMaddie]

40. There are humans that are broken and will never be fixed.

They will murder and maim with no rhyme or reason. This guy may have served his time but like many will always pose a danger to the general public.

[Synicus Maximus]

48. Not any more. he shot himself.

[MadMaddie]

83. Yea, that is true!

[tblue37]

44. A lot of people deal with economic pressure without flying into a rage over

something minor and killing innocent people. Poverty is no excuse for such behavior.

[msanthrope]

57. This might be the dumbest post ever in the history of DU. n/t

[Stevenmarc]

72. Obviously you missed the Birth Rape post

[spinbaby]

81. That's part of it

Also probably mental illness with a dearth of treatment opportunities, drugs, and, of course, ready access to guns.

[stray cat]

22. Poor murdering spousal abuser? A victim of society who couldn't help himself

Give me a break!

[Xithras]

24. He didn't kill them over eggs

This guy was ready to go anyway. The eggs were just the snowflake that set off the avalanche.

My guess is that this guy had some serious mental issues long before he sat down to breakfast.

[NashVegas]

26. Should Be Obvious

But it makes a better headline this way.

[Skittles]

38. thank you

I DETEST these simplistic explanations - no, the eggs was the LAST thing that enraged him - something else was long simmering underneath

[Boojatta]

47. "something else was long simmering"

Perhaps the previous evening's dinner was over-cooked?

[Skittles]

54. SCHEDULING BOOJATTA FOR ASS KICKING

EGREGIONS

[Boojatta]

55. It was entrapment. You deliberately used a culinary metaphor.

[Maru Kitteh]

25. I can guarantee you, it wasn't about the eggs. n/t

[struggle4progress]

27. This might be a good time for the Cooking/Baking forum folk to post some favorite egg recipes

I don't think my egg dishes have ever had such an effect -- but maybe one can't be too careful

[Fumesucker]

29. Lilliput and Blefuscu fought a protracted war over which end to open a boiled egg..

So this is hardly a new thing in the world..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilliput_and_Blefuscu

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. That Sims I am, that Sims I am.

[Brickbat]

35. I fucking hate it when this is how they write the headlines.

[joshcryer]

66. How else do you think they get ad revenue?

No one will give a squat if the title was "Man in process of eviction for abusive behavior kills 5."

[jgraz]

36. Wow. Glenn Beck did a show on eggs?

Who knew? :shrug:

[JVS]

37. Did anyone else think of "You mean I'm not" by Black Sheep upon reading that?

[mitchum]

41. That sounds like an incident straight out of "Wisconsin Death Trip"

[Zephie]

46. I think the most disturbing part is that his neighbor smiled when he shot himself

I mean, yeh obviously he was a very bad messed up person, but the wording just makes it seem even more horrific.

[X_Digger]

50. Hrmm, spousal abuser with long criminal history shoots people..

Let's take guns away from non-spousal abusers with no criminal history!

[depakid]

52. Bottom line: without such easy access to firearms, this likely wouldn't have happened

Tick toc til the next mass shooting.

[X_Digger]

56. Any number of things could have changed the outcome.

1. He could still be in jail on previous charges.
2. Wife could have levied abuse charges against him.
3. Competent mental health system could have treated his anger issues.
4. Competent public health system could have treated his drug addiction (speculation based on above comments.)

But hey, while your whining about the means that bad / mentally ill people use to harm others, rather than the causes, when are you going to ban knives?

Man charged over Northbridge stabbing death
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/police-probe-stabbing-death-of-man-in-northbridge/story-e6frg13u-1225905679471

POLICE have charged a 24-year-old man from Stratton over the stabbing death of a 23-year-old man in Northbridge last night.

It is alleged the two men were involved in an argument in a laneway between Aberdeen and Newcastle streets about 9.30pm.

Grinning teen jailed for stabbing boyfriend
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/grinning-teen-jailed-for-stabbing-boyfriend/story-e6freuy9-1225910859597

A TEEN who stabbed her boyfriend in the heart and lungs grinned after being jailed for 5 1/2 years.

Kasey Neville, 18, also pleaded guilty to armed robberies, one just two days before the stabbing.

Once-gentle heart of Australia is stabbing capital of the world
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2237703.ece

Last month the town of 60,000 was named the stabbing capital of the world. It also claims the highest murder rate and highest consumption of alcohol in Australia.

[proteus_lives]

67. What dk really means:

"Without such easy access to their rights, this likely wouldn't have happened."

At least have the guts to say it.

[DBoon]

70. If you believe that the 2nd amendment protects a fundamental freedom

then you need to accept incidents like this as the cost of that freedom.

If you accept the first amendment as a protection of freedom of speech, then if the speech involves burning religions texts, you support that freedom

If other rights protect those accused of a crime, you accept that sometimes the guilty will get away free.

[Boojatta]

74. What if he hadn't owned a gun, but had used a gun under the terms of an End User License Agreement?

If he violated a term of the EULA, then the owner could have repossessed the gun. Of course, EULAs are usually used for dangerous things such as software, but they could be used for safe things such as guns.

[depakid]

79. I don't accept your bogus framing or simplistic thinking, that's for sure

Nor should any other rational human being.

[mike r]

51. AP update now says 'eviction over his hostile temper':

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_kentucky_fatal_shooting

JACKSON, Ky. – A man facing eviction over his hostile temper became enraged by how his wife cooked his eggs and killed her, his stepdaughter and three neighbors with a shotgun before shooting himself on Saturday....

Landlord Ray Rastegar said Neace received monthly disability checks from the Social Security Administration, though he didn't know what his disability was. Rastegar said he had begun the process of evicting Nease, who had lived in the trailer park for about seven years, because he had become increasingly hostile toward neighbors in recent months. "He was unpredictable," Rastergar said. "Little things would set him off."

Neighbor Steve Smith saw the rampage from the window of his mobile home. When he walked outside, Smith said Neace took a shot at him but missed. "He chased his wife around that Jeep shooting at her," Smith said, pointing to a shotup SUV parked outside his mobile home. "I heard her screaming and running."

Smith said Neace ended up mumbling to himself on the porch of his trailer, pointed the shotgun at his head and pulled the trigger. "I have to admit, a little grin came across my face when I saw his brains go flying," Smith said. "He's been trouble ever since he's been here. He's always been trouble."

[depakid]

59. ...a little grin came across my face when I saw his brains go flying,"

[joshcryer]

60. "I have to admit, a little grin came across my face when I saw his brains go flying."

That gave me a little grin, too. Shame he didn't do this before taking the lives of 5 other people.

[depakid]

63. Gave you a little grin too, did it?

I submit that the picture above may apply to more than the neighbor who made the statement.

[joshcryer]

65. The guys wife was being shot at, running for her life.

If you couldn't understand the relief that guy had and appreciate why he might "grin" because someone unquestionably evil killed themselves, then it's clear to me that you have interpersonal issues that this thread may not be appropriate for.

[starroute]

68. What -- nobody's mentioned Rand Paul yet?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/rand-pauls-drugs-problem.html

August 25, 2010

Kentucky Senate nominee Rand Paul (R) has run into problems in recent days over comments regarding drug use in the Bluegrass State, an issue that Democrats are using to cast the GOP candidate as out-of-touch.

Methamphetamine, marijuana and prescription drug abuse have become an epidemic in rural parts of the state -- particularly in eastern Kentucky. A recent poll showed 60 percent of the eastern 5th congressional district rated drugs as the biggest non-economic issue in their area, and the number was around 25 percent in other rural areas.

So when Paul appeared to dismiss drug abuse in eastern Kentucky as "not a pressing issue," heads turned -- and Republican strategists grimaced.

[DBoon]

71. I already metioned meth

meth and Rand Paul go hand-in-hand

[MrSlayer]

69. Can you really blame the guy?

Hell, that's provocation above and beyond what anyone should have to accept.

[Stevenmarc]

73. OK having an Edith Massey moment