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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:47 AM Original message |
D.C.’s Education Miracle a Chimera |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. DC schools have been inadequate (modest statement) for MANY years, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 12:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Bergfalk has taught in the district for 7 yrs, and was a finalist for DC Teacher of the Year in 2010 |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Didn't say 'trump.' A different point of view. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. his "different point of view" is: |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Well, if the "stick" was "attracting affluent white families", it's working |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. "affluent white families" opt for private or parochial, as elleng does. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. It depends on the neighborhood |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. most urban areas are losing poor black populations; they're being pushed to the suburbs through |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Like it or not, NO measuring sticks can do the job. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Have you read up on the facts that led to that new contract? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. The WTU is as dysfunctional as the rest of the city |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Sounds like a major mess |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:11 PM Original message |
Though I don't want to paint too bleak a picture |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
35. which is how you can tell "reform" is a sham. the goal of reform isn't to help students |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. "We pretend to educate and they pretend to reform us" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. key words: "seemed to be" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
39. Reminds me of welfare reform back in the late 90s |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. good analogy. plus the same glorious "success" stories until reality kicked in. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I ran a computer repair/network tech class after school for a while |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. This is just one example of the 'problems' we are facing in education |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I also bristled at the idea that this was "merely" vocational |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. To add to my earlier comment: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. yes, major sellout. rhee's own measuring sticks show no improvement, just a |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. You're applauding a woman who laughed about taping kids' mouths shut, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is not difficult to understand. It's fraud. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. You want data? Here's some data: |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. LOL we had to watch that video for PD a couple years ago |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. this recent thread shows how data |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. In fairness that would depend upon if the make up of the school kids |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. From the OP: |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. It is an invalid comparision but to me fraud suggests something more |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I call it fraud due to the way the test scores are being promoted as proof of improvement |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. The "fraud" is in some equivocation about what numbers mean |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. The hipsters who moved to DC in the 2000s had kids |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. This is a tough one |
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elleng (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. In DC, the 'urban' has more than one 'core,' I'd say, |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. My neighborhood ended up being called "Gentrifia Heights" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. It's a sad situation |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. 2000-2007 white up 6%, black down 5%, hispanic up 3%. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. Chimera? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. It can also mean an illusion. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I know; just a former classics major's pet peeve, like misusing "Cassandra" NT |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&Rnt |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. Recommend |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
45. k & r |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
46. Hey, let's put some scare quotes around "miracle" ! |
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